base talk Most Streamed Millennial Pop Girl Hits. Surprised?

[Eternium]

18 minutes ago, cowboy tyrant said:

Very good for a throwback. 

People are choosing classics over the disposable hits released today. Maybe be mad at the consumers? Idk.

15 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Girl I'm a millennial and those artists were smashing when I was 3 and were all over by the time I had enough age to enjoy music

If you're the youngest possible millennial, they were smashing from the time you were two until you were 15. Their discographies have remained more relevant than a significant number of popular acts that came after them.

7 minutes ago, HardBambi said:

Beyonce has a stronger discography I think any critics would agree with that (Lemonade, Renaissance, Britney don't have that)

Critics aren't a reliable source for anything. It's 2024, sis - you either pay for reviews with money or appearances or the critics just do engagement farming. 
 

Unless you're in gaming or an Amazon comment section with over 5,000 customer reviews, reviews mean almost nothing in 2024.

2 minutes ago, Anticipating said:

Screaming at Xtina having that much playlist reach with those tragic streams  You'd think she would be lower than Avril or J Lo.

I think it's from her new EP with Sabrina Carpenter. I'm shocked that none of those songs are here  

[Hector]

25 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Girl I'm a millennial and those artists were smashing when I was 3 and were all over by the time I had enough age to enjoy music

You're not a Millennial then,  you're Gen Z.

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, Hector said:

You're not a Millennial then,  you're Gen Z.

I'm very much a millennial from 1995, we need to include the rest of the millennial artists here too, such as Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor. 

[Glamthony]

Oh Britney and Shakira, the legends that you both are 

[swissman]

15 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Britney

 

Beyonce needs to do something with her streaming, I think that all those years not being on spotify with her newer albums really set her behind

 

She's arguably the biggest legend in the list and her streaming stats is way lower for her status if Im honest

I don't think any of this actually matters as it pertains to legend status though.

[BGood2Me]

Oops is also the #1 female pop song from the 2000 year on Spotify 

 

2000 - Spotify:

Coldplay - Yellow - 2,592 B

Eminem - The Real Slim Shady - 1,960 B

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication - 1,531 B

Papa Roach - Last Resort - 1,224 B

Eminem / Dido - Stan - 1,199 B

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Otherside - 1,084 B

Shaggy - It wasn't me - 1,082 B

Dr. Dre / Snoop Dogg - The Next Episode - 1,078 B

3 Doors Down - Kryptonite - 1,006 B

Toploader - Dancing In The Moonlight - 964M

Bon Jovi - It's My Life - 947M

Dr. Dre / Eminem - Forgot About DRE - 874 B

Britney Spears - Oops I Did It Again - 862M

N'sync - Bye Bye Bye - 848M

Linkin Park - One Step Closer - 805M

Disturbed - Down With The Sickness - 804M

Limp Bizkit - Break Stuff - 740 B

Weathus - Teenage Dirtbag - 702 B

Incubus - Drive - 657M

Daft Punk - One More Time - 648M

 

Thanks to Mr. Leonix from UkMIx forum for this list

[Anticipating]

2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

I'm very much a millennial from 1995, we need to include the rest of the millennial artists here too, such as Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor. 

You were born in 1995 yet those artists were "over" by the time you were old enough to enjoy music? The math is not mathing 

[Badgalbriel]

Just now, Anticipating said:

You were born in 1995 yet those artists were "over" by the time you were old enough to enjoy music? The math is not mathing 

Yeah, by 2010-11 they were pretty much irrelevant, except for Beyonce. 

[Eternium]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

I'm very much a millennial from 1995, we need to include the rest of the millennial artists here too, such as Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor. 

They're not the same generation of popstars. The oldest millennials were 24 by the time Rihanna kicked off that generation. 
 

It wouldn't make sense to compare the streams of an artist who debuted in 2008 like Gaga to an artist who debuted in 1999 like Christina.

[swissman]

17 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Critics aren't a reliable source for anything. It's 2024, sis - you either pay for reviews with money or appearances or the critics just do engagement farming. 
Unless you're in gaming or an Amazon comment section with over 5,000 customer reviews, reviews mean almost nothing in 2024.

Whether one likes Beyoncé's music or not, you can't really refute what the critics are saying about her music: that it's rich, thoughtful, layered, surprising, well-crafted, etc. etc. etc. This idea that she buys reviews is silly considering her albums are pretty clearly great works that beget great reviews. Even with the optimism of the era (partially launched by the BEYONCÉ album in 2013, imo), I highly doubt her debut album would be as positively reviewed today as it was then...perhaps a bit better, but she's clearly come a long way artistically and in making albums. The critics have noted. Simple as that.

 

 

Edited November 3 by swissman

[Eternium]

1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said:

Yeah, by 2010-11 they were pretty much irrelevant, except for Beyonce. 

Moves Like Jagger, Scream & Shout, Say Something, Femme Fatale, On the Floor, Goodbye Lullabye, etc. exist. 

[Anticipating]

3 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Yeah, by 2010-11 they were pretty much irrelevant, except for Beyonce. 

The same 2010-11 in which Britney got three Top 3 hits and a #1 album?

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Even Criminal was a smash hit there. Be serious.

[ericcartman]

35 minutes ago, Trent W said:

 

Shakira having multiple 1 billion songs 

[swissman]

Is the idea here (expressed by several people in the thread) that popularity means something more than popularity?

 

 

Can we accurately apply this theory to every artist: that a certain number of streams means a song or discography is better or more iconic than another? Because I don't think people stream music with that sense of purpose. A song/album is streamed because a person chose to listen to it in the specific moment. If many people are doing the same at the same time, then a work is deemed more popular than anoother, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily more iconic or "better".

For example, is Moves Like Jagger really Christina Aguilera's best and most iconic song? Nearly double as iconic as Genie in a Bottle? Are Feel This Moment and Say Something better songs than the rest of her discography? Of course everyone has their own subjective opinion, and perhaps someone who came of age during the peak of Moves Like Jagger might feel it is her best/most iconic, but then we are asking superlative statements to be based on a (relatively) small subset of streamers. Many (like myself) may think songs like Beautiful and Dirrty are both better and more iconic, despite the fact that I have streamed neither recently nor perhaps even within the last year. And that's because a stream isn't a vote for quality or iconic-status. It's just a stream: what someone decided to listen to at any given moment.

 

There are tons of artists I adore, appreciate, and think are legendary with stunning discographies and impactful careers but I don't listen to them on a daily, weekly or even monthly basis. If I'm having a Lindsay Lohan moment over the course of a month and listen to her with not listening to Madonna at all, does that mean I think Lindsay's music is better and more iconic? I think in general we put too much focus on streaming numbers and forget what a stream actually means, as well as the fact that not everyone is using Spotify, and that the majority of those that do are from a limited age bracket. It doesn't speak for everyone, and even if it did, it doesn't' necessarily mean what a lot of people want it to.

[Trent W]

47 minutes ago, swissman said:

I don't think any of this actually matters as it pertains to legend status though.

No it definitely doesn't affect her legendary status

 

But her discography deserves more streams

[Ivan_brit]

Britney the Legend that you are

 

 

Spotify clearly hates Avril  despite that decent streams 

[itshyolee]

1 hour ago, Trent W said:

Beyonce needs to do something with her streaming, I think that all those years not being on spotify with her newer albums really set her behind

Oh definitely. She really thought TIDAL was gonna be that girl

 

Lemonade could've been the album to help her smoothly transition into the streaming world, but Mrs. Carter waited 3 years to put the album onto other streaming services. 
 

The self sabotage…

[Trent W]

38 minutes ago, itshyolee said:

Oh definitely. She really thought TIDAL was gonna be that girl

 

Lemonade could've been the album to help her smoothly transition into the streaming world, but Mrs. Carter waited 3 years to put the album onto other streaming services. 
 

The self sabotage…

She also left ST one year outside of spotify(the beginning of streaming era)

 

Put EIL under The Carters

 

Lemonade 3 years off

 

The Gift was basically her first proper release, a secondary soundtrack 

 

She made everything under the sun to sabotage her streaming

 

Is actually a miracle that is decent now

[SoundsandSongs]

27 minutes ago, Trent W said:

She also left ST one year outside of spotify(the beginning of streaming era)

 

Put EIL under The Carters

 

Lemonade 3 years off

 

The Gift was basically her first proper release, a secondary soundtrack 

 

She made everything under the sun to sabotage her streaming

 

Is actually a miracle that is decent now

Honestly it's tragic because pre-Lemonade Beyonce was top 3 most streamed females in 2014-2015 on spotify and 4 at one point was the 3rd most streamed female album on Spotify with self titled also top 10.

 

Her streams stayed stagnant while everyone else increased. A good example of that is Halo, which was the first female pre-2000s song to reach 1 billion but has since fallen behind songs like Hips Lie.

 

[Jay07]

2 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Yeah, by 2010-11 they were pretty much irrelevant, except for Beyonce. 

You had to become 16 years old to be able to appreciate music? Wow that's a late bloomer. 

[Baegalme]

2 hours ago, swissman said:

Whether one likes Beyoncé's music or not, you can't really refute what the critics are saying about her music: that it's rich, thoughtful, layered, surprising, well-crafted, etc. etc. etc. This idea that she buys reviews is silly considering her albums are pretty clearly great works that beget great reviews. Even with the optimism of the era (partially launched by the BEYONCÉ album in 2013, imo), I highly doubt her debut album would be as positively reviewed today as it was then...perhaps a bit better, but she's clearly come a long way artistically and in making albums. The critics have noted. Simple as that.

 

 

I mean that's irrelevant considering she needs 50 songwriters it doesn't say nothing about HER artistry 

[Baegalme]

Britney tho  a queen 

[leyaris11]

3 hours ago, Eternium said:

 

Christina Aguilera (last studio album 2022):
#1. Moves Like Jagger (w/ Maroon 5) — 994,390
#2. Genie in a Bottle — 571,201
#3. Feel This Moment (w/Pitbull) — 459,429
#4. Say Something (w/A Great Big World) — 230,746
#5. Lady Marmalade (w/P!nk, Mya, Lil Kim) — 198,698

Surprised?

When all other pop girls counting streams as a solo songs only, it's not fair when all the Xtina song as featuring.  

 

And from the last report I checked, Xtina's Spanish smash hit "Pa Mis Muchachas" almost reaching 15k streams. 

 

 

[Baegalme]

15 minutes ago, SoundsandSongs said:

Honestly it's tragic because pre-Lemonade Beyonce was top 3 most streamed females in 2014-2015 on spotify and 4 at one point was the 3rd most streamed female album on Spotify with self titled also top 10.

 

Her streams stayed stagnant while everyone else increased. A good example of that is Halo, which was the first female pre-2000s song to reach 1 billion but has since fallen behind songs like Hips Lie.

 

Truth is this generation just doesn't listen to her music it's as simple as that, her "sabotaging" herself probably added to it but still 

[trainsskyscrapers]

4 hours ago, Eternium said:

Beyoncé (last studio album 2024):
#1. Crazy in Love (w/JAY-Z) — 1,093,911
#2. Diva — 780,162
#3. Halo — 700,087
#4. Texas Hold Em — 575,721
#5. Telephone (w/Lady Gaga) — 552,650

 

Impressive. You'd think with numbers like this her album sales / first-week numbers would suffer over the long run, but it seems to me that Apple Music / Deezer / Tidal are her streaming platforms, no? The ones with paid subscriptions. When you follow the money, advertisements, and exclusive deals, B has been an Apple girl since they permitted her album to take over the entire iTunes carousel in 2013 with her surprise album, she consistently tops Amazon / Deezer / Pandora Radio, and has been a Tidal girl since Jay-Z took over.

 

With Spotify per-stream payouts the way they are, I get the feeling she begrudgingly sends her music to Spotify and calls it a day. I probably would too.

These @Eternium threads only communicate to me that some of the girls from the time period play ball with Spotify (and their aforementioned bargain-basement payouts) because they don't push physical albums or chart singles anymore (the actual, non-touring focus of releasing music). The proof is in the pudding: No one else on this list but Beyonce can translate their streams to over 150-200K album sales in our modern climate, and she's never dropped beneath 300K since 2003.