celeb news Ethel Cain defends Chapell Roan, drags Kamala

[#Beautiful]

 

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Just now, Vermillion said:

You ignored parts of my post which is fine I guess. On her stock portfolio and apologia for Assad among others (she slammed Putin to his face at the RT conference though and criticized the former later, albeit too late) I don't support Jill but that's not the point.

 

To win I guess people are betting on higher motivation on other issues such as abortion as has been discussed in Civics will help make up for those not voting for Kamala on Gaza. It may, but that data's hard to track at this point.

 

There seems to be an underlying fear that Chappell has enough sway to negate, just as a hypothetical, a sizeable portion of the actual increase of say, Gen Z women that Taylor is turning out according to the recent data on voter registrations, etc? As if her voice means that much?

 

In an Electoral College system, it comes down to the battleground states and all that makes Chappell relevant here is to what degree, frankly, she turns off white Gen Z women from voting at all. I think the notion of that happening to a level that matters has been WAY overhyped and overstated.

 

 

Lol, no.

 

We're just calling out how stupid it is to trash, on a national platform, the person you're still voting for when it's such a close race. Is it really that hard to understand?

[réveuse]

12 minutes ago, Ryan said:

 

 

So is Caitlyn Jenner. 

Comparing Ethel Cain, a leftist, to Caitlyn Jenner, a certified Republican, is INSANE.

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6 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

Lmao no it will not

You're a Susan Collins deja vu!

[visions]

2 minutes ago, on the line said:

I mean at this point you have literal Trump fans (voters if they were American) liking your posts, sis. You don't need to tell us what we already know: you've gone so far left you've gone right.

 This is the kinda **** I'm talking about btw. Saying rightful criticism of democrats or the left means you have to be right wing is just so wrong it's scary. 

 

EVERY politician and EVERY party must be scrutinised at ALL times. And this scrutiny does NOT equate to support for the other side. 

[anastaciabby]

do those 2 members that spam the same copy paste response about "the libs" have anything else to say?

 

I don't know what some of you aren't getting about this specific election, have some of you taken your head out of the privileged bubble you're in like these celebs are to stop and think about the consequences of "I don't have to vote! third party!!1"? Do some of you know how hard it is right now for poc/woc in Texas right now? The things happening in Georgia? The fact trump is going to encourage Israel ten fold?

 

[State of Grace.]

5 minutes ago, on the line said:

Lol, no.

 

We're just calling out how stupid it is to trash, on a national platform, the person you're still voting for when it's such a close race. Is it really that hard to understand?

The brain rot I keep reading from these Liberals....How is it stupid to criticize politicians and pressure them to do better, even if you're still voting for them eventually? "shut up and don't say anything bad about momala!!" 

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, on the line said:

you've gone so far left you've gone right.

You literally have posts saying that the vast majority of homeless people choose to be homeless and are just lazy drug addicts who deserve to be institutionalized because you find their poverty unsightly.  

 

Such insane posts are literally part of the kind of person I'm describing whose existence and presence has made the Democratic party worse.

15 minutes ago, Communion said:

Genuinely wish the worst for the kind of uppity, affluent suburban voters Dems have abandoned marginalized people in order to court.

 

 

Edited September 26 by Communion

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4 minutes ago, visions said:

 This is the kinda **** I'm talking about btw. Saying rightful criticism of democrats or the left means you have to be right wing is just so wrong it's scary. 

 

EVERY politician and EVERY party must be scrutinised at ALL times. And this scrutiny does NOT equate to support for the other side. 

That poster gets likes from other posters who have literally said they would vote for Trump bc he is morally superior over Harris.

 

Your inability to comprehend this is not the first thread on this topic is what is "so wrong it's scary."

[DAP]

Dems should just send the drones to people that question them because they want something better than what's being provided to them. This is getting out of control omg. 

[CottageHore]

20 minutes ago, #Beautiful said:

a very fair thing to criticize the moment we make sure the fascist doesnt make it back into the office. never said these topics shouldn't be discussed. i just dont see how its productive to bring that up now, pushing people to vote 3rd party which is basically a vote for trump. time and place

Nobody mentioned third party but you, love. Critiquing a current administration and pushing them to be more progressive and for ALL people is not urging people to vote 3rd party, it's called practicing your first amendment right and speaking out for marginalized people, people being killed, and demanding that the woman we are about to vote into office does the right thing. I can't believe this needs to be explained to y'all, are you intentionally missing the point?

Edited September 26 by CottageHore

[Vermillion]

2 minutes ago, on the line said:

Lol, no.

 

We're just calling out how stupid it is to trash, on a national platform, the person you're still voting for when it's such a close race. Is it really that hard to understand?

There's data on Taylor increasing likely actual white Gen Z women on a level that comes about 3/4ths of the way close to Oprah 2008's impact, by comparison, on multiple demos. 

 

I don't see that with Roan here in the other direction with that same demo unless it's because there's just not data on it because she's a new(er) artist.

 

The people supporting Chappell here don't believe in Jane Fonda's notion of voting for Kamala THEN pushing her left on Gaza because they want an arms embargo which they know is never going to happen but instead just stern words to Netanyahu and they're tired of settling for the latter.

 

If you want to call out inherent hypocrisy in terms of her still voting for Kamala despite these problems she has with her which is following Jane's line of thinking? Fine, then I agree. Voting is about self-preservation but the notion that she's not allowed to voice concerns about genocide, implying she needs to place, say, Obergefell, as a higher priority for her gay fanbase and negate any mention of the former, because she's what…an affluent young white woman?  is just, gross to me.

[Fleahive]

1 hour ago, Ryan said:

I'm so over these white celebs who will be just fine under a Trump presidency. Witch, bye. 

The way people are trying to gaslight you because she's trans when white no matter what you are is always at the top of privilege. Your comment is absolutely correct. 

[visions]

Just now, on the line said:

That poster gets likes from other posters who have literally said they would vote for Trump bc he is morally superior over Harris.

 

Your inability to comprehend this is not the first thread on this topic is what is "so wrong it's scary."

In what world are users expected to answer for others who like their posts? I feel like I've lost my mind that you'd even bring that up as though it means something 

[Vixen Eyes]

Kesha for President 2024

[BrokenMachine]

Also, the way y'all are always with this 'free speech' thing, until it's someone speaking facts about your candidate, and then you try to silence them applying censorship tactics that would put Kim Jong-un to shame 

[ontherocks]

1 minute ago, Vixen Eyes said:

Kesha for President 2024

Paytas4Potus tbh 

[Uncatena]

7 minutes ago, DAP said:

Dems should just send the drones to people that question them because they want something better than what's being provided to them. This is getting out of control omg. 

Im still trying to figure out if this is meant in a satirical way because if it's not, it's perhaps the most unhinged post I've ever read on this forum.

[Big Bad Wolf]

23 minutes ago, BrokenMachine said:

I'm not even American lmao

Exactly. Plenty of other non-Americans taken a stance. Sit this one out, you have no dog in the fight. 

[Tovitov]

Like, It's fine to say you're not going to vote for Harris because of Gaza. But on the other hand, it's also fine for people to say you should reconsider because the alternative is so much worse. 

 

 

[awesomepossum]

right, because trump will be so much better on palestine. these celebrities are morons and their opinions should be ignored  

[Vixen Eyes]

3 minutes ago, BrokenMachine said:

Also, the way y'all are always with this 'free speech' thing, until it's someone speaking facts about your candidate, and then you try to silence them applying censorship tactics that would put Kim Jong-un to shame 

this. nobody should be above the law, especially those in office.

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2 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

There's data on Taylor increasing likely actual white Gen Z women on a level that comes about 3/4ths of the way close to Oprah 2008's impact, by comparison, on multiple demos. 

 

I don't see that with Roan here in the other direction with that same demo unless it's because there's just not data on it because she's a new(er) artist.

 

The people supporting Chappell here don't believe in Jane Fonda's notion of voting for Kamala THEN pushing her left on Gaza because they want an arms embargo which they know is never going to happen but instead just stern words to Netanyahu and they're tired of settling for the latter.

 

If you want to call out inherent hypocrisy in terms of her still voting for Kamala despite these problems she has with her which is following Jane's line of thinking? Fine, then I agree. Voting is about self-preservation but the notion that she's not allowed to voice concerns about genocide, implying she needs to place, say, Obergefell, as a higher priority for her gay fanbase and negate any mention of the former, because she's what…an affluent young white woman?  is just, gross to me.

Nobody is saying that.... we are saying she should prioritize what directly affects her and a large portion of her fanbase.

 

I've never said anybody should ignore what's going on in Palestine, but the problem is many people (especially here on ATRL, and I say that because I'm not seeing this same passion for Palestine in the real world amongst even my most liberal, far left of friends) have made Palestine the divisive issue within the party where if you aren't stoning Harris then you're "blue maga" or whatever stupid insult du jour y'all come up with.

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8 minutes ago, visions said:

In what world are users expected to answer for others who like their posts? I feel like I've lost my mind that you'd even bring that up as though it means something 

If your rhetoric becomes so extreme that Trump fans/voters are agreeing with you, you're the problem. That is my point.

[GhostBox]

She will be the first to ***** and whine if Trump wins about trans and gay right being destroyed even more. Hypocrite 💀