Communion Posted October 25 Posted October 25 1 hour ago, 45seconds said: Well. She's trying to win the election. Any answer can be used in an attack ad. They likely polled it and it probably isn't very popular in swing states. That's just the truth of it. Actual polling suggests otherwise! 3
whiteferrari Posted October 25 Posted October 25 I have a bad feeling about this election it gets worse on the daily for her 1
Suilen Posted October 25 Posted October 25 12 minutes ago, Hex said: Did we all watch the same video? She said she's not gonna put herself in the position of a doctor... is that not fair? And some doctors in the red states where conversion therapy isn't banned may consider it the appropriate treatment. Yes, it's clear that she's alluding to the medical consensus that HRT, socialization, SRS etc are the proper care, but with gender-affirming care already being banned for teens in those states and poised to be banned for adults, that consensus doesn't mean anything. Certainly, she can't promise anything to the trans people from those states as some things are beyond her power, but she could've offered them some reassurance by stating she personally supports trans healthcare.
Harrier Posted October 25 Posted October 25 8 minutes ago, Communion said: Actual polling suggests otherwise! Not on the specific issue of gender affirming healthcare it doesn't, look at the article I posted. -23 on insurance companies providing gender affirming surgeries, -24 on gender affirming care for minors, -35 on puberty blockers specifically Also messy **** like +15 on enshrining a law that defines gender as your sex at birth and even +7 on banning discussion of trans people in school People won't respond to a poll saying 'yes we should discriminate against trans people' but when you break down most of the actual issues it gets horrible 3
45seconds Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Harrier said: Not on the specific issue of gender affirming healthcare it doesn't, look at the article I posted. -23 on insurance companies providing gender affirming surgeries, -24 on gender affirming care for minors, -35 on puberty blockers specifically Also messy **** like +15 on enshrining a law that defines gender as your sex at birth and even +7 on banning discussion of trans people in school People won't respond to a poll saying 'yes we should discriminate against trans people' but when you break down most of the actual issues it gets horrible They want to grandstand forgetting that America is a center right country on social policies and are upset that she may be trying to not provoke an ad attack extravaganza in the Midwest. Edited October 25 by 45seconds
Hex Posted October 25 Posted October 25 Voting for Jill Stein is a privileged, self-interested thing to do that throws LGBT, people of color and Palestinians under the bus If your wasted votes mean these groups suffer even harder under Trump's would-be assault on these groups, then it is YOUR burden to bear. 2 2 7
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 25 ATRL Moderator Posted October 25 7 minutes ago, Harrier said: Not on the specific issue of gender affirming healthcare it doesn't, look at the article I posted. -23 on insurance companies providing gender affirming surgeries, -24 on gender affirming care for minors, -35 on puberty blockers specifically Also messy **** like +15 on enshrining a law that defines gender as your sex at birth and even +7 on banning discussion of trans people in school People won't respond to a poll saying 'yes we should discriminate against trans people' but when you break down most of the actual issues it gets horrible Again, Andy Beshear won without ceding ground on these issues. She could have stood to simply say, "I believe in trans rights." Trans issues have literally been polled as being the least important issue for voters in recent data. The idea that Kamala needs to fold and dodge even mentioning trans people is baseless posturing. Nobody cares. One of the big takeaways from 2022 was that the anti-trans ads didn't help Republicans in 2022. Also, one more thing, the reaction to the polling on puberty blockers is exactly why I'm tired of the silence of Kamala and the Democrats. Puberty blockers were created for cisgender children who got puberty too early (i.e., precocious puberty) which can lead to critical developmental problems and is, in rare cases, death. Saying, "Oh, well puberty blockers are unpopular so we should fold to win" is ridiculous. Lean in and argue for medical liberty. This type of cowardice is exactly what led to the overturning of Roe v. Wade—where Democrats were growing to become scared of being pro-abortion before the Dobbs decision. This is loop of cowardice to fight for a moral right is why leftists take issue with liberals. This cowardice is a losing strategy and we have so much recent history showing it. 3
bad guy Posted October 25 Posted October 25 5 hours ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said: And once again, liberals who see anyone from the left who criticizes any democratic politicians as "Trump supporters" or "closeted republicans". Aren't you guys not tired?! seriously?! They're in a cult too but they're not ready for that conversation 8
State of Grace. Posted October 25 Posted October 25 Awful answer from an absolutely awful lady. Chappell was right Not surprised to see the Blue MAGA here losing it as usual and accusing people criticizing her of being Trumpsters when they have more in common with them BRAIN ROT! 1
no_better Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) 5 hours ago, cuteboyzay said: Thank you so much for seeing where I'm coming from it really means a lot. I feel Kamala's intentions are for what the general consensus wants and what they've BEEN wanting. And that includes gender-affirming care. Her statements and her constant emphasis throughout this campaign of being there for the general public/minorities and not for the "tax-cuts for CEO's of North America", in my opinion is just proof of what she wants. But givin this is literally her first time running for President as a black/asian woman, it's gonna be wanky. But Chile, this is 100x better than what HILLARY was serving lmao! I just fear that the disassociation of Gen-Z and our hyper-awareness is what's gonna stab us in the back of what is truly the better decision at the end of the day. I feel we fail to see the potential in our candidates if they're not promising/delivering everything to us right at that moment. That's alright love, I try at the very least to understand. I will say that Kamala's decision to appear as neutral as possible while still positioning herself as a more humanitarian alternative to Trump might be infuriating to some of us left-leaning people but at the end of the day we are politically conscious enough to still vote for her (well not me, I'm an EU citizen living in the UK but whatever). Marxist-Leninists on Twitter would never vote for her anyway so there is no point in her trying to win their votes when she can maybe somehow manage to have a sway over liberals that are closer to the centre. Most Trump voters would never vote for a black woman anyway. So the way she is handling this should not necessarily come as that much of a surprise but I will say that it does make me angry. Chappell and Ethel were right haha Edited October 25 by no_better
bad guy Posted October 25 Posted October 25 1 hour ago, leonbotstein said: Are you seriously trying to pressure Harris from the left two weeks before a possible fascist takeover that would turn the US into the equivalent of a Central American dictatorship? No—nothing about this post is serious. Yeah, nothing about this post is serious. 2
Marianah Adkins Posted October 25 Posted October 25 27 minutes ago, 45seconds said: They want to grandstand forgetting that America is a center right country on social policies and are upset that she may be trying to not provoke an ad attack extravaganza in the Midwest. Either way she's gonna get attacked because Republicans are Republicans and that Dems are and is always the party for LGBT acceptance. Going to the right of gender affirming care would not convince partisans and homophobes to vote for Dems when the Dems for years have made their stance on that matter known. What's worse is it will only dampen enthusiasm for her candidacy which she desperately needs in this coin flip race 1
Marianah Adkins Posted October 25 Posted October 25 10 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: Awful answer from an absolutely awful lady. Chappell was right Not surprised to see the Blue MAGA here losing it as usual and accusing people criticizing her of being Trumpsters when they have more in common with them BRAIN ROT! The way Chappell got unfairly lashed everywhere she deserves an apology 2
blackoutbaby Posted October 25 Posted October 25 6 hours ago, ChooseyLover said: And ATRL wants me to think this lady and her corrupted party is a better option than Jill Stein. Your honor, this woman has proven herself to be useless during her campaign AND when she's held a position of power. If I were American I'd take my chances with Jill Stein. Jill Stein is a paid mole tho
State of Grace. Posted October 25 Posted October 25 Just now, Marianah Adkins said: The way Chappell got unfairly lashed everywhere she deserves an apology Ikr! The fact that they called her a Republican/Trump supporter when she was just rightfully questioning Harris/Dems' stance and policies when it comes trans people issues (which is her #1 priority in this election) and obviously their unequivocal support of the genocide in Gaza. These people are beyond help and I'm so over arguing with them. 1
nostalgic Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) I'm so tired of her pivoting to Trump and giving the same garbled non-response. Does she even know ANYTHING? Just answer the damn question Edited October 25 by nostalgic
shyboi Posted October 25 Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Hex said: Did we all watch the same video? She said she's not gonna put herself in the position of a doctor... is that not fair? are you being serious sis?
45seconds Posted October 25 Posted October 25 2 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: Either way she's gonna get attacked because Republicans are Republicans and that Dems are and is always the party for LGBT acceptance. Going to the right of gender affirming care would not convince partisans and homophobes to vote for Dems when the Dems for years have made their stance on that matter known. What's worse is it will only dampen enthusiasm for her candidacy which she desperately needs in this coin flip race You are in a bubble if you think most Americans are so far left or far right that they would be swayed by her answer. It was a dead center pragmatic response that would alert only the far reaches of both parties. Also, the people who would be dampened live in mostly SAFE democratic strongholds. A white woman from PA would not blink at her response to this at all. 2
Tropez Posted October 25 Posted October 25 Could someone explain to me why are people even considering voting for her?
Vermouth Posted October 25 Posted October 25 14 minutes ago, Tropez said: Could someone explain to me why are people even considering voting for her? Trump.
45seconds Posted October 25 Posted October 25 43 minutes ago, nostalgic said: I'm so tired of her pivoting to Trump and giving the same garbled non-response. Does she even know ANYTHING? Just answer the damn question Does a HBCU graduate who passed the bar exam and was an attorneys general know anything?
Havoc Posted October 25 Posted October 25 (edited) Is it me or is ATRL being dramatic as hell here. Her answer was essentially a yes. Edited October 25 by Havoc 1
nostalgic Posted October 25 Posted October 25 1 hour ago, 45seconds said: Does a HBCU graduate who passed the bar exam and was an attorneys general know anything? Maybe she should use her words and prove it then. It isn't just me saying it - the recurring theme in every criticism is that she talks in circles, deflects, changes the subject and never gives a direct answer. "I'll follow the law" is a non-answer that your rank and file anti-gay Republican would give. She's being asked what she supports - the answer to which is, "I do" or "I do not." 2
réveuse Posted October 25 Posted October 25 3 hours ago, Hex said: Voting for Jill Stein is a privileged, self-interested thing to do that throws LGBT, people of color and Palestinians under the bus If your wasted votes mean these groups suffer even harder under Trump's would-be assault on these groups, then it is YOUR burden to bear. No, the actually privileged people are the ones making "brat" edits of Kamala and attack people when they go slightly against the Democratic opinions. 1
45seconds Posted October 25 Posted October 25 38 minutes ago, nostalgic said: Maybe she should use her words and prove it then. It isn't just me saying it - the recurring theme in every criticism is that she talks in circles, deflects, changes the subject and never gives a direct answer. "I'll follow the law" is a non-answer that your rank and file anti-gay Republican would give. She's being asked what she supports - the answer to which is, "I do" or "I do not." That is not an indication of intellect. She's not an orator and is a politician and speaks like one. She has proven she is smart by, again, passing the bar. Becoming a states attorney and a senator.
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