discussion ATRLers from Lebanon share their messages as Israel bombs them/their families

[AvadaKedavra]

I live in Colombia, and here we've had infiltration from Venezuelan groups sent by Maduro, which has caused great chaos in the country. But going to Venezuela to bomb them is not the answer. Wars only lead to misery and takin in account past wars...things rarely get solved through them. The situations get worse like Afghanistan-Iraq. I know terrorist groups must be stopped, but the lives of innocent people cannot be ignored. You can't just invade countries as you please. In the end, we must ensure that no one dies.
 

I'm on Reddit in the worldnews sub, and I see many people saying it's necessary to defeat Hezbollah cause theyre like a virus and are happy about these attacks, but it's easy to say that from the comfort of your home and peaceful life. You're not the one getting bombed and goin through the horror of death-pain-death of the people u love. The innocent shouldnt pay for the terrorist wrongdoings. If erasing hezzbollah means killing thousands and thousands of innocents in lebanon is a NO. Period.  Lebanon should solve their own issues with them and Palestine too.

These attacks will also put Israel in a worse situation. israel is diggin their own grave. It will make the entire Middle East hate them with fury, and sooner or later, a worse vendetta will come for israel. Im not religious but according to the bible.......... the end of the world will start there and once everyone is against israel (including allies) and is totally destroyed a portal with the dragon will come and the judgement day comes.

Sometimes i wonder if all these attacks are a strategy,so the attention is diverted from gaza to lebanon,syria and the rest.
 

Regarding bans, I don't think anyone should be banned tbh. Banning people is wrong, no matter the side 
Only with really really problematic behaviour
They should only be banned temporarily. like 1-2 months and have a warning and if they act shitty again then stronger measures like lifetime ban
But here for taking away their posting rights-100% restricting them from certain sections like the civics is necessary sometimes or certain political threads. just my thoughts. I dont know im not a fan of bans
One time i was banned temporary from here and i went depressed
But members here in the other side should be more careful with the words. This is not the time for political fights.
Some people are goin throuh hell. Go to the music threads instead and talk about the popgirls

It's heartbreaking and just horrific to see the families and so many ATRLERS caught up in this. I wish i was rich-wealthy enough to help them, or at least offer them a plane ticket and temporary shelter in my country-home until things get better in their homecountry.....

I hope for a miracle, that the U.S.-Europe condemns this and stop selling them weapons, and Israel stops soon. 
As hecking Lovato said before, if this continues and the war expands, it's goodbye to Kamala as president. The left in the states will not be pleased
 

Edited September 25 by AvadaKedavra

[brazil]

I'm Lebanese from my mom's side. My closer family there are my aunt and my two cousins. We're lucky they're privileged enough to have a house in the mountains where my aunt and uncle and niece can shelter, while my cousins continue to work in Beirut (one is a nurse and one is a journalist)

 

The situation is causing so much distress. The village my family is from is in southern Lebanon - it was occupied by Israel in the past and many are afraid it might be occupied again. My grandfather was a writer and he wrote about how he wished to be able to go back to his village before he died, unfortunately he was not able to as he passed away prior to the end of the Israeli occupation. It's important not to lose sight that many in Israel want these lands and see this as a land grabbing opportunity:

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAVgKiKRhTB/?igsh=MXAzMGIxdXpxejhrdg==

 

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

6 hours ago, Virgos Groove said:

I genuinely don't get how these members haven't been banned yet. You get ZTP bans for making crass jokes about Israelis, but spending a year dehumanizing Palestinians (and now Lebanese people) and tolerating/supporting their genocide is a-okay.

 

@Jjang, one of the few Palestinian voices in this site, got banned for... actually, I'm still not sure why he got banned, but fascists like @Bosque and @Gui Blackout are allowed to spew their hatred of brown people completely unpunished. It's revolting.

Remembering back in January 2021 when I got a ban for just CALLING Gui Blackout a Zionist.

[heckinglovato]

1 hour ago, brazil said:

I'm Lebanese from my mom's side. My closer family there are my aunt and my two cousins. We're lucky they're privileged enough to have a house in the mountains where my aunt and uncle and niece can shelter, while my cousins continue to work in Beirut (one is a nurse and one is a journalist)

 

The situation is causing so much distress. The village my family is from is in southern Lebanon - it was occupied by Israel in the past and many are afraid it might be occupied again. My grandfather was a writer and he wrote about how he wished to be able to go back to his village before he died, unfortunately he was not able to as he passed away prior to the end of the Israeli occupation. It's important not to lose sight that many in Israel want these lands and see this as a land grabbing opportunity:

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAVgKiKRhTB/?igsh=MXAzMGIxdXpxejhrdg==

 

 

 

This sounds exactly like the situation of my family from my mom's side too... they're sheltering in the mountains but my cousins have to keep going down to Beirut for work, and it's so scary to think about.

 

Stay strong love  I hope nothing bad happens to them. 

[Virgos Groove]

5 hours ago, A.R.L said:

It is so sad to see the situation in which Lebanon, whose capital was once called the Paris of the Middle East, reach this level of corruption and political and ideological destruction.
 

 

I wonder what might've played a role in that...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Lebanese_conflict

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

[Communion]

8 hours ago, A.R.L said:

It is so sad to see the situation in which Lebanon, whose capital was once called the Paris of the Middle East, reach this level of corruption and political and ideological destruction.

 

[Edonis]

5 hours ago, brazil said:

I'm Lebanese from my mom's side. My closer family there are my aunt and my two cousins. We're lucky they're privileged enough to have a house in the mountains where my aunt and uncle and niece can shelter, while my cousins continue to work in Beirut (one is a nurse and one is a journalist)

 

The situation is causing so much distress. The village my family is from is in southern Lebanon - it was occupied by Israel in the past and many are afraid it might be occupied again. My grandfather was a writer and he wrote about how he wished to be able to go back to his village before he died, unfortunately he was not able to as he passed away prior to the end of the Israeli occupation. It's important not to lose sight that many in Israel want these lands and see this as a land grabbing opportunity:

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAVgKiKRhTB/?igsh=MXAzMGIxdXpxejhrdg==

 

 

 

but when lebanese people point these things out, we get accused of being antisemites by americans that are far removed from what's going on in that region. it makes me so angry to see so much bullshit spewed by the pro-israeli folks and so many westerners just lap it up because they've been conditioned to treat us like the plague. like imagine, in 2024, that you have people cozying up to ******* netanyahu of all people?!! it's insane.

[Pecinta Mariah]

12 hours ago, Bosque said:

I didn't misinterpret anything and the PLO and PFLP were both Islamist terrorist organizations that purposefully murdered children and committed many international acts of terrorism, that's historical fact. 

 

The funniest part is that I have always in every single one of my posts here made an explicit distinction between terrorists and civilian and called out Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis while saying that civilians must be protected. Even the comment you linked I made absolutely no conflation between Hamas and Palestine despite your continued lies. At the same time several "progressive" members of this forum have openly and explicitly justified, endorsed and supported the murder and rape of Israeli civilians, yet you have never seen the need to call any of them out. So excuse me if your dramatic pearl clutching just comes across as tedious and not credible. 
 

I will continue to call out the violent terrorist organization of Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis and their wanton murder of Jewish, Arab, Muslim and Christian Middle Easterners for as long as they continue to be violent terrorists. If terrorists being called terrorists offends you so much then put me on your ignore list you beautiful tender snowflake. 
 

Hopefully the civilians in Lebanon manage to stay safe (not the hezbkhara terrorists, I could not give less of a **** what happens to them), and all the ATRLers affected can safely return to their homes. 

Funny u dont mention iof

 

 

Ot: z word can rot

[Relampago.]

Awful. 

 

It's so easy to write off the suffering of civilians in Palestine and Lebanon as a necessity and those who lose their lives are collateral for a greater cause. But the moment people retaliate in other countries, such as the US and Israel, it's immediately: "see! Look why we have to eliminate them!" without any consideration for what started this in the first place.

 

Israel is suddenly so unpopular, not because of antisemitism because that's been around since forever, but because people are finally informing themselves about what's been going on for decades. The bad karma that's been building up is coming to fruition. People are now aware of the truth and don't care to side with the terrorist organization disguising themselves as a nation. 

 

Israel bombing and bombing will never be enough to kill the ideology that they so badly want to destroy— the one that sees them as the terrorist they are. And now the rest of the world is even more aware now. They have no end game here, unless they wish to start WW3 which does seem like their wish. 

[ClashAndBurn]

15 hours ago, Relampago. said:

Awful. 

 

It's so easy to write off the suffering of civilians in Palestine and Lebanon as a necessity and those who lose their lives are collateral for a greater cause. But the moment people retaliate in other countries, such as the US and Israel, it's immediately: "see! Look why we have to eliminate them!" without any consideration for what started this in the first place.

 

Israel is suddenly so unpopular, not because of antisemitism because that's been around since forever, but because people are finally informing themselves about what's been going on for decades. The bad karma that's been building up is coming to fruition. People are now aware of the truth and don't care to side with the terrorist organization disguising themselves as a nation. 

 

Israel bombing and bombing will never be enough to kill the ideology that they so badly want to destroy— the one that sees them as the terrorist they are. And now the rest of the world is even more aware now. They have no end game here, unless they wish to start WW3 which does seem like their wish. 

Right. It's hard to say the blowback the US and Israel are currently inviting is undeserved. And the Americans and Israelis will play victim as always when it comes, like we always do. 

[A.R.L]

On 9/26/2024 at 1:38 AM, Communion said:

 

No one denies that Lebanon is the most open-minded Arabic-speaking country, but you cannot easily ignore that there is an ideological destruction from Iran that even Sunni Muslims who share more or less the same ideology with them don't tolerate it.
 

Keep in mind that many Sunni Muslims do not criticize Israeli attacks against Hezbollah members at all and you should know why.
 

Now, regarding the Israeli ideology towards that part of the world, more especially Palestine and Lebanon, I know it is disgusting, I know that Israel is committing crimes and genocides and has crossed so many limits in the Gaza war that they should be held accountable.

 

But also the other side is not helping, of course, nothing justifies the wars from Israel, but there is also something in the ideology of the other side that shares exactly the same negative/horrible thoughts against Israelis just like how the way Israelis think about them, and no it's not because of the war, because sometimes it has affected even the Jews themselves who have never set foot in Israel, this ideology is blocking peace and the whole recognition of Israel that needs to be changed for good.

 

A great example of that, Jordan, was one of the countries that attacked Israel, but then, when they understood that the only correct solution to this conflict is a two-state solution, since both countries have their rights to share those lands, they began to have peaceful arguments since then.

 

Now why Palestine and especially Lebanon failed to do so, I bet you know the answer. If you don't know, well let me tell that for Palestine it's the mosque and the whole Jerusalem area which is by historical and cultural proofs has more identity from the children of Israel than any other group, and in the case of Lebanon, it's Iran and the latter, it's not even on good terms with other Islamic countries. The best example of that is the war in Yemen. 

Edited September 27 by A.R.L

[Communion]

4 hours ago, A.R.L said:

you cannot easily ignore that there is an ideological destruction from Iran

You're justifying Israel slaughtering hundreds of Lebanese citizens right now and not even because you think Israel is morally right and Lebanon morally wrong. You, myself, and others posts far too much about politics on here to not understand one another's motivations.

 

So yes, when people are defending Israel's genocide and war crimes because they have a personal vendetta towards what they feel represents Islam at large because they themselves are from an ethnic or national background that resents Arabs or Muslims, you're not seeking nuance. You're cynically seeking revenge no differently than the Islamist extremists you claim are at odds with your moral clarity.

Edited September 27 by Communion

[heckinglovato]

10 hours ago, A.R.L said:

A great example of that, Jordan, was one of the countries that attacked Israel, but then, when they understood that the only correct solution to this conflict is a two-state solution, since both countries have their rights to share those lands, they began to have peaceful arguments since then.

This is a monarchy that doesn't represent the will of its people. Jordan is mostly ethnically Palestinian and is the most anti-Israel nation in the world. Dare I say Jordanians are more anti-Israel than Palestinians living in the West Bank. 

 

The Jordanian royal family are neck deep in UK/US geopolitics, and no policies emerging from their rule is even slightly reflective of what Jordanians want, which would far exceed what Lebanon and Yemen are doing right now.

 

But you already knew that babes

[brraap]

Lebanon is so tiny. They barely have an army. This is so so disgusting.
 

America needs to smarten up and stop funding this terrorist state. Because they definitely do not care about America that's for sure.

 

Israel is trying hard to establish "Greater Israel" before the election happens so whoever is elected has to go along with them rather than the other way around. 
 

That's why they get so vexxed when they hear "free Palestine from the river to the sea" 

 

Lets call it all for what it is 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 27 by brraap

[BorderBoy]

This is so sad but doesn't come as surprising at all. The world stood and did nothing and simply watched Israel slaughtering and massacring Palestinians under the pretext that "Israel has the right to defend itself" and look at them now doing the same to Lebanon. The world is so sick and evil. Israel must be stopped and sanctioned but nobody is doing anything at all.

 

It's so devastating to see how the world treats Palestinians and Lebanese people as if they were less of humans than any other humans in the world.

[punisher]

11 minutes ago, BorderBoy said:

This is so sad but doesn't come as surprising at all. The world stood and did nothing and simply watched Israel slaughtering and massacring Palestinians under the pretext that "Israel has the right to defend itself" and look at them now doing the same to Lebanon. The world is so sick and evil. Israel must be stopped and sanctioned but nobody is doing anything at all.

 

It's so devastating to see how the world treats Palestinians and Lebanese people as if they were less of humans than any other humans in the world.

its become abundantly clear that the lives of middle-easterns hold less worth to the one's who are isr*eli

[Odette Violet]

heartbreaking and awful

 

prayers and safety to our lebanese sistrens and their families

[Edonis]

11 hours ago, A.R.L said:

No one denies that Lebanon is the most open-minded Arabic-speaking country, but you cannot easily ignore that there is an ideological destruction from Iran that even Sunni Muslims who share more or less the same ideology with them don't tolerate it.

I can tell that you know absolutely nothing about Lebanese geopolitics or history if you are invoking Sunni Muslims in a conversation about shifts in ideology. Sunni Muslims in Lebanon have ALWAYS been more socially and politically conservative than Shia sects and more dismissive of non-Mulsim communities than Shia and Allawi sects. Always. That is not up for debate, you can quite literally look at the relationships between the religious and ethnic communities in Lebanon going back to Ottoman rule and even the introduction of Islamic Caliphate into Lebanon. Even now you can find Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and even some Maronite communities having close ties with Shia Muslim communities over Sunni groups. Trying to warp an argument by using religious groups (that are discriminated against in the majority of the Middle East and North Africa) is heinous. Because Hezbolloh is a Shia group? Sad. Making that kind of appeal may work on clueless westerners who know nothing about Lebanon but that is not going to work here. 

 

You know nothing about our culture or our community and are basing your arguments on whether groups view Israel as having a right to exist. It would behoove you to leave this conversation and never come back because you are coming across as a tool that wants to both-sides a tragedy and place blame on poor, 3rd world country communities over a conflict that is easily preventable. 

 

At the end of the day, NONE of this would be happening if Palestinians had a right to return home. NONE of this. 

[Vegvisir]

Eventually the middle east will collectively retaliate against Israel, and we will witness a devastating blow that will likely change the course of history forever.

 

I really see no other way things can go at this point. You can tell Netanyahu and his cronies realize they're running out of patience from the few nations still propping them up, so now they're pushing the gas pedal to the floor and blatantly killing left and right before the hammer comes down.

 

I wonder if Netanyahu ever imagined he would one day become the heir apparent of Hitler's throne of blood and devastation. The irony of it all.

 

It makes me sick to my stomach.

[A.R.L]

22 hours ago, Communion said:

You're justifying Israel slaughtering hundreds of Lebanese citizens right now

Posting the factors behind an ongoing war that does not justify the unacceptable actions committed during the war.

 

22 hours ago, Communion said:

they themselves are from an ethnic or national background that resents Arabs or Muslims, you're not seeking nuance. You're cynically seeking revenge no differently than the Islamist extremists you claim are at odds with your moral clarity.

Sis, I have nothing against Muslims believing peacefully in their religion, or anyone minding their own business. I was just giving you clear factors as why this war is not over yet, it's mainly because there is political ideology influenced by religion, or are you one of those who ignores the religious part (the whole Judaism vs Islam) thing as a main factor of this an going war?
 

And that the only way to solve this mess is a two-state solution and also giving the Jews their most sacred land, otherwise, unfortunately, this war will have no limits.

Edited September 28 by A.R.L

[Bloodflowers.]

My best friend from school came from Lebanon to live here in 2005, and I hope other people, especially fellow ATRLers and their families are safe and that Netanyahu's atrocious crimes will end and he gets locked up in Haag 

 

[A.R.L]

16 hours ago, heckinglovato said:

This is a monarchy that doesn't represent the will of its people. Jordan is mostly ethnically Palestinian and is the most anti-Israel nation in the world. Dare I say Jordanians are more anti-Israel than Palestinians living in the West Bank. 

 

The Jordanian royal family are neck deep in UK/US geopolitics, and no policies emerging from their rule is even slightly reflective of what Jordanians want, which would far exceed what Lebanon and Yemen are doing right now.

 

But you already knew that babes

There is no government in this world that fully represents the will of its people, now depending on the degree of how convenient each government is, it is up to their people to decide whether they want to continue with it or not. But that's another story.
 

However, let me agree with you and say that public sentiment in Jordan, especially those of Palestinian origin, tends to see Israel negatively because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But isn't this peace treaty a necessity for the entire region that has experienced many conflicts and wars throughout its history due to many reasons and not just because of Israel? 

Edited September 28 by A.R.L

[A.R.L]

14 hours ago, Edonis said:

Sunni Muslims in Lebanon have ALWAYS been more socially and politically conservative than Shia sects and more dismissive of non-Mulsim communities than Shia and Allawi sects. Always. That is not up for debate,

 

This post is exactly an example of what I said in one of my previous posts here, that there is a problem of sectarianism in the country, which is one of the main factors behind its instability.

 

Your point about who is more conservative than the other when it comes to Sunnis and Shiites is complex and this was not even my point to begin with, I don't care about how people think of each other, although I know that both of these two groups do not tolerate each other, but that's none of my business, it's for them to solve it.

 

My only point is Hezbollah's enmity towards Israel (by the way, a country that has all the rights to exist, as well as Palestine, regardless of the war crimes committed by their government for which they should be held accountable). This enmity of Hezbollah is a way for Iran to legitimise their influence in Lebanon and in the entire region of the Middle East through Hezbollah and other terrorist organisations. 

 

15 hours ago, Edonis said:

 basing your arguments on whether groups view Israel as having a right to exist.

That is not true, the public sentiment of both groups is sadly not in favor of the existence of Israel as a state, and sometimes even against the Jews who have never been to Israel.
 

15 hours ago, Edonis said:

At the end of the day, NONE of this would be happening if Palestinians had a right to return home. NONE of this. 

It is a fundamental right as long as it doesn't represent any threat against the other side, so yes people have the right to return home, but also if the partition plan was accepted (which was less harmful than how the whole situation is now). Absolutely none of this ongoing conflicts would be happening.

[BorderBoy]

4 hours ago, A.R.L said:

However, let me agree with you and say that public sentiment in Jordan, especially those of Palestinian origin, tends to see Israel negatively because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But isn't this peace treaty a necessity for the entire region that has experienced many conflicts and wars throughout its history due to many reasons and not just because of Israel? 

The many conflicts and wars you speak of that happened in this specific region happened because of Israel.

[Nova_23]

My uncles are fortunately safe but they have had to take several families in because their homes have been destroyed. The wave of air strikes on Friday my uncle said felt like a constant earthquake all through out Beirut. 
 

I hope Israel pays the price for the terrorism they've unleashed.