Raphy23 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 2 hours ago, CRUNK. said: Wasn't that Shawn Mendes? We need to leave Shawn, Camila, Demi, etc alone as well. 8
Scandalous Posted October 17 Posted October 17 32 minutes ago, Gelato said: I think their relationship was amicable. Cheryl is very close to one of Liam's sisters in particular (I can't remember which one), and one of Liam's parents' neighbours said today about how Liam would be seen arriving with Cheryl and Bear at his parents' house at Christmas and other holidays. There were one or two stories over the years about Cheryl and Liam agreeing he should have some time away from Bear, which would make sense from a safeguarding perspective if it coincided with when he was suffering from addiction. Liam himself said he would see Bear two or three times a week when he was in England, but he'd do it at Cheryl's house when they'd take him to school. oh good to know! I was a big fan of both groups but haven't really kept up with their personal lives post-group 1
Matchatea Posted October 17 Posted October 17 52 minutes ago, Digitalism said: Because this is not on the media. The staff member send the messege to a friend on whatsapp, the friend resend it to multiple people and then it was uploaded to x. It is legit because he sent the leaked pictures too. This is pictures from the hotel correct? Not what TMZ posted 1
Cbreezy Posted October 17 Posted October 17 25 minutes ago, Death & Decay said: This thread is a MESS. I can't believe some of the posts I've been reading. RIP, Liam. Forreal! The weirdest and scariest part is that I can 200% guarantee that the crazies with the downright evil hot takes don't actually "care" about the cause or "victims" they are justifying their inhumaneness in the name of. At least not to the extent portrayed. I have literally seen so many instances of users here and on socials flip-flopping on certain causes depending on who is at its center. If it ever involves their "fave", it's silence, denials, or "let's wait for verification". Anything or anyone else and then it's open season. TRASH. Again, in no way am I Liam stan nor do I endorse any behavior that "may" have skewed problematic (unproven), but no one can convince me that it's not just stan wars / a pile-on dressed up as advocacy. RIP Liam 1 6
imabadkid Posted October 17 Posted October 17 55 minutes ago, Death & Decay said: This thread is a MESS. I can't believe some of the posts I've been reading. RIP, Liam. People are truly awful. I'm surprised but then I'm not. RIP Liam.
MidnightsAtPeace Posted October 17 Posted October 17 I still can't believe he's gone Never in my life did I imagine him dying so young He needed professional help so bad I'm so sick to my stomach
Rihinvention Posted October 17 Posted October 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, MusicIsMyMaster said: https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/31/grammy-nominated-scottish-artist-sophie-dies-after-fall-from-athens-balcony literally who brat (charli album) is partially dedicated to I saw Miley Cyrus post that "we need more balcony regulations." I feel like I would find that statement ridiculous, if not for the fact that I know two people (in real life) who've passed from balcony-related deaths… One was a drug-induced accident (from what I've heard, it was MDMA, GHB and acid — but the acid is the main reason he was tripping) and the other was a murder, which there's an incredible documentary on… Miley's kinda right…balconies probably should be more regulated? I have a huge fear of heights though…I've actually told friends that my biggest fear is that I'm going to fall off a balcony while high, because I can fully see that happening to me. Edited October 17 by Rihinvention 5
Burn Posted October 17 Posted October 17 (edited) Neighbour recounts Liam Payne's kindness over intruder scare 16:30 One of Liam Payne's neighbours in Buckinghamshire has described the singer as "the most down to earth and helpful guy". Thomas Evans, 17, tells the PA news agency the singer came out of his house in the early hours of the morning about six months ago to check on him and his siblings after they had an intruder on their property. He says: "At about half past 2am, we saw a shadow through the window and realised there was an intruder on our driveway. There was quite a commotion. "Liam just heard some kids shouting and, bless him, he came over. He didn't have to." He adds: "He had a full on top hat, an overcoat, and chequered trousers. He told us, 'I heard some shouting and screaming, are you okay?' We called the police and he stayed with us until they arrived. We had small talk, just to calm us down." "That's just one example of him being a really nice guy." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn4vem0l5ldt Edited October 17 by Burn 7
Witnessed ET Posted October 17 Posted October 17 1 hour ago, Venice B said: Nobody is saying he was a saint, actually the opposite: he did bad things and he will never be able to make amends because he's now dead. Mourning also means mourning what ones life could've been and what he could've done to make things better for the ones he wronged. Plus he was still very young. It's one thing when someone dies at an old age and they've done questionable things in their life, that's a scenario where mourning that person might not seem like smth people naturally wanna do because the person had already surpassed the opportunity of bettering themselves. But for young people like Liam, they had their whole lives in front of them to grow as human beings and to right their wrongs. So It's such a tragedy when their life is cut short and they don't get to turn things around for themselves and for others that they've hurt along the way. That's why this is so sad and that's why we mourn these people. 11
Rihinvention Posted October 17 Posted October 17 (edited) 12 hours ago, Burn said: Neighbour recounts Liam Payne's kindness over intruder scare 16:30 One of Liam Payne's neighbours in Buckinghamshire has described the singer as "the most down to earth and helpful guy". Thomas Evans, 17, tells the PA news agency the singer came out of his house in the early hours of the morning about six months ago to check on him and his siblings after they had an intruder on their property. He says: "At about half past 2am, we saw a shadow through the window and realised there was an intruder on our driveway. There was quite a commotion. "Liam just heard some kids shouting and, bless him, he came over. He didn't have to." He adds: "He had a full on top hat, an overcoat, and chequered trousers. He told us, 'I heard some shouting and screaming, are you okay?' We called the police and he stayed with us until they arrived. We had small talk, just to calm us down." "That's just one example of him being a really nice guy." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn4vem0l5ldt?post=asset%3A416bcdbb-dde2-456f-899b-15a32b01b465#post All of this is making me realise that in the 'social media era' every interaction is documented, and it's creating this dichotomy/binary of "this celebrity is a good person" vs. "this celebrity is a bad person!" The reality of the situation is — we ALL have our good moments and our bad moments, especially in our 20s when we're still learning. The difference with celebrities today, is that every time they step outside of their house, it's documented on a hand-held (a.k.a. phone) camera. Or someone can recount their "negative" interaction with you (to Twitter or an online publication) within MINUTES. Imagine how much pressure that would be. The pressure of hundreds, or even thousands, of peoples' jobs on your shoulders, when all you're trying to do is walk from a hotel lobby to a taxi (as fast as you can because you're running late)…and then you log onto Twitter to see that you're "an awful person" and "so rude" because you "wouldn't stop for a picture, with fans who've waited 8 hours!!!" — because jobless assholes camped out and stalked you for an entire day. It must be exhausting to be famous… I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. You honestly could not pay me to live like that. Edited October 18 by Rihinvention 10 1
Witnessed ET Posted October 17 Posted October 17 8 hours ago, Cbreezy said: As someone who lives on the Urban side of the forum and never stanned in any way (for 1D or Liam), I still find myself floored by this. Outside of the tragedy of it all, the next thing that has me most shocked is the lack of empathy by some on here and Twitter. I actually understand indifference, but to be so ACTIVE and decidedly VOCAL in their disdain at this time is WILD to me and shows a total lack of human empathy. It is the equivalent of going out of one's way to be both hateful and spiteful. I am in NO WAY condoning any of what he has been accused of and there IS a chance it was all 100% true, but this practice of hearing an "accusation", effectively auto-believing it all (without seeing concrete evidence), and then immediately whipping out the pitchforks is SO bizarre to me. Ever heard of letting the case play out and giving all due process? I could never speak so confidently or passionately with my chest about something I wasn't privy to seeing without...concrete, irrefutable, facts. Which is what a court case helps uncover. Nothing is new under the sun, so the public sphere has always been its own kind of judge and jury. But I legit think it's getting worse in this current era of social media. So much performative "support" when it's merely stan war drags dressed up as activism. IMO, the level of faux outrage tends to vary depending on how "liked" or "cool" a person is at the time. For example, Justin Bieber. Granted he rightfully clapped back hard at his accuser with receipts, in the time before his response, I don't remember this avalanche of hate. There was a lot of defending and let's "wait and see". Similarly, I'm a POC and I don't see this enduring outrage over his "n-word" remarks...it feels like it's selectively brought up when it's "ok" to drag him, but generally, it's happily parked in history never to be spoken of. I point this out for no other reason than to highlight the sheer hypocrisy of some folk. THEN...and I really don't care if I get downvoted for this, there is factually levels to what we class as wrongoing. AGAIN, I must stress that if Liam did what he is accused of (the harrassment, stalking etc), then he should be held accountable. However, is it that hard for people to use their deductive reasoning to clock that there are monsters / monstrous actions (like a Weinstein and a Diddy and a Hitler if we are going there) and then there are problematic actions like what Liam was accused of. The two tiers are not the same. To create a false equivalency and actively celebrate someone's death as some kind of activism is so disingenuous and WACK. It's like do some of y'all have BIRD BRAINS? This all supports my long-held belief that a lot of people simply consume "celebrity" as escapism from their real lives. They "cheer' for the "good guys" and "jeer" the "bad guys". They do away with the deductive reasoning they have to use in their "real life" and simply see a lot of these celebs as characters in a movie that they can project on in ways both good and bad. I am the furthest thing from a celebrity apologist and, as mentioned, I literally only know 3-4 1D/Liam songs COMBINED but to sit back and read such sickening remarks actually f'd with me in regards of how trash some humans can be. Specifically when I know for a fact that had this been a person they knew in their REAL LIFE or they ever find themselves accused of something, their reaction would be markedly...different. This will likely fly over most of the hateful hater's heads, but (not to sound faux-righteous) I legit hope it registers with...someone. Cus actively projecting bad energy has a pretty consistent way of coming back on the person doing it. Yup. Very well said. People are just vile on the internet just for the sake of it, and they don't need much to convince themselves to just outright incriminate celebs or people in general while hiding behind a keyboard. 7
gatito Posted October 17 Posted October 17 8 hours ago, blondeskinnyrich said: I'm sorry, but is it not a choice, at least partially? You choose to try drugs, nobody forced him to try them... You phrased it as if it's something that could happen to anyone. this is very ignorant please get educated elsewhere and think again before posting 3 1
45seconds Posted October 17 Posted October 17 17 minutes ago, Burn said: I mean. That's pretty much obvious. 2 1
MariahC Posted October 17 Posted October 17 Oh wow Liam sweetie what happened?! Well, at least he can rest in peace now.
Rabbit Posted October 17 Posted October 17 9 hours ago, Cbreezy said: As someone who lives on the Urban side of the forum and never stanned in any way (for 1D or Liam), I still find myself floored by this. Outside of the tragedy of it all, the next thing that has me most shocked is the lack of empathy by some on here and Twitter. I actually understand indifference, but to be so ACTIVE and decidedly VOCAL in their disdain at this time is WILD to me and shows a total lack of human empathy. It is the equivalent of going out of one's way to be both hateful and spiteful. I am in NO WAY condoning any of what he has been accused of and there IS a chance it was all 100% true, but this practice of hearing an "accusation", effectively auto-believing it all (without seeing concrete evidence), and then immediately whipping out the pitchforks is SO bizarre to me. Ever heard of letting the case play out and giving all due process? I could never speak so confidently or passionately with my chest about something I wasn't privy to seeing without...concrete, irrefutable, facts. Which is what a court case helps uncover. Nothing is new under the sun, so the public sphere has always been its own kind of judge and jury. But I legit think it's getting worse in this current era of social media. So much performative "support" when it's merely stan war drags dressed up as activism. IMO, the level of faux outrage tends to vary depending on how "liked" or "cool" a person is at the time. For example, Justin Bieber. Granted he rightfully clapped back hard at his accuser with receipts, in the time before his response, I don't remember this avalanche of hate. There was a lot of defending and let's "wait and see". Similarly, I'm a POC and I don't see this enduring outrage over his "n-word" remarks...it feels like it's selectively brought up when it's "ok" to drag him, but generally, it's happily parked in history never to be spoken of. I point this out for no other reason than to highlight the sheer hypocrisy of some folk. THEN...and I really don't care if I get downvoted for this, there is factually levels to what we class as wrongoing. AGAIN, I must stress that if Liam did what he is accused of (the harrassment, stalking etc), then he should be held accountable. However, is it that hard for people to use their deductive reasoning to clock that there are monsters / monstrous actions (like a Weinstein and a Diddy and a Hitler if we are going there) and then there are problematic actions like what Liam was accused of. The two tiers are not the same. To create a false equivalency and actively celebrate someone's death as some kind of activism is so disingenuous and WACK. It's like do some of y'all have BIRD BRAINS? This all supports my long-held belief that a lot of people simply consume "celebrity" as escapism from their real lives. They "cheer' for the "good guys" and "jeer" the "bad guys". They do away with the deductive reasoning they have to use in their "real life" and simply see a lot of these celebs as characters in a movie that they can project on in ways both good and bad. I am the furthest thing from a celebrity apologist and, as mentioned, I literally only know 3-4 1D/Liam songs COMBINED but to sit back and read such sickening remarks actually f'd with me in regards of how trash some humans can be. Specifically when I know for a fact that had this been a person they knew in their REAL LIFE or they ever find themselves accused of something, their reaction would be markedly...different. This will likely fly over most of the hateful hater's heads, but (not to sound faux-righteous) I legit hope it registers with...someone. Cus actively projecting bad energy has a pretty consistent way of coming back on the person doing it. WHEW 1
PoisonPill Posted October 17 Posted October 17 9 hours ago, Cbreezy said: As someone who lives on the Urban side of the forum and never stanned in any way (for 1D or Liam), I still find myself floored by this. Outside of the tragedy of it all, the next thing that has me most shocked is the lack of empathy by some on here and Twitter. I actually understand indifference, but to be so ACTIVE and decidedly VOCAL in their disdain at this time is WILD to me and shows a total lack of human empathy. It is the equivalent of going out of one's way to be both hateful and spiteful. I am in NO WAY condoning any of what he has been accused of and there IS a chance it was all 100% true, but this practice of hearing an "accusation", effectively auto-believing it all (without seeing concrete evidence), and then immediately whipping out the pitchforks is SO bizarre to me. Ever heard of letting the case play out and giving all due process? I could never speak so confidently or passionately with my chest about something I wasn't privy to seeing without...concrete, irrefutable, facts. Which is what a court case helps uncover. Nothing is new under the sun, so the public sphere has always been its own kind of judge and jury. But I legit think it's getting worse in this current era of social media. So much performative "support" when it's merely stan war drags dressed up as activism. IMO, the level of faux outrage tends to vary depending on how "liked" or "cool" a person is at the time. For example, Justin Bieber. Granted he rightfully clapped back hard at his accuser with receipts, in the time before his response, I don't remember this avalanche of hate. There was a lot of defending and let's "wait and see". Similarly, I'm a POC and I don't see this enduring outrage over his "n-word" remarks...it feels like it's selectively brought up when it's "ok" to drag him, but generally, it's happily parked in history never to be spoken of. I point this out for no other reason than to highlight the sheer hypocrisy of some folk. THEN...and I really don't care if I get downvoted for this, there is factually levels to what we class as wrongoing. AGAIN, I must stress that if Liam did what he is accused of (the harrassment, stalking etc), then he should be held accountable. However, is it that hard for people to use their deductive reasoning to clock that there are monsters / monstrous actions (like a Weinstein and a Diddy and a Hitler if we are going there) and then there are problematic actions like what Liam was accused of. The two tiers are not the same. To create a false equivalency and actively celebrate someone's death as some kind of activism is so disingenuous and WACK. It's like do some of y'all have BIRD BRAINS? This all supports my long-held belief that a lot of people simply consume "celebrity" as escapism from their real lives. They "cheer' for the "good guys" and "jeer" the "bad guys". They do away with the deductive reasoning they have to use in their "real life" and simply see a lot of these celebs as characters in a movie that they can project on in ways both good and bad. I am the furthest thing from a celebrity apologist and, as mentioned, I literally only know 3-4 1D/Liam songs COMBINED but to sit back and read such sickening remarks actually f'd with me in regards of how trash some humans can be. Specifically when I know for a fact that had this been a person they knew in their REAL LIFE or they ever find themselves accused of something, their reaction would be markedly...different. This will likely fly over most of the hateful hater's heads, but (not to sound faux-righteous) I legit hope it registers with...someone. Cus actively projecting bad energy has a pretty consistent way of coming back on the person doing it. This needs to be perma-pinned on the ATRL homepage 7
ChrisTheLoner Posted October 17 Posted October 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, Raphy23 said: We need to leave Shawn, Camila, Demi, etc alone as well. Exactly, celebrities are still people, the sooner people and the media realize that the better. It also really irks me how so many users in this thread are just spewing vitriol towards Liam who literally died. They need to have some empathy and let the man rest in peace Edited October 17 by ChrisTheLoner 1
dumbsparce Posted October 17 Posted October 17 40 minutes ago, 45seconds said: I mean. That's pretty much obvious. Well yes. Perhaps you were expecting the manner of death to be revealed but it'll be a long time before we get that since there were no witnesses.
NoAngelus Posted October 17 Posted October 17 I am heartbroken for such a young life. Having said that I was never fan of 1D or even know much about them, but I noticed in recent years hate train towards him on the internet, so naturally I started rooting for him to get better and get his life back on track. And I am heartbroken by the fact that he never will. I just don't understand celebrities. How come they are always alone and lonely? Where are family and friends to support them during their struggles?
The Slayer Posted October 17 Posted October 17 2 hours ago, Raphy23 said: We need to leave Shawn, Camila, Demi, etc alone as well. and Jesy Nelson, i've seen SO many tweets saying 'Jesy Nelson next', it is so disgusting. 4 3
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