byzantium Posted October 15 Posted October 15 7 minutes ago, Tylerbv said: Girl give me another plausible option and my ears are open I'm not telling you how to vote. Do what you want. 2 1
byzantium Posted October 15 Posted October 15 9 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said: That doesn't change the fact that there is an election to be had and there are other things at stake for US domestic policy that - yes- would make this situation even worse. Maybe Im naive - but I expect a Kamala presidency to push Netanyahu. I think her hands are tied rn - right or wrong Then vote for Kamala if that is how you feel. I'm not going to guilt anyone for participating in the system even if flawed. 1
Tylerbv Posted October 15 Posted October 15 Just now, byzantium said: I'm not telling you how to vote. Do what you want. I'm not American so I can't vote, but protesting the more progressive candidate is a waste of time unless you're a bigot 1 8
Communion Posted October 15 Author Posted October 15 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PoisonPill said: Since becoming the nominee though, she has given indications that she would be tougher on Israel than Biden has. Can you give examples? She has rebuked any suggestion of breaking with Biden and has even been more aggressive at times than Biden, outwardly accusing Iran of having "American blood on its hands" and promising lethal revenge? Edited October 15 by Communion 7
Shelter Posted October 15 Posted October 15 The videos are horrible. Do people really think they will go against Israel though? The US needs Israel too much. Also at this point a 2 state solution is never going to work imo, too much has happened, sadly. Do you think different? 2
byzantium Posted October 15 Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, Tylerbv said: I'm not American so I can't vote, but protesting the more progressive candidate is a waste of time unless you're a bigot People protesting the burning of children are bigots now? How about you go focus on your own country. 6
noodlelymph Posted October 15 Posted October 15 12 minutes ago, Tylerbv said: Okay but thats not gonna win an election. We don't have the time. I don't think the Dem party/Kamala should win the election for this reason. If they get away with this genocide electorally it enables them to continue committing atrocities against humanity because they won't receive any pushback from their base. As for her base and voters, this as much on you all as it is on her. You are tacitly endorsing this woman's decision to continue this genocide. 2 1 1
Vixen Eyes Posted October 15 Posted October 15 i wish morw people cared about voting third party. i absolutely would prefer to vote third party, but like i said, not enough people vote third party to even consider them having any chance of winning
Vixen Eyes Posted October 15 Posted October 15 3 minutes ago, Communion said: Can you give examples? She has rebuked any suggestion of breaking with Biden and has even been more aggressive at times than Biden, outwardly accusing Iran of having "American blood on its hands" and promising lethal revenge? wait what did iran do? i thought it was saudi arabia?
noodlelymph Posted October 15 Posted October 15 6 minutes ago, PoisonPill said: She currently has no power to do anything meaningful. VP is a symbolic role and cannot publicly go against any of the President's policy positions. Since becoming the nominee though, she has given indications that she would be tougher on Israel than Biden has. She literally said that she Will unequivocally support "Israel's right to defend itself" in the debate, 60 min interview, and joint interview with walz…. You all can NOT infantilize the role of VP as second in command of this admin. She has more power than anyone other than Biden to stop this. Be Forreal 5
SmittenCake Posted October 15 Posted October 15 7 minutes ago, Shelter said: Also at this point a 2 state solution is never going to work imo
byzantium Posted October 15 Posted October 15 3 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: You all can NOT infantilize the role of VP as second in command of this admin. She has more power than anyone other than Biden to stop this. Be Forreal Ok, I don't really care for Kamala and don't want to defend her but this isn't really true. The only true power Kamala has is the tiebreaker vote and anything the president delegates. Biden has demonstrated himself to delicate very little so she really does not have that much power compared to the speaker or senate majority leader, or Supreme Court justices. They are all going to HeII though with the rest of the Zionist. 1
Mistah.Beyonce Posted October 15 Posted October 15 1 hour ago, Virgos Groove said: I think Kamala's refusal to do something about LIKE WHAT? 1
Communion Posted October 15 Author Posted October 15 5 minutes ago, Mistah.Beyonce said: LIKE WHAT? Announce she will be signing an executive order to halt all arms sales to Israel the moment she becomes president. The "she's VP, she can't do anything" rhetoric you've copied and pasted from twitter doesn't work to anyone who can see her campaigning on being a staunch defender of Israel in office. 7
Marianah Adkins Posted October 15 Posted October 15 Zionists are some of the most scum people alive I'm not even kidding. The way they dehumanize not only Palestinians but also other peoples such as Lebanese and the Irish is giving Hitler's cohorts a run for their money. I used to believe that a two state solution is needed for peace but with the way Israel has lost its mind and sense of international comity, maybe its true that a new state or a new order must be established from the land to the sea. 4 1
bad guy Posted October 15 Posted October 15 "She's VP she can't do anything" is not entirely true and is just being used to push the blame all onto Biden. She could easily push back against Biden both privately and publicly if she wanted to, especially since she literally has nothing to lose since he's dropped out. And if the VP can't do anything, then why was she tasked with border security? If the VP role is obsolete why do VP's get tasked anything throughout every administration for the last 100 years? Her complete ineffectiveness as VP doesn't mean the position itself is useless. If it was so useless why would her being the first female VP matter then? You can't have it both ways. She does have a powerful position but simply aligns with Biden on Israel. Simple as that. 3
teresaguidice Posted October 15 Posted October 15 2 hours ago, PoisonPill said: Since becoming the nominee though, she has given indications that she would be tougher on Israel than Biden has. this is just simply not true. 1 1 1
Nova_23 Posted October 15 Posted October 15 I change my mind. I no longer will be supporting Harris in this election. The video of that man burning alive is forever etched in my brain. Why should I care whether Harris gets elected or not when she clearly doesn't care that my people are burning alive? 3
family.guy123 Posted October 15 Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, Nova_23 said: I change my mind. I no longer will be supporting Harris in this election. The video of that man burning alive is forever etched in my brain. Why should I care whether Harris gets elected or not when she clearly doesn't care that my people are burning alive? Thanks for letting us know. 1 7
Windy Day Posted October 15 Posted October 15 5 hours ago, Tylerbv said: I'm not American so I can't vote, but protesting the more progressive candidate is a waste of time unless you're a bigot oh my god democracy is ******* dead yall truly have your brains rotten beyond repair
Tylerbv Posted October 15 Posted October 15 6 hours ago, Windy Day said: oh my god democracy is ******* dead yall truly have your brains rotten beyond repair What is the solution then, genius? Not like Trump is going to stop the genocide. If you can't see that both options are awful, but you have to pick one, then…
Windy Day Posted October 15 Posted October 15 8 minutes ago, Tylerbv said: What is the solution then, genius? Not like Trump is going to stop the genocide. If you can't see that both options are awful, but you have to pick one, then… heard of criticizing and protesting the candidate that is more inclined to do anything to push them to change / propose policies before the elections?? they're the ones chasing the votes and campaigning. you have the right to vote but also a voice you can use to change the candidates' policies. this is also true in whatever country you live in
Harrier Posted October 15 Posted October 15 12 hours ago, Communion said: Announce she will be signing an executive order to halt all arms sales to Israel the moment she becomes president. The "she's VP, she can't do anything" rhetoric you've copied and pasted from twitter doesn't work to anyone who can see her campaigning on being a staunch defender of Israel in office. This is a completely fair and sound stance that I agree with, but it is also not fair to place videos like this one at squarely at Kamalas feet suggesting she is personally responsible, that she loves this and wants Palestinians to suffer. Or worse, to make the asburd bombastic suggestions that Kamala and Doug are ******* with this video in the background. I mean how can such a post possibly be getting upvotes from yall? I get that it's angry venting in response to horrific images but it's also just like a truly deranged thing to post. I suppose it could be effective as a rhetorical strategy guilting people, but I worry that people posting this stuff actually believe it. The truth is as VP Kamala is not in control of this, beyond taking the stance you suggest, there isn't much else she can do. Even Biden only really has macro power, and cant control the day to day operations of the IOF. These are the IOFs disgusting actions first and foremost. Biden has completely failed on this issue and I welcome heat for it, but why are yall incapable of making these criticisms without departing into wacky over the top territory that talks about people as Nazi supervillains who jerk off to dead kids or whatever, rather than actually looking at their actions, and what can reasnobly be done to force Israel's course away from genocide without giving Iran a green light to blow up Tel Aviv 1
Letemtalk Posted October 16 Posted October 16 On 10/15/2024 at 1:39 PM, IBeMe said: Exactly. Biden is steeped in this disgusting ideology…Kamala is just an empty suit who will mild herself in any way she deems electable. Heartbreaking On 10/15/2024 at 1:59 PM, SeeingStars1515 said: Maybe Im naive - but I expect a Kamala presidency to push Netanyahu. I think her hands are tied rn - right or wrong On 10/15/2024 at 2:07 PM, PoisonPill said: She currently has no power to do anything meaningful. VP is a symbolic role and cannot publicly go against any of the President's policy positions. Since becoming the nominee though, she has given indications that she would be tougher on Israel than Biden has. Please tell me you don't really believe that Kamala Harris is some sort of innocent bystander who will be tough on Israel when Biden is gone. If Kamala wins, she is likely to be the most Zionist President of recent years, if not of all time. Here is Vice President Kamala Harris and Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff host a Passover seder in the Vice President's Residence, serving wine from the Psagot settlement winery, on April 16, 2022. https://www.timesofisrael.com/kamala-harris-serves-wine-made-in-west-bank-settlement-at-passover-seder/ Please note, they chose settlement wine - not just Israeli wine, but wine from an illegal settlement in the occupied West Bank. I'm sure her advisers knew what message that was sending to the pro-Israel lobby. How many other senior Democrats are drinking settlement wine? She has been actively in supporting Zionism since she was a child, when she would go around collecting donations to grow trees in Israel. https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/06/09/vp-haris-honored-with-blue-kkl-jnf-box-following-israel-speech/ You might ask, well what's wrong with growing trees? Trees are used to displace Bedouin and allow Israel to create nature reserve areas that are off limits to Palestinians. https://www.972mag.com/bedouin-village-of-atir-to-be-replaced-with-forest-of-yatir/ https://jacobin.com/2024/03/israel-afforestation-jnf-naqab-displacement Quote Immediately following the Nakba, Zionists used trees to conceal the ruins of destroyed Palestinian communities and to discourage their displaced residents from returning. Those Palestinian communities still left standing were sometimes ringed with "nature reserves," allowing the state to confiscate private Palestinian land for ostensible public use while simultaneously preventing the future growth of those communities. Do you really think that this woman that drinks settlement wine and as a girl collected money to plant trees in Israel and the occupied West Bank, is really going to turn around and stop arms going to Israel when she takes power? Can you tell me the names of any past Presidents that drank settlement wine and collected money for Israel as a child? Can you tell me the names of any other senior Democrats that did those things? On 10/16/2024 at 3:04 AM, Harrier said: The truth is as VP Kamala is not in control of this, beyond taking the stance you suggest, there isn't much else she can do. Even Biden only really has macro power, and cant control the day to day operations of the IOF. These are the IOFs disgusting actions first and foremost. Biden has completely failed on this issue and I welcome heat for it, but why are yall incapable of making these criticisms without departing into wacky over the top territory that talks about people as Nazi supervillains who jerk off to dead kids or whatever, rather than actually looking at their actions, and what can reasnobly be done to force Israel's course away from genocide without giving Iran a green light to blow up Tel Aviv This has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the President and Vice-President of the worlds only global superpower and you're trying to suggest that they're powerless. Israel is the only nuclear armed regional superpower in the region, and Israel is also an arms exporter Quote Exports In 2022, Israel exported $357M in Weapons, making it the 17th largest exporter of Weapons in the world. At the same year, Weapons was the 16th most exported product in Israel. The main destination of Weapons exports from Israel are: United States ($123M), Philippines ($65.7M), India ($41.1M), Thailand ($27.1M), and Spain ($12M). They're not going to be defenceless if the US cuts off arms supplies. But you don't need as many weapons for defence as you do to bomb multiple countries on the same day. Perhaps without US weapons and US billions of $ they wouldn't be able to bomb hospitals and burn children in Gaza, and attack UN peace keepers in Lebanon at the same time. Also we need to be honest about Biden, anyone supplying weapons to support a genocide is an evil person. People that vote for this evil to continue are evil people. 2 1
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