celeb news Ethel Cain defends Chapell Roan, drags Kamala

[Uncatena]

2 minutes ago, JO1s said:

I think you guys miss the whole point and why a lot of people don't buy the pro Palestine grandstanding people do online. It's always criticism for democrats that I hear from most of y'all, very little criticism of the right. 

Maybe that's because the genocide is currently happening and being staunchly supported by Democrats?

[JO1s]

1 minute ago, Uncatena said:

Maybe that's because the genocide is currently happening and being staunchly supported by Democrats?

Say you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about.

[State of Grace.]

1 minute ago, Uncatena said:

Im curios to know what their "worse" is as well. It literally couldn't be worse for the Palestinian people. They are being bombed, tortured, raped, starved and withheld basic hygine. Imagine every single human rights violation imaginable and its most likely occurring in Palestine right now.

Just like they keep telling us "let's vote for Kamala then push her left on Gaza! she's not president yet!". I wonder how much of Gaza will even be left by January 2025 at this rate? How many more real beheaded babies do they want to see? How many more dead people in Palestine/Lebanon can they tolerate? The Trump whataboutisms make no sense.

[visions]

6 minutes ago, on the line said:

If your rhetoric becomes so extreme that Trump fans/voters are agreeing with you, you're the problem. That is my point.

When a leftist (or whoever) criticises democrats for any of the many reasons they have given us and a right wing Trumper then agrees with said criticism does not in turn make the leftist a Trumper or any further right. 

 

If I said I don't endorse Kamala because of x, y, and z, I don't control who can, nor have any responsibility to whoever may agree with me. 

[Uncatena]

1 minute ago, JO1s said:

Say you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about.

Are Biden and Harris Democrats?

[SpaceOddity]

1 hour ago, visions said:

I'm sorry but you lack critical thinking skills if you genuinely thought Chappell was taking a centrist approach with her comments. All she said was that Kamala is not worthy of her endorsement either, which she isn't. 

 

No person who isn't vehemently opposed to what Israel is doing right now, is worthy of any kind of endorsement. 

 

I wish she phrased it better to stop the low IQ individuals making a song and dance and acting as though she's this big hypocrite when they didn't even read the full quote of she said. 

1 hour ago, Uncatena said:

Ethel is calling out the hyprocisy of so called Pro-Palestinians who have absolutely no problem with voting for Kamala and taking part of the memefication. And no, by that I don't mean they shouldn't vote for her, but they won't even hold her accountable or even reckon with the fact that she, at the end of the day, is pro-murder of the Palestianian people, regardless of the fact that she is "the lesser of two evils", whatever the **** that even means anymore.

 

Of course this thread will probably derail once again, with people refusing to see the point and thinking Ethel is telling people to not vote for for her. Nuance is dead and we killed it. 

 

1 hour ago, Uncatena said:

 We owe to the Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian and other Middle Eastern folks to hold people who support their ruthless and indiscriminatory killing accountable and that's all these two women are asking of people. To keep that in mind while in the voting booth and beyond. The fact that this is still not clicking, and that they are being called "insufferable" for it is nothing but a reflection on your complacency.

Finally some common ******* sense in this forum.

[JO1s]

Just now, Uncatena said:

Are Biden and Harris Democrats?

Does america have a one party system?

[Wicked]

I gotta ask how y'alls life been the last 4 years, cause some of these posts are interesting

 

The way some of y'all think Palestine is the only thing people have an issue with is crazy. 

 

Anyway, Chappell is voting for Kamala so what else is there to say, you got what you needed to hear lol

[DAP]

21 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

Im still trying to figure out if this is meant in a satirical way because if it's not, it's perhaps the most unhinged post I've ever read on this forum.

Don't worry, I am joking. Can't say the same for many people here sadly but at least they can know what they sound like.

 

[Uncatena]

Just now, JO1s said:

Does america have a one party system?

Is the party currently in power in the White House, supporting the genocide, democratic?

[JO1s]

1 minute ago, Uncatena said:

Is the party currently in power in the White House, supporting the genocide, democratic?

So trump is anti genocide?

[Uncatena]

2 minutes ago, DAP said:

Don't worry, I am joking. Can't say the same for many people here sadly but at least they can know what they sound like.

 

Okay my autistic ass really wasn't sure there for a moment lmfao 

[on the line]

3 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

Is the party currently in power in the White House, supporting the genocide, democratic?

Is there any party currently or not in power who will actually occupy the White House in 2025 that doesn't support the genocide?

[Uncatena]

Just now, JO1s said:

So trump is anti genocide?

No. Now answer my question.

[Uncatena]

Just now, on the line said:

Is there any party currently or not in power who will actually occupy the White House in 2025 that doesn't support the genocide?

Is the person we are talking in this very thread Kamala Harris, who wants to be president? 

[Communion]

23 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

I know people are saying Ethel is trans, but I don't think that absolves her of privilege.

I really don't know another way to say it but this whole issue with Roan has revealed some of you and liberals online as just... not actually equipped for this. 

 

That none of you actually understood the rhetoric or ideas or discourse you claimed to support throughout the 2010s and don't actually know how to navigate it now. Some you see your tongue trip over lexicon like "privilege" with no actual material understanding of privilege to mean a material relationship.

 

So you find yourselves scolding people within the very demographics or within the very material relationships that largely define the experiences of the marginalized communities who either 1) make up most non-voters or 2) the progressive Democratic base who is being further pushed to the sidelines for the courting of rich voters.

 

Harris is endorsing rapid deportations and tearing undocumented children away from their parents because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is endorsing industrialization that poisons drinking water and boils the planet alive because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is running on her record of proudly locking up criminals (read: trans women of color and queer people for sex work) because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is distancing herself from policies that inherently and disproportionately help poor people like universal healthcare because she is courting privileged people.

 

There's no way to understand the conflict at hand or the contradictions of the campaign Harris is trying to run without acknowledging the reality that Harris is running a deeply conservative-coded campaign that is courting deeply privileged voters (the highly educated, highly affluent white voters).

 

You - as in liberals in the general sense - look silly and deeply unserious trying to wield privilege rhetoric for your means but then be unable to answer to how Harris has contorted herself into whatever candidate privileged Never-Trump Republicans want to see.

 

You know who is privileged? Dick Cheney. The kind of person Harris is abandoning all of her past morals + views to court the endorsement of.

Edited September 27 by Communion

[Wicked]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

I really don't know another way to say it but this whole issue with Roan has revealed some of you and liberals online to just not... actually equipped for this. 

 

That none of you actually understood the rhetoric or ideas or discourse you claimed to support throughout the 2010s and don't actually know how to navigate it now.

Some you see your tongue trip over lexicon like "privilege" with no actual material understanding of privilege to mean a material relationship.

 

So you find yourselves scolding people within the very demographics or within the very material relationships that largely define the experiences of the marginalized communities who either 1) make up most non-voters or 2) the progressive Democratic base who is being further pushed to the sidelines for the courting of rich voters.

 

Harris is endorsing rapid deportations and tearing undocumented children away from their parents because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is endorsing industrialization that poisons drinking water and boils the planet alive because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is running on her record of proudly locking up criminals (read: trans women of color and queer people for sex work) because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is distancing herself from policies that inherently and disproportionately help poor people like universal healthcare because she is courting privileged people.

 

There's no way to understand the conflict at hand over the contradictions of the campaign Harris is trying to run without acknowledging the reality that Harris is running a deeply conservative-coded campaign that is courting deeply privileged voters (the highly educated, highly affluent white voters). You look silly and deeply unserious trying to wield privilege rhetoric for your means but then be unable to answer to how Harris has contorted herself into whatever candidate privileged Never-Trump Republicans want to see.

They've been calling members of these marginalized communities they claim to champion MAGAts and sell outs because they either don't want to support Harris at all or begrudenly will vote for her but don't like it and are vocal about it 

Edited September 27 by Wicked

[SpaceOddity]

 

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

I really don't know another way to say it but this whole issue with Roan has revealed some of you and liberals online to just not... actually equipped for this. 

 

That none of you actually understood the rhetoric or ideas or discourse you claimed to support throughout the 2010s and don't actually know how to navigate it now.

Some you see your tongue trip over lexicon like "privilege" with no actual material understanding of privilege to mean a material relationship.

 

So you find yourselves scolding people within the very demographics or within the very material relationships that largely define the experiences of the marginalized communities who either 1) make up most non-voters or 2) the progressive Democratic base who is being further pushed to the sidelines for the courting of rich voters.

 

Harris is endorsing rapid deportations and tearing undocumented children away from their parents because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is endorsing industrialization that poisons drinking water and boils the planet alive because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is running on her record of proudly locking up criminals (read: trans women of color and queer people for sex work) because she is courting privileged people.

Harris is distancing herself from policies that inherently and disproportionately help poor people like universal healthcare because she is courting privileged people.

 

There's no way to understand the conflict at hand over the contradictions of the campaign Harris is trying to run without acknowledging the reality that Harris is running a deeply conservative-coded campaign that is courting deeply privileged voters (the highly educated, highly affluent white voters). You look silly and deeply unserious trying to wield privilege rhetoric for your means but then be unable to answer to how Harris has contorted herself into whatever candidate privileged Never-Trump Republicans want to see.

They have literally dehumanized whatever has been happening for the past few months in their brains so much they can't actually empathize or care about anything besides their own privilege. The horrors that are currently occurring are worth the hollow promises of a bratty girlboss!!!!111 who'll offer false security without changing a single thing. And if you oppose to that, you're a Trumpie. 

[suburbannature]

17 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

Maybe that's because the genocide is currently happening and being staunchly supported by Democrats?

The Republican presidential candidate just openly stated he wanted to eradicate Palestine. 

[MonsterTown]

americans are crazy over politics.. and stans will eat you over politics.

[Uncatena]

5 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

The Republican presidential candidate just openly stated he wanted to eradicate Palestine. 

okay, so he is just as bad as the democratic presidential candidate and current democratic president, got it. like, yes Trump is most likely also a genocidial maniac who would continue the genocide that the current democratic administration helped start and continues to enable in any way possible. the very party that wants to stay in office. 

[anastaciabby]

Again, why isn't anyone answering with a genuine politically knowledgeable response about why it's ok for rich artists/privileged people to push this rhetoric during this specific election and why you would be ok with a trump presidency.

 

Not the copy pasta that's posted about a one sided issue over and over by the same 3 people that have the audacity to say "lol libs are dumb!" when they never post an actual argument.

and it's ridiculous for people to say we don't care about Palestine, what would you know about what people have done in real life to help or what we studied? I can say alot more than some of you online warriors have 

[Into The Void]

1 hour ago, JO1s said:

It literally is why he won in 2016...

And they will thank themselves when he wins in November

[SpaceOddity]

2 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

okay, so he is just as bad as the democratic presidential candidate and current democratic president, got it. like, yes Trump is most likely also a genocidial maniac who would continue the genocide that the current democratic administration helped start and continues to enable in any way possible. the very party that wants to stay in office. 

The fact that you have to explain this.

[Uncatena]

1 minute ago, anastaciabby said:

Again, why isn't anyone answering with a genuine politically knowledgeable response about why it's ok for rich artists/privileged people to push this rhetoric during this specific election and why you would be ok with a trump presidency.

maybe people would respond to you if they took your arguments seriously and didn't know they were in bad faith x