celeb news Liam Payne (31) found dead in Buenos Aires

[Troll Idle]

This is devastating. Rest in peace

[genio]

6 minutes ago, HardBambi said:

Is there any proof of drugs or so? The video of him in the hotel doesn't look like anything druggy to me

There are alleged pictures of his hotel room and there's what appears to be coke in there. They also got a 911 call before his death saying that there's a man on drugs and/or alcohol. 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

people are going in so hard on his ex-girlfriend and they need to stop. its giving how people blamed ariana for mac's suicide in 2018

[xluvxduffxmusicx]

This is so sad. I've been upset since I first heard the news. Always wish he'd gotten the help he needed.

[blondeskinnyrich]

20 minutes ago, Cain said:

[...]a drug addiction is not some moral failing, it is a serious condition that is not someone's choice. Try to have some empathy ffs

I'm sorry, but is it not a choice, at least partially? You choose to try drugs, nobody forced him to try them... You phrased it as if it's something that could happen to anyone.

[Cbreezy]

As someone who lives on the Urban side of the forum and never stanned in any way (for 1D or Liam), I still find myself floored by this. 

 

Outside of the tragedy of it all, the next thing that has me most shocked is the lack of empathy by some on here and Twitter.

 

I actually understand indifference, but to be so ACTIVE and decidedly VOCAL in their disdain at this time is WILD to me and shows a total lack of human empathy. It is the equivalent of going out of one's way to be both hateful and spiteful. 

 

I am in NO WAY condoning any of what he has been accused of and there IS a chance it was all 100% true, but this practice of hearing an "accusation", effectively auto-believing it all (without seeing concrete evidence), and then immediately whipping out the pitchforks is SO bizarre to me. Ever heard of letting the case play out and giving all due process? I could never speak so confidently or passionately with my chest about something I wasn't privy to seeing without...concrete, irrefutable, facts. Which is what a court case helps uncover.

 

Nothing is new under the sun, so the public sphere has always been its own kind of judge and jury. But I legit think it's getting worse in this current era of social media. So much performative "support" when it's merely stan war drags dressed up as activism. IMO, the level of faux outrage tends to vary depending on how "liked" or "cool" a person is at the time.

 

For example, Justin Bieber. Granted he rightfully clapped back hard at his accuser with receipts, in the time before his response, I don't remember this avalanche of hate. There was a lot of defending and let's "wait and see". Similarly, I'm a POC and I don't see this enduring outrage over his "n-word" remarks...it feels like it's selectively brought up when it's "ok" to drag him, but generally, it's happily parked in history never to be spoken of. I point this out for no other reason than to highlight the sheer hypocrisy of some folk. 

 

THEN...and I really don't care if I get downvoted for this, there is factually levels to what we class as wrongoing. AGAIN, I must stress that if Liam did what he is accused of (the harrassment, stalking etc), then he should be held accountable. However, is it that hard for people to use their deductive reasoning to clock that there are monsters / monstrous actions (like a Weinstein and a Diddy and a Hitler if we are going there) and then there are problematic actions like what Liam was accused of. The two tiers are not the same. To create a false equivalency and actively celebrate someone's death as some kind of activism is so disingenuous and WACK. It's like do some of y'all have BIRD BRAINS?

 

This all supports my long-held belief that a lot of people simply consume "celebrity" as escapism from their real lives. They "cheer' for the "good guys" and "jeer" the "bad guys". They do away with the deductive reasoning they have to use in their "real life" and simply see a lot of these celebs as characters in a movie that they can project on in ways both good and bad.

 

I am the furthest thing from a celebrity apologist and, as mentioned, I literally only know 3-4 1D/Liam songs COMBINED but to sit back and read such sickening remarks actually f'd with me in regards of how trash some humans can be. Specifically when I know for a fact that had this been a person they knew in their REAL LIFE or they ever find themselves accused of something, their reaction would be markedly...different.

 

This will likely fly over most of the hateful hater's heads, but (not to sound faux-righteous) I legit hope it registers with...someone. Cus actively projecting bad energy has a pretty consistent way of coming back on the person doing it. 

Edited October 17, 2024 by Cbreezy

[Cain]

1 minute ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

I'm sorry, but is it not a choice, at least partially? You choose to try drugs, nobody forced him to try them... You phrased it as if it's something that could happen to anyone.

Yes, people do drugs, I did drugs, and I haven't done them in over a year because I grew out of them. Having a drug ADDICTION and dependancy is very heavily tied to mental wellbeing and your surroundings

 

Do you feel this way about people who 'choose' to drink alcohol as well? Or is that not a problem for you (until someone becomes addicted)? 

[Joey307]

2 minutes ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

I'm sorry, but is it not a choice, at least partially? You choose to try drugs, nobody forced him to try them... You phrased it as if it's something that could happen to anyone.

It might be initially but people turn to drugs for many external reasons…and once you're hooked it's extremely difficult to break free. 
 

Alcoholics can die if they try to stop drinking cold turkey. That's just one example. 

[Illyboy]

12 hours ago, YoungDreamer said:

Poor Bear omg RIP

wait are y'all calling him bear as in the gay slang or did people generally call him Bear as a nickname? (i didn't stan 1D so, sorry for the dumb question)

 

edit bc y'all are misunderstanding this: I didn't know that was his son's name so when I read that post I assumed it was a nickname for Liam

Edited October 17, 2024 by Illyboy

[CosTaSsSs]

This is extremely sad! 

[lillavend3r]

3 minutes ago, Illyboy said:

wait are y'all calling him bear as in the gay slang or did people generally call him Bear as a nickname? (i didn't stan 1D so, sorry for the dumb question)

Bear is his son's name sis 

[Illyboy]

Just now, lillavend3r said:

Bear is his son's name sis 

oops sorry I'm dumb

[blanterns]

So sad

 

[leightxn]

Tragic but I kinda seen this coming especially with everything going on recently. RIP. 

[Illyboy]

Anyways, I forgot to say it on my first post but this also surprised me and now after reading the first pages and finding out not only he had a son but also ppl were bullying him on the internet

May he rest in peace and those who contributed for this to happen to get worked up on it/think thoroughly on what they helped do

 

Edit: Like, literally I was listening to the best song ever the other day bc someone submitted it to a fancontest I moderate and I was making the recap for it like whoa. Still stunned lowkey.

Edited October 17, 2024 by Illyboy

[Mr. Mendes]

50 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Well, none of them have said anything yet, and generally you'd think that even PR fluff would have been dropped on their socials by now whether they had a falling out or not.

Not necessarily. It's not uncommon for celebrities to wait a little bit before making any sort of statements on something like this when someone close to them (in a professional capacity specifically) passes, especially under unclear circumstances. A statement will come, but I'm not surprised nothing came tonight. They need time and space, and I don't think they'll comment until they've gotten their minds around it a little more. They know how important that statement will be and how widely it'll be shared, so it will be handled when the moment is right. 

[Misguided Ghost]

This is absolutely shocking, he was so young and a father of a small child too :( 

 

[Mr. Mendes]

1 hour ago, TeeJay said:

My life was hell because of them and I had to fight everyday to survive and find a way to take care of myself and protect myself from those people as a kid, so no, they are not people who deserve respect because they CHOSE to use drugs.

I was in the same situation. My father and the years of abuse I took off him was because of his drug abuse. I do hope one day though you will be able to come to a place where you see that they were sick and their addiction was not a choice, but a compulsion. It took me a long time to get there, only after he died really, but it's somehow a little freeing to get to that point. 

Edited October 17, 2024 by Mr. Mendes

[imabadkid]

55 minutes ago, New Edition said:

 

To me that just says it's hitting them hard. Praying for them

same tbh. I mean Niall just literally was with him. No matter what happened between them as adults, I'm sure they share a social bond, they grew up together.

[Mr. Mendes]

19 minutes ago, blondeskinnyrich said:

You phrased it as if it's something that could happen to anyone.

It can, and it does. Anyone could become a drug addict for any reason. Not everyone who becomes one got that way because they decided to just go out on the street one day and start. Some people become addicts because they were legitimately prescribed medication by a doctor and ended up becoming addicted to it. Some people become addicts because the environment they grew up in encouraged drug usage and they were too young to think critically about what they were doing. There's a lot of pathways into drug addiction that do not involve someone just randomly making a choice to try a drug knowing full well what the risks of it are. 

[blondeskinnyrich]

25 minutes ago, Cain said:

Yes, people do drugs, I did drugs, and I haven't done them in over a year because I grew out of them. Having a drug ADDICTION and dependancy is very heavily tied to mental wellbeing and your surroundings

 

Do you feel this way about people who 'choose' to drink alcohol as well? Or is that not a problem for you (until someone becomes addicted)? 

How does that disprove my point? Did I say 'everyone who tries drugs becomes addicts'? No.

And yes, I do feel the same about alcoholics. You won't see me supporting any of them, because I do think there are better ways of coping with your mental struggles than reaching for alocohol, but of course they are not as easy as this. 

Edited October 17, 2024 by blondeskinnyrich

[blondeskinnyrich]

22 minutes ago, Joey307 said:

It might be initially but people turn to drugs for many external reasons…and once you're hooked it's extremely difficult to break free. 
 

Alcoholics can die if they try to stop drinking cold turkey. That's just one example. 

That's exactly my point.

[blondeskinnyrich]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

It can, and it does. Anyone could become a drug addict for any reason. Not everyone who becomes one got that way because they decided to just go out on the street one day and start. Some people become addicts because they were legitimately prescribed medication by a doctor and ended up becoming addicted to it. Some people become addicts because the environment they grew up in encouraged drug usage and they were too young to think critically about what they were doing. There's a lot of pathways into drug addiction that do not involve someone just randomly making a choice to try a drug knowing full well what the risks of it are. 

Your point is valid, I agree.

[SchmoodRing]

26 minutes ago, blanterns said:

So sad

 

This is so sad. He clearly was trying to move forward. And these are the right people to have as company that would've guided him on the right path. Unfortunately with his struggles for however long recently I think his ex coming out with those allegations triggered a relapse. He had an episode hence why his girlfriend left him. He threw a tantrum and everything probably hit him and he saw no way out. This is honestly so dark and depressing. Their no privacy but also no truth out at the same time he feels. The guys were all amicable and the fandom was even hoping a reunion of some sort would happen down the line. He became an unnecessary punching for stupid reasons. I knew something was up when he randomly went m.i.a. then had work done and was just visibly out here on drugs then body shamed then him and Cheryl split and just the other day before all of this there were multiple videos going viral of people hating and wanting nothing to do with him. In that last Snapchat video the way he looks visibly upset and stunted when his girlfriend says "all we do is sleep in. We're both loosers." The way he pauses and looks at her and says "no we're not" with such a forced fake happy smile is heartbreaking. 

 

Their was also another video where he mentioned he was spending time with his son and how his son looks exactly like him followed by him apologizing because the workd doesn't like him already so why would they want more or another him around and he looked so visibly sad. Ya would've learned after Britney to ******* stop this nonsense. But ya did it to JLo this year too and were quick to be against, sexist, misogynistic, **** shame and debate of charts and stats like Dx these people are still human beings stop it!

[Alaska.]

This feels so weird. I was never a directioner or anything, but I think it would be nice if they were able to reunite in the future for the fans. Even if it was just for a couple of events.

 

I didn't know anything about the drama surrounding him, but I just don't like seeing posts celebrating someone's death if they weren't blatantly evil (again, I'm not totally sure about the grooming allegations and things like that, so he might be a lot worse that I think he was)