celeb news Liam Payne (31) found dead in Buenos Aires

[dumbsparce]

1 minute ago, HausOfEnzo said:

In Argentina, the emergency number for police, fire, and medical services is 911. This number can be dialed from any phone to reach emergency services nationwide.

Mess I thought it was the US 911 they were referring to. 

Edited October 17 by dumbsparce

[Digitalism]

2 hours ago, ShadeIena said:

He was with 2 prostitutes in the lapsus of his last hour . Even on the leaked pics of his room you can see a condom next to the tv. His manager said he left for 10 minutes cuz he couldn't control him(The hotel employees called the police cuz he was really aggressive and fainted on the lobby) and was (according to the employees) looking for more drugs for him and that's when he tried to jump to the pool and died

This info was leaked from the employees of the hotel like pictures. So they are almost certainly  true.

It's Argentina so they won't care and leak everything.

[brraap]

1 hour ago, Aaron said:

But then how else would @More Than A Melody flaunt their virtuosity and superiority? They needed to rush in, immediately make it about themselves, and scold everyone for paying respects to a dead person. 

Exactly. Whatever he did to that girl is between him, her, the courts, and God. The public dogpiling was completely unnecessary. 

[Rihinvention]

2 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

This info was leaked from the employees of the hotel like pictures. So they are almost certainly  true.

It's Argentina so they won't care and leak everything.

Are there any legal ramifications?

[Cain]

5 hours ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

How does that disprove my point? Did I say 'everyone who tries drugs becomes addicts'? No.

And yes, I do feel the same about alcoholics. You won't see me supporting any of them, because I do think there are better ways of coping with your mental struggles than reaching for alocohol, but of course they are not as easy as this. 

This is an insane take to me because then we can trace anything back to it being a choice? People that self-harm choose to hurt themselves, people with anorexia choose to not eat, people that commit suicide choose to end their lives

 

That's really not how depression, mental illness and struggling works. Again, you lack a severe amount of empathy if you think addiction is a choice and someone can just… choose to not have it

[blondeskinnyrich]

7 minutes ago, Cain said:

This is an insane take to me because then we can trace anything back to it being a choice? People that self-harm choose to hurt themselves, people with anorexia choose to not eat, people that commit suicide choose to end their lives

 

That's really not how depression, mental illness and struggling works. Again, you lack a severe amount of empathy if you think addiction is a choice and someone can just… choose to not have it

You're not reading what I'm writing honey. I never said the addiction is a choice... I said that trying drugs / alcohol for the first time more often than not is. There are better ways of coping with your issues than those and you won't convince me that I'm wrong about this one. 

And yes, I am aware that choosing to ask for help is way harder than drinking or doing drugs, which give you temporary peace almost instantly, but it doesn't mean what I said is incorrect...

Also, you really don't need to tell me how much I lack empathy, because I'm well aware of that and I'm not proud of that, but I think you should be able to understand where it might be coming from since you preaching about mental issues and stuff related to it ;)

Edited October 17 by blondeskinnyrich

[Monsieurgedeon]

1 minute ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

You're not reading what I'm writing honey. I never said the addiction is a choice... I said that trying drugs / alcohol for the first time more ofthen than not is. There are better ways of coping with your issues than those and you won't convince me that I'm wrong about this one. 

And yes, I am aware that choosing to ask for help is way harder than drinking or doing drugs, which give you temporary peace almost instantly, but it doesn't mean what I said is incorrect...

Also, you really don't need to tell me how much I lack empathy, because I'm well aware of that and I'm not proud of that, but I think you should be able to understand where it might be coming from since you preaching about mental issues and stuff related to it ;)

This is illusion of free will, at the end we are the fruit of our environment and our upbringing. You may feel like you have free will but at the end it's just an illusion. Nobody is really free and you are an *******. 

[Vespertine]

10 minutes ago, Cain said:

This is an insane take to me because then we can trace anything back to it being a choice? People that self-harm choose to hurt themselves, people with anorexia choose to not eat, people that commit suicide choose to end their lives

 

That's really not how depression, mental illness and struggling works. Again, you lack a severe amount of empathy if you think addiction is a choice and someone can just… choose to not have it

It's also totally ignoring the way that impressionable teens are thrown into the entertainment industry without any safeguards. They can be exposed to unimaginable levels of fame and wealth while also being surrounded by adults who often normalize (or even encourage) substance use.

 

I doubt any of us will ever truly understand what went on behind the scenes of 1D or how it all felt to them. The one little insight we did get was from Liam a few years ago. He talked about their management locking them in their hotel rooms at the height of 1D, and how he didn't know how to cope — except that there was a minibar in every room. 

[Raspberries]

I haven't been this shocked by a celebrity death since Kobe

 

Just totally unexpected and not something anyone ever thought would happen any time soon

[blondeskinnyrich]

1 minute ago, Monsieurgedeon said:

This is illusion of free will, at the end we are the fruit of our environment and our upbringing. You may feel like you have free will but at the end it's just an illusion. Nobody is really free and you are an *******. 

girl idek what you're saying 

we seem to have fundamentally different opinions on drugs and alcohol and that's okay to me.

you don't need to call me names because of that, though, but I guess you didn't have a chouce, as your free will is just an illusion 

[Shazbaz13]

Still in shock and keep thinking about this.

 

I am listening to Teardrops, which will now be his final song 

[Digitalism]

24 minutes ago, Rihinvention said:

Are there any legal ramifications?

The manager left him alone and got the drugs and the prostitutes. He didn't want to pay the prostitutes so he got violent and they called security. They tried to kick him out from the hotel and his manager said the drugs were sold by some of the staff of the hotel, which according to the leaker is true. While the manager was talking to the staff he jumped.

The leaker said he probably tried to jump into the pool but he missed. 

 

Edited October 17 by Digitalism

[Young In Love]

i can't believe that the internet still manages to make fun of/memes of such a tragic event? like this is so serious and sad

the signs were all around for such a long time, it's heartbreaking he couldn't find a way out or the help he needed :/ things seemed to looked better and the interaction with Argentinian fans was cute, RIP Liam.

 

[Matchatea]

10 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

The manager left him alone and got the drugs and the prostitutes. He didn't want to pay the prostitutes so he got violent and they called security. They tried to kick him out from the hotel and his manager said the drugs were sold by some of the staff of the hotel, which according to the leaker is true. While the manager was talking to the staff he jumped.

The leaker said he probably tried to jump into the pool but he missed. 

 

Who is the leaker? 

[Digitalism]

1 minute ago, Matchatea said:

Who is the leaker? 

Staff from the hotel

[jees]

59 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

I'm reading about a 911 call but then I open the articles and there's no mention of such a thing at all. And since when is 911 an international number in the first place?

Using it as synonym of emergency number, some people wouldn't understand if they say it's a 777 or any random number

[jonapova]

1 hour ago, dumbsparce said:

I'm reading about a 911 call but then I open the articles and there's no mention of such a thing at all. And since when is 911 an international number in the first place?

Call handler: 911 where's your emergency?

Caller: Hello

911 what's your emergency?

Hello, good afternoon, look I'm calling you from the hotel CasaSur Palermo, which is located in Costa Rica [St] 6032

6032? Is that between Cramer [St] and … 

Yes, that's correct it's between Arevalo [Street] and Dorrego [Street]. So, we have a guest who is high on drugs and who is trashing the room. Erm, so we need someone to come

Understood, so you're telling me is being aggressive? Sir, can you please repeat the name of the hotel? Sir?

• The line cuts and a second call is made - we'll have that in our next post

Call handler: 911 where's your emergency?

Caller: Hello, good day, I just called but got cut off. I'm calling from the hotel CasaSur Palermo, Costa Rica [St] 6032

What's happening at that location, sir?

Well, we've got a guest who has had too many drugs and alcohol and, well, when he is conscious he is trashing the entire room and we need you to send someone, please

He is under the effect of alcohol and drugs, is he, sir?

Yes, correct

You said Costa Rica St at which location?

Costa Rica 6032

That's between Arevalo and Cramer?

Yes

You said it's a hotel? What's it called?

CasaSur Palermo, and we need you to send someone urgently because, well, I don't know whether his life, may be in danger, the guest's life. He is in a room with a balcony and well, we're a little afraid that he…

Since when has he been there or is this a long-stay hotel?

He's been here for two or three days.

Understood, you wouldn't know any other details because you can't get in, right?

No

We'll notify the SAME (medical emergency) staff as well, yes?

Yes, what I'm asking is for someone to come urgently because, well…

We've notified SAME. Any other details you can provide. Who are you, are you in charge?

I am in the chief receptionist.

In charge at the location?

Yes, yes.

We've now reported this. What's your name, sir?

Esteban.

We've reported it.

OK

Thanks for calling, you can free up the line now.

Are you sending the police as well or not?

The police and the local – wait give me a second – the local authorities and the SAME.

No, no, just the SAME. Just the SAME.

Understood, don't worry, we've reported it.

Yes, perfect, many thanks.

You told me that [the guest] is under the influence of drugs and alcohol and the SAME doesn't go in alone.

The SAME doesn't go in alone? Ok, ok.

No, it's reported [to the police] regardless. If the police arrives you explain [what's going on] and if they need the SAME, they call them.

Good, ok. Perfect.

We've made the report, have a good day, sir.

Good, thanks, same to you.

[Rihinvention]

21 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

The manager left him alone and got the drugs and the prostitutes. He didn't want to pay the prostitutes so he got violent and they called security. They tried to kick him out from the hotel and his manager said the drugs were sold by some of the staff of the hotel, which according to the leaker is true. While the manager was talking to the staff he jumped.

The leaker said he probably tried to jump into the pool but he missed. 

 

I find the differences in journalistic integrity kinda fascinating.

 

This, most definitely, isn't the story to discuss this…but the lack of "confirm this" and "privacy that" and "get the lawyers on *this*" is really interesting to me.

 

Makes me wonder how their news operates on a day-to-day basis…

 

 

Edited October 17 by Rihinvention

[Digitalism]

1 minute ago, Rihinvention said:

I find the differences in journalistic integrity kinda fascinating.

 

This, most definitely, isn't the story to discuss thiszzzbut the lack of "confirm this" and "privacy that" is really interesting to me.

 

Makes me wonder how their news operates on a day-to-day basis…

Because this is not on the media.

The staff member send the messege to a friend on whatsapp, the friend resend it to multiple people and then it was uploaded to x. It is legit because he sent the leaked pictures too.

[Death & Decay]

This thread is a MESS. I can't believe some of the posts I've been reading.

 

RIP, Liam.

[Scandalous]

2 hours ago, Gelato said:

I can't get this off my mind. I love Girls Aloud and to think of how Cheryl has had to break the news to her son, who will now grow up without a father, is brutal. Her charity has a centre in Newcastle that's supposed to provide opportunities and keep young people away from drugs after she experienced friends from her teenage years dying from overdoses. Her brother also suffers from addiction but won't accept help from her. This really is the nightmare scenario for her.

 

Also for Liam's family. By all accounts he had excellent parents and his sisters have also been very supportive. Liam's parents and sisters are very close with Cheryl and Bear, so at least we know they will be able to support him as he grows up and give him all the love in the world.

wow I didn't know all that about Cheryl  I was wondering if she and Liam had any sort of relationship anymore due to Bear

[Raphy23]

6 hours ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

I'm sorry, but is it not a choice, at least partially? You choose to try drugs, nobody forced him to try them... You phrased it as if it's something that could happen to anyone.

It can happen to anyone. Drug abuse often starts after significant injury when the doctor prescribes opioids. If your pre-disposed to drug addiction, even if you never tried drugs before that, it can cause you to spiral down the wrong path. During the opioid crisis there was many instances of parents getting addicted after an injury and eventually losing their lives to drugs/overdosing. 

[Gelato]

12 minutes ago, Scandalous said:

wow I didn't know all that about Cheryl  I was wondering if she and Liam had any sort of relationship anymore due to Bear

I think their relationship was amicable. Cheryl is very close to one of Liam's sisters in particular (I can't remember which one), and one of Liam's parents' neighbours said today about how Liam would be seen arriving with Cheryl and Bear at his parents' house at Christmas and other holidays.

 

There were one or two stories over the years about Cheryl and Liam agreeing he should have some time away from Bear, which would make sense from a safeguarding perspective if it coincided with when he was suffering from addiction. Liam himself said he would see Bear two or three times a week when he was in England, but he'd do it at Cheryl's house when they'd take him to school.

Edited October 17 by Gelato

[Raphy23]

6 hours ago, Cbreezy said:

As someone who lives on the Urban side of the forum and never stanned in any way (for 1D or Liam), I still find myself floored by this. 

 

Outside of the tragedy of it all, the next thing that has me most shocked is the lack of empathy by some on here and Twitter.

 

I actually understand indifference, but to be so ACTIVE and decidedly VOCAL in their disdain at this time is WILD to me and shows a total lack of human empathy. It is the equivalent of going out of one's way to be both hateful and spiteful. 

 

I am in NO WAY condoning any of what he has been accused of and there IS a chance it was all 100% true, but this practice of hearing an "accusation", effectively auto-believing it all (without seeing concrete evidence), and then immediately whipping out the pitchforks is SO bizarre to me. Ever heard of letting the case play out and giving all due process? I could never speak so confidently or passionately with my chest about something I wasn't privy to seeing without...concrete, irrefutable, facts. Which is what a court case helps uncover.

 

Nothing is new under the sun, so the public sphere has always been its own kind of judge and jury. But I legit think it's getting worse in this current era of social media. So much performative "support" when it's merely stan war drags dressed up as activism. IMO, the level of faux outrage tends to vary depending on how "liked" or "cool" a person is at the time.

 

For example, Justin Bieber. Granted he rightfully clapped back hard at his accuser with receipts, in the time before his response, I don't remember this avalanche of hate. There was a lot of defending and let's "wait and see". Similarly, I'm a POC and I don't see this enduring outrage over his "n-word" remarks...it feels like it's selectively brought up when it's "ok" to drag him, but generally, it's happily parked in history never to be spoken of. I point this out for no other reason than to highlight the sheer hypocrisy of some folk. 

 

THEN...and I really don't care if I get downvoted for this, there is factually levels to what we class as wrongoing. AGAIN, I must stress that if Liam did what he is accused of (the harrassment, stalking etc), then he should be held accountable. However, is it that hard for people to use their deductive reasoning to clock that there are monsters / monstrous actions (like a Weinstein and a Diddy and a Hitler if we are going there) and then there are problematic actions like what Liam was accused of. The two tiers are not the same. To create a false equivalency and actively celebrate someone's death as some kind of activism is so disingenuous and WACK. It's like do some of y'all have BIRD BRAINS?

 

This all supports my long-held belief that a lot of people simply consume "celebrity" as escapism from their real lives. They "cheer' for the "good guys" and "jeer" the "bad guys". They do away with the deductive reasoning they have to use in their "real life" and simply see a lot of these celebs as characters in a movie that they can project on in ways both good and bad.

 

I am the furthest thing from a celebrity apologist and, as mentioned, I literally only know 3-4 1D/Liam songs COMBINED but to sit back and read such sickening remarks actually f'd with me in regards of how trash some humans can be. Specifically when I know for a fact that had this been a person they knew in their REAL LIFE or they ever find themselves accused of something, their reaction would be markedly...different.

 

This will likely fly over most of the hateful hater's heads, but (not to sound faux-righteous) I legit hope it registers with...someone. Cus actively projecting bad energy has a pretty consistent way of coming back on the person doing it. 

Right. If you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all. 

[MusicIsMyMaster]

7 hours ago, UnderratedVocalist said:

Who is Sophie?

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/31/grammy-nominated-scottish-artist-sophie-dies-after-fall-from-athens-balcony 

 

literally who brat (charli album) is partially dedicated to