celeb news Warner exec debuts misogyny, blames Gaga' interpretation of Harley for alienating men

[byzantium]

I have not seen the movie, but I have to wonder, between the director, screenwriter, executives, producers and lead actor, how many men had control over this film? 

[Mamamo]

Yes Gaga, yes alienating the audience 

[Dula Peep]

It's still just blows my mind that they didn't do any test screening  

[Vermillion]

6 hours ago, Thickorita said:

Are gay men not men?

 

There's so many bizarre layers to unpack in terms of current culture with this exec's statement, this being one of them that stuck out for me.

 

First and foremost, the exec is psychosexualizing it as many of them still do even post #MeToo - his elephant in the room is he's essentially saying that any of the straight white incels that weren't already turned off by the knowledge they may or may not have had that this was a musical then gave this a shot and hated it because they didn't want to **** Gaga.

 

Why he's choosing to provide cover for the editor who's career wasn't exactly steady either compared to her is beyond me. Maybe they're friends.

 

As for the diversity of a possible gay male audience, the exec doesn't have the time or patience for any subtlety, apparently.

 

The breakdown of who the audience was coming for already covered here speaks for itself. If Gaga does deserve blame she shouldn't even be top 3, and I don't say that as a stan or hater.

[Komet]

She's barely in the movie skjsjks

[MCMXCV]

7 hours ago, Capris Groove said:

It's not that a woman was cast it's that Gaga was cast.

 

Of course comic book stans don't want to go see Gaga belt out jazz and Broadway showtunes, like be serious.

I'm sorry but do you genuinely believe it was Lady Gaga's decision to make this movie into a jazz musical? 
 

7 hours ago, Walk_Away21 said:

not him actually saying Gaga is box office poison @bjorn

Weird, I seem to recall ASIB being a smash and HOG being the biggest drama of the pandemic.  

[The Next Day]

7 hours ago, Navyofbadgals said:

Todd Philips and Joaquin Phoenix were the biggest driving forces creatively. The poor choices that the movie made are almost fully on them

Exactly what I thought. They can't blame her talent cause she's getting praised for it, so now they try to say it was her creative decision alone on how to portray Harley? Isn't that the director's task first and foremost? And didn't the director cut out scenes specifically because he didn't like some of Gaga's portrayal decisions? I just don't get how out of the dozens of men who were in control, they try to blame the reception on the only woman.

Edited October 8 by The Next Day

[shyboi]

the core audience for this are basic, straight, h*rny men, all they wanted was to  objectify an attractive Harley played by a bombshell in her late twenties or early thirties with the right balance of crazy - sexy 

 

that, no music and a basic, watered down plot like Bonny and Clyde would've done the trick

 

Gaga was miscast, but it wasn't her fault at all. 

[State of Grace.]

If we want to use our brains for a second, the movie was supposed to be a musical even before Gaga was cast. Todd Phillips wrote the script, which was constantly changed throughout filming. It was reported that he had complete freedom and creative control over it and the budget was out of control. Instead of blaming the actress, I think we should point fingers at the terrible and incompetent director. And I don't think this narrative will stick considering 99% of reviews are highlighting her performance as the film's saving grace. I liked Joker 1, but it really made him believe that he's an auteur when in reality the film was Taxi Driver and King of Comedy rehashed and he was blatantly ripping off Scorsese.

 

I still have no freaking idea who the target audience for this movie is, but I guess this sums it up

 

 

Edited October 8 by State of Grace.

[Breathe On Moi]

the dissertations  in shambles 

[DAP]

Oh well. Better sell that 3rd mega yacht if they want their money back. 

[POPTART]

Not when we know they cut her scenes, including THAT one that "got in the way of music".

 

Of course they would blame a women, instead of their stupid decisions.

[Giorgoc]

Let's be for real.

The movie was gonna be a musical before Gaga was even cast - as confirmed by the director and Joaquin themselves - so they had lost the Joker 1 fans the second they decided to film a sequel. They brought Gaga in since she brings a big female and gay male audience with her, and that would be the only audience the film would have since it became a musical.

They then decided to minimize Gaga's role in the film, so Gaga's audience was turned off and checked out.

 

I saw the movie and it was bad. Gaga's Harley portrayal was good. Nothing groundbreaking but good. Harley's ROLE was trash. Total and utter trash.

 

Blaming Gaga for the failure is completely ridiculous since the movie itself was boring af. Nothing any actor could've done would've changed that.

[Space Cowboy]

Warner exec is right. The GP doesn't want to watch a lady gaga musical.

[Giorgoc]

Just now, Space Cowboy said:

Warner exec is right. The GP doesn't want to watch a lady gaga musical.

A Star Is Born is right there laughing at you.

[Space Cowboy]

6 minutes ago, Giorgoc said:

A Star Is Born is right there laughing at you.

A fluke. Thanks Bradley

[Miracle]

7 hours ago, Verandi said:

Ohhhh grab your popcorn this isn't the campaign run we wanted but it's the campaign run we needed. The girls are fighting, Gaga make your next move 

This is absolutely beneficial to Gaga. This is exactly what happened to Taylor...blamed about everything for being a woman. Gaga needs to capitalize on this chauvinism, cause thats what it is.

[EriKills]

Even if she is the best part of the film, it hasn't stopped a lot of people saying they don't want to go see "the Lady Gaga musical" 

 

She's not the sole reason obviously but in hindsight she wasn't the safest choice to go with considering the original movie's target audience. 

[Titanbaddie]

Saw the movie, something very off-putting about her Harley, maybe they should've gone with an experienced actress who knows how to make something from a nothing script. 

[Corso]

The problem is the script. They could have did the same story without the music and without Gaga and it still would be a flop.

[EdgeofTeeth]

This and Todd's weird statement about the improvised kiss on the stairs are royally pissing me off

 

It would be one thing if Gaga actually wasn't good in the role, but she was, and that's not even considering that she was literally one of the only universally praised aspects of the movie. Everything about this film was a HUGE risk from the very beginning and these thin attempts to deflect blame onto one of the movie's clear redeeming factors is.... very telling.

[Giorgoc]

18 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

A fluke. Thanks Bradley

So she's been in two musicals, one where she's the lead and one where she's a supporting actress.
The one where she's the lead is mega successful so it's automatically the fluke?

 

In order for something to be a "fluke" there have to be many failed tries and a single successful one. Then you can call it a fluke.

 

[Femininomenon]

The most hated woman on the planet rn 

Edited October 8 by Femininomenon

[tshwark]

Learn from beyonce and stop pretending you are this talented actress, the public is starting to punish gaga playing gaga.

[Jay07]

Todd Phillips wrote the character and cast Gaga because they didn't want the traditional Harley and they talked about that extensively. The film also didn't have any test screenings which is insane for a 200 millon movie so this is down to the director and the executives. Gaga simply executed on what she was asked. If they wanted the typical sexualized Harley with the accent, they wouldn't cast Gaga.

 

The entire film is an indictment of the Joker character and the fans that held him up as an incel icon. It is essentially a 200 million repudiation of its own fandom. Of course it failed.

 

 

Edited October 8 by Jay07