celeb news Chappell Roan on not endorsing Kamala Harris: "There's problems on both sides"

[RoughOperator]

2 hours ago, State of Grace. said:

Once again, she does NOT have to directly endorse Kamala. She literally does not owe it to anyone.  Stop expecting celebrities to tell people who to vote for when they should be doing their own research instead.

 

Chappell has been outspoken about the genocide and her support for Palestine so she obviously wouldn't want to be associated with the Biden-Harris administration who are currently funding the genocide after already turning down their White House invite. She has made her stance clear on all topics. And I do think that she'll be voting for Kamala eventually, she just won't be enthusiastically endorsing her and she doesn't have to  

Surely these are the words of a centrist/right-wing queer woman! The Uncommitted movement is also not endorsing Kamala while opposing Trump. Are they right wing too?

 

What?

I think many users like you here are still missing the point. It's not a matter of Chappell having the right to express freely and vocally her position, but the consequence of doing so.

As you said she's a celebrity and it's not like she owes anyone anything: she has every right whatsoever to express any idea. The thing is, her words carry weight, and will still be interpreted in different ways and influence people, possibly driving some away from voting, or worse, leading them to vote the objectively MUCH worse candidate here. Either way despite maybe her still eventually voting left, she's indirectly helping more the right than anything doing this, and thinking otherwise is just naive.

She's free to think whatever she wants, but as a public figure she does have the responsibility of being more careful with her communication (however much she and her fans may want to deconstruct the hardships of celebrity, this still remains a sort of societal obligation that comes with it).

In this case, the best option would've been just staying silent at this point. You may say it would still meet controversy and doubts about her stance, but it would be definitely better than this and she would not be forced to endorse Harris and her administration.

Edited September 22 by RoughOperator

[State of Grace.]

3 minutes ago, RoughOperator said:

I think many users like you here are still missing the point. It's not a matter of Chappell having the right to express freely and vocally their position, but the consequence of doing so.

As you said she's a celebrity and it's not like she owes anyone anything: she has every right whatsoever to express any idea. The thing is, her words carry weight, and will still be interpreted in different ways and influence people, possibly driving some away from voting, or worse, leading them to vote the objectively MUCH worse candidate here. Either way despite maybe her still eventually voting left, she's indirectly helping more the right than anything doing this, and thinking otherwise is just naive.

She's free to think whatever she wants, but as a public figure she does have the responsibility of being more careful with her communication (however much she and her fans may want to deconstruct the hardships of celebrity, this still remains a sort of societal obligation that comes with it).

In this case, the best option would've been just staying silent at this point. You may say it would still meet controversy and doubts about her stance, but it would be definitely better than this and she would not be forced to endorse Harris and her administration.

Nobody's missing the point sis. Her statements have been extremely clear: she will not be endorsing the genocide supporting Kamala but she'll be voting to protect people's civil rights, especially trans people's. That's not "helping more the right than anything".  

 

You would maybe have a point if we didn't know her stance on several issues and she just came out saying "everyone is bad!" without further explanation but that's not the case here.

 

[starsailor]

Well, she's not wrong but when you have a far-right candidate in a side, and with a big chance of winning, it's kinda your obligation to vote against him, no matter what. I know that it sucks to vote in the "less worse", but c'mon now, it's not that difficult to stop being pedant for a minute. Voting against both won't give uou any medal or a crown of Best Person of Planet.

So, if you're an american, you have to vote on Kamala and that's it.

[RoughOperator]

5 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Nobody's missing the point sis. Her statements have been extremely clear: she will not be endorsing the genocide supporting Kamala but she'll be voting to protect people's civil rights, especially trans people's. That's not "helping more the right than anything".  

 

You would maybe have a point if we didn't know her stance on several issues and she just came out saying "everyone is bad!" without further explanation but that's not the case here.

 

The point is also how people read those statements and basing solely on this article for example they can come off as kind of critical of voting for the Harris administration in general. Not everyone follows her that well and knows perfectly her stance, that's why I just don't think it's actually as clear as you say, but to each their own.

[CottageHore]

Good for her! Y'all shouldn't be influenced by pop stars. That's lazy. Do your research and vote accordingly. Politics can be complex and someone can go vote for Kamala without wanting to publicly announce it to the world. This is a girl saying "don't approach me in public" and you think she cares to make who she's planning to vote for public news? Why do y'all care?

 

Pop stars are not politicians and should only voice their opinions if they feel genuinely called to do so. 

[CottageHore]

1 hour ago, State of Grace. said:

Nobody's missing the point sis. Her statements have been extremely clear: she will not be endorsing the genocide supporting Kamala but she'll be voting to protect people's civil rights, especially trans people's. That's not "helping more the right than anything".  

 

You would maybe have a point if we didn't know her stance on several issues and she just came out saying "everyone is bad!" without further explanation but that's not the case here.

 

[Pozeidon]

Everything I've known about this... girl has been against my will. Never seen someone THIS annoying before, mediocre.

[Slap]

When you're so left wing you trip over and fall into the hands of the alt right. My god. We need to do whatever we can not to let a fascist government take over. I get it, politics is way too right leaning and the democrats are centrist at best but people need to hang up their political illiteracy and realize if they want even a fraction of their world view to be represented or queer/female/poc rights to be protected they need to be pragmatic about the democratic system and how it works. 
 

So many people who keep talking about genocide have no knowledge of the history of global conflict or even the last 100 years of Israel/Palestine and have just been brainwashed by social media. There's absolutely no depth to their perspective and they are the equivalent of the people posting black squares on Instagram in 2020 because they were bored during the pandemic and really thought they were doing something for BLM.
 

More importantly the US is never going to change its close allyship with Israel for its own selfish and deeply entrenched geopolitical reasons and a bunch of progressives abstaining from voting will not only not change that, but end up opening the floodgates for a right wing dictatorship to come in, take an even more extreme stance against Palestinian people, trans people, women, people of color and so many other marginalized groups.

 

Social media is rotting the discourse on both sides of politics and it is genuinely so scary to watch, progressives are not immune to this and if anything I think are so distracted by the obvious stupidity and heinous discourse amongst the alt right that they don't see how they themselves are quickly descending into an echo chamber full of the same shallow black and white thinking, just with a progressive twist. 
 

For the record she can say whatever she wants and I kind of hate the celebrity endorsement culture in the US but I'm just sharing my opinion on the kind of stance she has. 

Edited September 23 by Slap

[XDNA]

2 hours ago, Sergi91 said:

She's no different than Meghan McCain… both are friends with drag queens but would not vote for the candidate who got their back. 

It's worse for Roan who built her entire career and personality on the backs of drag culture

[ImpressMeMuch]

2 hours ago, State of Grace. said:

Nobody's missing the point sis. Her statements have been extremely clear: she will not be endorsing the genocide supporting Kamala but she'll be voting to protect people's civil rights, especially trans people's. That's not "helping more the right than anything".  

 

You would maybe have a point if we didn't know her stance on several issues and she just came out saying "everyone is bad!" without further explanation but that's not the case here.

 

Yah this level of clarification is all that was needed and I'm glad you're providing it here rather than the redirect rants others are going on but 

 

alas is any politics thread I guess

[goverm3nth0ker]

yall forgettin that is kamala and biden administration that who at the time continued to donate to Israel and were responsible for the death of many Palestinian children? like biden did nothing for USA the past years, so i support her tbh..

 

i endorse kamala not for her being the best candidate, but at least the better option.

[duybeeGAshantiGA]

3 hours ago, RoughOperator said:

I think many users like you here are still missing the point. It's not a matter of Chappell having the right to express freely and vocally her position, but the consequence of doing so.

As you said she's a celebrity and it's not like she owes anyone anything: she has every right whatsoever to express any idea. The thing is, her words carry weight, and will still be interpreted in different ways and influence people, possibly driving some away from voting, or worse, leading them to vote the objectively MUCH worse candidate here. Either way despite maybe her still eventually voting left, she's indirectly helping more the right than anything doing this, and thinking otherwise is just naive.

She's free to think whatever she wants, but as a public figure she does have the responsibility of being more careful with her communication (however much she and her fans may want to deconstruct the hardships of celebrity, this still remains a sort of societal obligation that comes with it).

In this case, the best option would've been just staying silent at this point. You may say it would still meet controversy and doubts about her stance, but it would be definitely better than this and she would not be forced to endorse Harris and her administration.

 

But people will keep missing the point to support her. It's not about what she says is right or wrong. It's about the CONSEQUENCE and INFLUENCE she has on her following/àudience.

Edited September 23 by duybeeGAshantiGA

[Communion]

3 hours ago, RoughOperator said:

The thing is, her words carry weight, and will still be interpreted in different ways and influence people, possibly driving some away from voting, or worse, leading them to vote the objectively MUCH worse candidate here.

No one is voting for Donald Trump due to Chappell Roan nor is anyone thinking Chappell Roan is going to vote for Donald Trump.

 

You're not mad at the thought that she'll sway votes for Trump. You're mad she's not joining other privileged celebrities in sheepherding their fans into Harris' corner without any policy demands or without the promise to end America's involvement in the genocide and documented mass rape and torture of Palestinians under the Zionist regime.

[ohjulia]

Finally an intelligent pop star. What an icon. I hope Hollywood doesn't corrupt her.

[ClashAndBurn]

 

 

It's so shameful how pro-genocide the music industry is as a whole. The silence of figures like Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift has been both deafening and eye-opening.

[MardinBeksloy]

The way Taylor got more s*** from ATRL for hugging Britany  

[Uncatena]

some of y'all are truly, thoroughly dumb as a rock and being a liberal has cooked your brain medium rare. anti-drag bills have been passed en masse under Biden. if you think that Chappell has been in any way unclear about her political stances in the last few months, you simply don't care to engage in this topic earnestly and the replies trying to drag her are  just thinly veiled misogyny. to expect someone to endorse a genocidal centrist, in hopes of keeping the "Kamala will fix everything" dream alive, after they have made their opinions clear as day, is just... next level cope.  

 

the amount of horse farms you could fill with the high horses in here... if you need Chappell Roan to tell you how to vote you're beyond saving anyway. 

Edited September 23 by Uncatena

[Uncatena]

5 hours ago, XDNA said:

It's worse for Roan who built her entire career and personality on the backs of drag culture

"on the backs of" she IS drag culture, you ******* dumbass. she is a queer person who DOES drag. she IS a drag queen. 

[XDNA]

19 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

"on the backs of" she IS drag culture, you ******* dumbass. she is a queer person who DOES drag. she IS a drag queen. 

Chappell Roan is an act. Learn some history: https://www.lgbtqandall.com/the-history-of-drag/

 

 

 

[Uncatena]

4 minutes ago, XDNA said:

Chappell Roan is an act. Learn some history: https://www.lgbtqandall.com/the-history-of-drag/

yes, because... drag is an act. its a performance. you unironically linking that to me I just...  

 

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Drag has emerged as a unique artistic expression and entertainment, transcending traditional gender boundaries.

literally the first sentence and literally what Chappell does. 

 

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Through drag, many LGBTQ+ people have found a safe space to express themselves and be visible. It has allowed many queer artists to use their art to confront complex issues and challenge the mainstream narrative of what it means to be queer.

just proving my point with the very thing you linked  y'all have lost the plot completely. 

Edited September 23 by Uncatena

[XDNA]

11 minutes ago, Uncatena said:

yes, because... drag is an act. its a performance. you unironically linking that to me I just...  

 

literally the first sentence and literally what Chappell does. 

 

just proving my point with the very thing you linked  y'all have lost the plot completely. 

Yes, she does something that has been done for decades and centuries before she was born. Something she is not original at since she copies other drag queens and artists for looks. So no, Roan is not "drag culture" Like you said, drag culture is her, she's a tiny bubble of the culture.

 

Moving you to ignore, so talk to the wall.

[Rep2000]

2 hours ago, Uncatena said:

"on the backs of" she IS drag culture, you ******* dumbass. she is a queer person who DOES drag. she IS a drag queen. 

This just makes her seem so out of touch and very privileged with how the local queens are feeling, especially in red states like Florida. 

 

Because at the end of the day, if drag is outlawed, then she would go on and still be able to perform just fine. While thousands of queens would lose their livelihood and be branded as "sexual predators".

You can't be pro-drag and don't strongly comdemn Trump for his evil demonization of the culture. 

Edited September 23 by Rep2000

[réveuse]

11 hours ago, starsailor said:

Well, she's not wrong but when you have a far-right candidate in a side, and with a big chance of winning, it's kinda your obligation to vote against him, no matter what. I know that it sucks to vote in the "less worse", but c'mon now, it's not that difficult to stop being pedant for a minute. Voting against both won't give uou any medal or a crown of Best Person of Planet.

So, if you're an american, you have to vote on Kamala and that's it.

Kamala Harris is far-right.

[RoughOperator]

8 hours ago, Communion said:

No one is voting for Donald Trump due to Chappell Roan nor is anyone thinking Chappell Roan is going to vote for Donald Trump.

 

You're not mad at the thought that she'll sway votes for Trump. You're mad she's not joining other privileged celebrities in sheepherding their fans into Harris' corner without any policy demands or without the promise to end America's involvement in the genocide and documented mass rape and torture of Palestinians under the Zionist regime.

Not at all. Politics is compromise and choices have been made during this campaign. You can express dissense but it's a thing doing it while the best party is in power, it's another when you're risking basically a friggin dictatorship man.

 

I've seen this way of thinking lead to the win of the (basically fascist) far right in my country, which is still currently in power right now. I don't want story to repeat itself in the US as well.

[starsailor]

28 minutes ago, réveuse said:

Kamala Harris is far-right.

No, she's not. She's a right wing politician for sure, but not a far-right one like Trump. Far-Right is ultra-conservative, authoritarian, with extreme nationalist ideologies and fascist attitudes. If she loses the election, you won't see her doing what Trump did when he lost, for example.