celeb news Liam Payne (31) found dead in Buenos Aires

[FrederickGa]

4 hours ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

I'm sorry, but is it not a choice, at least partially? You choose to try drugs, nobody forced him to try them... You phrased it as if it's something that could happen to anyone.

for REAL,

 

Smoking, Drinking, Drugs.. It is your CHOICE.. How is it not your choice?

 

O.T. - This felt surreal, I was in the beginning of my college studies when they blew up so this is some kind of "time-check, you're OLD" moment

Edited October 17 by FrederickGa

[Aaron]

12 hours ago, DiabeticGrandpa said:

It was not necessary to post this. Have some respect.

 

just stay out from the thread if you dont have anything kind to say

But then how else would @More Than A Melody flaunt their virtuosity and superiority? They needed to rush in, immediately make it about themselves, and scold everyone for paying respects to a dead person. 

[makeme]

The way we went from arguing in the first few pages about "credible sources" now we are arguing over this. 
 

ATRL where we turn everything into an argument

[Popboi.]

1 hour ago, Rihinvention said:

Could this tragedy bring their reunion forward? I'm sure they'll do a respectful tribute at some point, but would it bring them together for new material?

 

I don't know much about One Direction's lore…other than the fact that Zayn left. But I also saw a TikTok, only like a week ago, of Max Balegdeh lip-syncing to a soundbite of Liam telling a story about a physical altercation with Zayn.

 

Did Zane leave because of Liam? And if so, would that mean they'd possibly reunite after Harry's next album?

 

Thats not something I'm hopeful for — again, don't know anything about them. But I'm just curious about their lore, and why they broke up. Or did Zayn have beef with Harry or Louis or something, so it's still completely off the cards?

 

Apparently Harry was surprise-releasing tomorrow, but that's definitely cancelled now.

 

Edit: I'm so removed from them that I thought Zayn was spelt "Zane" 

 

 

No, if anything the reunion won't ever happen now.

 

This sound really insensitive 

[Rihinvention]

4 hours ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

I'm sorry, but is it not a choice, at least partially? You choose to try drugs, nobody forced him to try them... You phrased it as if it's something that could happen to anyone.

I think one of the most ignored aspects on conversations around drugs is why people choose to do them in the first place. My siblings were always super open and honest with me about that.

 

They can give you insane amounts of euphoria, serotonin, dopamine, and adrenaline. Your brain is flooded with all these chemicals that you wouldn't even get if you won a billion dollars in the lotto. 
 

A lot of people (and I mean a lot) are really curious about it. If drugs are so bad, destructive, and life-ruining, then why would anyone pick them up in the first place?

 

It's because they come with a high. Social anxiety decreases, depression goes away, everything is funnier, music is more enjoyable, you want to dance and introduce yourself to people. 
 

And then it can snowball into an addiction and ruin your life.

 

But for a lot of people, especially young people, they just want to try it. And for some, experimentation leads to recreational use, which can lead to early addiction, which can lead to late-stage addiction. 
 

I don't think anyone chooses to become a full-blown addict. They choose to experiment, to see what all the fuss is about. And if they have copious amounts of trauma, and struggle with depression or bipolar disorder or social anxiety, the drugs make all that go away. And even if you don't, recreational drug use is a really fun experience when done right. That's why people do it.

 

And eventually, that can lead to a full-blown addiction…

 

I think the "just say no" mantra of the Reagan era is sticking your head in the sand. When it comes to education on drugs, we have to acknowledge why people experiment, and why they progress to recreational use — because the highs are objectively great. 
 

But then we also have to recognise how recreational use can lead to addiction, and what we can do to intervene.

 

I think that, "well…you tried drugs once when you were 18 and that led to an addiction so go figure, you died. You shouldn't have tried it in the first place"  is oversimplifying a very complex issue that affects millions of people worldwide.

 

"Just say no" doesn't work. This is so much bigger than that.

[Rihinvention]

5 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

No, if anything the reunion won't ever happen now.

 

This sound really insensitive 

Yes, hence why I apologised for it.

[Venice B]

In a way I kinda understand the people who are criticizing Liam's abusive actions but the absolute cruelty of death is the fact he will never be able to get better, to make amends, to make things better for the people he wronged and get closure. And that's part of mourning, feeling for the fact he was too young and had a whole life ahead of him where he could work on the wrong parts about himself and become a better person. 

[Burn]

I saw people saying "He knows" in the other 1D members IG comments (I guess as a spin-off of the "She knows" comments Beyoncé was getting). What the hell is wrong with these people? 🤬 Do people really have to turn everything into a conspiracy.

[Arrows]

1 hour ago, Lil' Oz said:

It has been shown time and time again that children who start young in the entertainment industry do not transition well into adulthood. The time has come, and even passed, to ban children and teenagers from working in the industry until the age of at least 21. Too many people have died from substance abuse and mental health issues. Enough is enough.

 

I'm very sorry to hear about Liam's passing. I couldn't believe it when I first heard about it this morning. Yes, some of his behavior was bizarre, but none of it warranted the backlash and mockery he had to face. I really hope people learn from this tragic incident. Life is too short to be mean to someone you don't know and will never meet. Social media is a deadly place.

 

As for some fools in this thread… how can someone's life be so worthless that they make fun of it? The lack of empathy, not just for Liam but also for his son, who is now fatherless, is utterly disgusting. Celebrities are not just famous entities; they are real humans with real lives.

The entertainment industry is the only one where child labour is normalized

[The7thStranger]

10 minutes ago, Venice B said:

In a way I kinda understand the people who are criticizing Liam's abusive actions but the absolute cruelty of death is the fact he will never be able to get better, to make amends, to make things better for the people he wronged and get closure. And that's part of mourning, feeling for the fact he was too young and had a whole life ahead of him where he could work on the wrong parts about himself and become a better person. 

Not to mention how gruesome this whole ordeal is in particular is. It sounds like the last week of his life was truly a nightmare.

[Anthinos]

I'm usually not really moved when a star dies but this one really shocked me even though I wasn't a 1D fan and didn't really follow them. Liam Payne was kind of always present through ATRL and the fact that we're almost the same age is kind of weird.

I feel really sorry for him. I think despite everything that happened, he was a good person and he always seemed kind-hearted. I'm ashamed that I wrote something about him, but it can't be changed. That should be a lesson to us all. It definitely is for me. There is a lack of empathy in our society.

 

I also feel sorry for Cheryl. I wish her a lot of strength.

[blondeskinnyrich]

12 minutes ago, Rihinvention said:

I think one of the most ignored aspects on conversations around drugs is why people choose to do them in the first place. My siblings were always super open and honest with me about that.

 

They can give you insane amounts of euphoria, serotonin, dopamine, and adrenaline. Your brain is flooded with all these chemicals that you wouldn't even get if you won a billion dollars in the lotto. 
 

A lot of people (and I mean a lot) are really curious about it. If drugs are so bad, destructive, and life-ruining, then why would anyone pick them up in the first place?

 

It's because they come with a high. Social anxiety decreases, depression goes away, everything is funnier, music is more enjoyable, you want to dance and introduce yourself to people. 
 

And then it can snowball into an addiction and ruin your life.

 

But for a lot of people, especially young people, they just want to try it. And for some, experimentation leads to recreational use, which can lead to early addiction, which can lead to late-stage addiction. 
 

I don't think anyone chooses to become a full-blown addict. They choose to experiment, to see what all the fuss is about. And if they have copious amounts of trauma, and struggle with depression or bipolar disorder or social anxiety, the drugs make all that go away. And even if you don't, recreational drug use is a really fun experience when done right. That's why people do it.

 

And eventually, that can lead to a full-blown addiction…

 

I think the "just say no" mantra of the Reagan era is sticking your head in the sand. When it comes to education on drugs, we have to acknowledge why people experiment, and why they progress to recreational use — because the highs are objectively great. 
 

But then we also have to recognise how recreational use can lead to addiction, and what we can do to intervene.

 

I think that, "well…you tried drugs once when you were 18 and that led to an addiction so go figure, you died. You shouldn't have tried it in the first place"  is oversimplifying a very complex issue that affects millions of people worldwide.

 

"Just say no" doesn't work. This is so much bigger than that.

You made valid points, which I very much agree with, but given it's an answer to my comment, I must say that I feel like you didn't fully understand me, but just took what I said out of proportion. 

You kind of agreed with me even, because I don't claim that being an addict is a choice, but that decision to try drugs for the first time is often (not always, as many people here pinpointed to me quite aggresively) a choice, which causes you described above. 

[theweekend]

RIP

 

drugs will never let you go far sadly

[blondeskinnyrich]

16 minutes ago, Venice B said:

In a way I kinda understand the people who are criticizing Liam's abusive actions but the absolute cruelty of death is the fact he will never be able to get better, to make amends, to make things better for the people he wronged and get closure. And that's part of mourning, feeling for the fact he was too young and had a whole life ahead of him where he could work on the wrong parts about himself and become a better person. 

'kinda understand'? 

The fact that he died is very sad and unfair. Him struggling with mental issues and addictions is a serious matter that might have taken a huge part in this tragedy and by all means should it be acknowledged, but it absolutely doesn't mean that we should turn a blind eye on his awful actions and allegations regarding his abuse and just act like he was the holiest of holies. He deserves to be mourned, but not blindly glorified.

[Cardcaptor Sakura]

8 hours ago, Joey307 said:

His fans are bombarding her social media and blaming her for his death. It happened with Ariana/Mac Miller, Courtney/Kurt Cobain. It's classic misogyny and I'm not going to apologize for taking a stand against the bad behavior from him and his fans. 
 

It also happened with Jim Carey, except 
 

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he didn't receive rape threats 

His fans are using the tragedy to attack a victim of abuse. You might want to learn proper grammar before calling someone else a "dumb ass" 

Then go make a damn thread about it and take it there, dumb ass. 

[rhettye]

[Rihinvention]

11 minutes ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

You made valid points, which I very much agree with, but given it's an answer to my comment, I must say that I feel like you didn't fully understand me, but just took what I said out of proportion. 

You kind of agreed with me even, because I don't claim that being an addict is a choice, but that decision to try drugs for the first time is often (not always, as many people here pinpointed to me quite aggresively) a choice, which causes you described above. 

But then why demonise an addict for a choice they made 14 years ago when they were just a curious kid?

 

Throughout my life, I've had addictions to alcohol, marijuana, Xanax, and GHB/crystal meth (GHB and meth went together because G was the depressant and meth was the stimulant).
 

I also did a lot of cocaine and MDMA, but neither of those were a problem. They were just a lot of fun.

 

But, I came out of those experiences clean, healed, and wiser. 
 

But when I look back on my life, I don't see any scenario where "younger me" wouldn't have chosen to experiment. And I don't judge him for that. He was struggling…a lot. And he was looking for an escape. And at the time, it was a lot of fun…until it wasn't.

 

 

Edited October 17 by Rihinvention

[Venice B]

Just now, blondeskinnyrich said:

'kinda understand'? 

The fact that he died is very sad and unfair. Him struggling with mental issues and addictions is a serious matter that might have taken a huge part in this tragedy and by all means should it be acknowledged, but it absolutely doesn't mean that we should turn a blind eye on his awful actions and allegations regarding his abuse and just act like he was the holiest of holies. He deserves to be mourned, but not blindly glorified.

Nobody is saying he was a saint, actually the opposite: he did bad things and he will never be able to make amends because he's now dead. Mourning also means mourning what ones life could've been and what he could've done to make things better for the ones he wronged. 

[blondeskinnyrich]

1 minute ago, Rihinvention said:

But then why demonise an addict for a choice they made 14 years ago when they were just a curious kid?

 

Throughout my life, I've had addictions to alcohol, marijuana, Xanax, and GHB/crystal meth (they went together). I also did a lot of cocaine and MDMA, but neither of those were a problem. They were just a lot of fun.

 

But, I came out of those experiences clean, healed, and wiser. 
 

But when I look back on my life, I don't see any scenario where "younger me" wouldn't have chosen to experiment. And I don't judge him for that. He was struggling…a lot. And he was looking for an escape.

I wanted to say I'm not judging anyone, but I guess my initial post was exactly that, so...

I don't think I mean to demonise the choice, more like make sure that we acknowledge that in some cases it might have been avoided.

[The7thStranger]

4 hours ago, getBusy said:

That user has the empathy of a brick 💀

Not true. Bricks offer support.

Edited October 17 by The7thStranger
Spelling error.

[blondeskinnyrich]

3 minutes ago, Venice B said:

Nobody is saying he was a saint, actually the opposite: he did bad things and he will never be able to make amends because he's now dead. Mourning also means mourning what ones life could've been and what he could've done to make things better for the ones he wronged. 

valid, i won't judge how people mourn

[dumbsparce]

I'm reading about a 911 call but then I open the articles and there's no mention of such a thing at all. And since when is 911 an international number in the first place?

[Rihinvention]

3 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

I'm reading about a 911 call but then I open the articles and there's no mention of such a thing at all. And since when is 911 an international number in the first place?

911 is just how American media channels report each national's emergency number. In Australia, it's 000, but an American reporter would still say 911. Furthermore, if you dial 911, it will automatically redirect you to that country's emergency services.
 

Argentinian news channels broadcasted it very quickly. I think the laws and journalistic integrity is very different there. His lawyers probably sent cease-and-desists super quickly, out of respect for the family.

In any case, the calls (and any circulating videos of Argentinian news channels broadcasting it) were in Spanish.

 

Edited October 17 by Rihinvention

[HausOfEnzo]

3 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

I'm reading about a 911 call but then I open the articles and there's no mention of such a thing at all. And since when is 911 an international number in the first place?

In Argentina, the emergency number for police, fire, and medical services is 911. This number can be dialed from any phone to reach emergency services nationwide.

[Burn]

2 minutes ago, dumbsparce said:

I'm reading about a 911 call but then I open the articles and there's no mention of such a thing at all. And since when is 911 an international number in the first place?

911 generally works in most countries due to how it's been popularised on American TV shows etc, a lot of other countries adopted it after that. E.g. the actual emergency number in the UK is 999, but if you dial 911 it works too.