celeb news Chappell Roan on not endorsing Kamala Harris: "There's problems on both sides"

[ImpressMeMuch]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

i just think it's insane to argue people are in the wrong for asking Harris to stop advocating for things like family separations and mass expulsions of undocumented immigrants.

you are literally inventing this (or representing a fringe minority take eg. Republicans for Kamala)

[Communion]

Just now, ImpressMeMuch said:

you are literally inventing this (or representing a fringe minority take eg. Republicans for Kamala)

Kamala Harris is running on signing into law the Republican-written immigration bill that Trump told Republicans to kill at the last minute to stop Ukraine aid.

 

She features it prominently in her ads despite the contents of the bill calling for giving ICE the ability to deport undocumented migrants in as little as 2 hours:

 

Easy question - is it then fine for someone to not vote for Harris because she supports Republican immigration policies?

 

If you take issue with someone not voting for Harris because of this, you're quite literally doing as I've described.

[Colmillo]

This is exactly why I think Trump could win again, his supporters would vote for him even if he killed a puppy on live television, while "democrats" are always finding things to whine about, like I understand that Kamala is far from being the perfect candidate, but are you seriously having a hard time deciding between her and Trump? The guy who wants to ban everything LGBT related? The guy who is against abortion of any kind? The guy who is a LITERAL FELON? like c'mon now 

[Squall]

I will be the first one to celebrate when her downfall happens, it should be soon enough. 

[Squall]

26 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Chappell has her heart in the right place, I know that's hard for people to grasp but supporting genocide is a line that some people draw in spite of the effects that not voting for Harris might have. It falls upon the Harris campaign to do better to earn people like Chappell's votes, and if they feel they do not need them to win then that is their plan and Chappell and others do not owe anyone a vote.

 

That being said, she's also just a nightmare of a person when it comes to answering questions. This really does come across as a privileged white, queer woman throwing people under the bus. It would have been sufficient to say her music speaks for itself and she believes in her fans and the country to make the right choice for themselves and others without her injecting her opinion into it all. 

 

But no, much like her comment about people "on the coast" not understanding what it's like to experience having conservative family and friends (genuinely such an ignorant comment that reeks of self-righteousness and martyrdom) she decided to put her foot in her mouth again and hold back the movement she wants to be supporting. No strategy or gain here, just self-righteousness and it's pretty clear that's all she'll ever offer until she learns better. 

When she takes her whole universe from a community that Trump wants to MAKE DISAPPEAR, yeah, she DOES owe some people a vote. I am the first one to drag Kamala but guess what? Not only Trump is pro-genocide but he is also against LGBT people, abortion and human rights.

 

Some of you really need help.

[HardBambi]

22 hours ago, simplywohoo said:

she's soooooo dumb jfc

Add annoying too

 

Problems on both sides but come on we've seen Trump as president and we know for sure the world doesn't want that

[ImpressMeMuch]

31 minutes ago, Communion said:

Kamala Harris is running on signing into law the Republican-written immigration bill that Trump told Republicans to kill at the last minute to stop Ukraine aid.

 

She features it prominently in her ads despite the contents of the bill calling for giving ICE the ability to deport undocumented migrants in as little as 2 hours:

 

Easy question - is it then fine for someone to not vote for Harris because she supports Republican immigration policies?

 

If you take issue with someone not voting for Harris because of this, you're quite literally doing as I've described.

lol that's obviously not the part I'm saying you made up, disengaging from this bad faith argument. Have a good one! 

Edited September 22 by ImpressMeMuch

[on the line]

Insane she would let Trump wipe out everything she stands for for the sake of a Palestine protest vote, when the other side wants to destroy them even faster.

 

[mons†er]

47 minutes ago, Communion said:

"No, you see, it's progressive when I as a liberal tell anti-war activists to shut up and sing when criticizing the politician I support who slaughters Muslim children"

 

?

 

I just think it's insane to argue people are in the wrong for asking Harris to stop advocating for things like family separations and mass expulsions of undocumented immigrants.

Once again, you're cherry picking to fit your narrative.   have a great day babe. 

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, ImpressMeMuch said:

lol that's obviously not the part I'm saying you made up,

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i just think it's insane to argue people are in the wrong for asking Harris to stop advocating for things like family separations and mass expulsions of undocumented immigrants.

Literally nothing you're saying right now is coherent. "lol you're misconstruing my words!" is not a coherent argument to being called out for what you're clearly arguing.

 

Just say you're fine with voting for Republican policies and want to try and gaslight people into voting for a right-wing Democrat lol.

 

You're not being done dirty or unfairly here. No one is being disingenuous but liberals defending Harris' attempt to court Never Trump Republicans. Vote for Harris! That's fine!

 

The statement you decided to quote though is very clear - Harris is pushing Republican policies and people - like you and others -  are attacking people for demanding more from her by attacking them for threatening to withhold their vote to get her to change her position. It wouldn't and couldn't be easier to understand than this.

 

There'd be no way to criticize Harris calling for locking up and detaining migrant children if she... simply didn't have that part of her platform?

Edited September 22 by Communion

[on the line]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Literally nothing you're saying right now is coherent. "lol you're misconstruing my words!" is not a coherent argument to being called out for what you're clearly arguing.

 

Just say you're fine with voting for Republican policies and want to try and gaslight people into voting for a right-wing Democrat lol.

 

You're not being done dirty or unfairly here. No one is being disingenuous but liberals defending Harris' attempt to court Never Trump Republicans. Vote for Harris! That's fine!

 

The statement you decided to quote though is very clear - Harris is pushing Republican policies and people - like you and others -  are attacking people for demanding more from her by attacking them for threatening to withhold their vote to get her to change her position. It wouldn't couldn't be easier to understand than this.

 

There'd be no way to criticize Harris calling for locking up and detaining migrant children if she... simply didn't have that part of her platform?

Lol you're doing way way too much. You'd maybe have an iota of a point if you remembered for half a second that Americans never chose Harris to be in this position, and the first time any American votes for Harris to be even a presidential candidate is for the election itself. Our choice is her or Donald Trump. It's not a hard choice.

 

Quote me, bring up where I live or what you think my imaginary job is, but that is the choice. Frankly, I'm just happy to see so many no longer drinking your kool-aid. 

[Relampago.]

18 minutes ago, Squall said:

When she takes her whole universe from a community that Trump wants to MAKE DISAPPEAR, yeah, she DOES owe some people a vote. I am the first one to drag Kamala but guess what? Not only Trump is pro-genocide but he is also against LGBT people, abortion and human rights.

 

Some of you really need help.

Huh? Chappell isn't an ally, she's a queer woman too. It's not like Charli creating a queer universe and profiting off of it (nothing wrong with that). She's literally pulling from her own life experiences in her "universe". 

 

And no, no one owes a politician a vote. In the US, politicians are servants of the people, which is why Kamala Harris herself said Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people. If said politician does not offer a policy position that fulfills the requirements of the job in the eyes of a voter, it is their right and duty as a citizen to withhold their vote if they choose.

 

Third, no amount of suffering Trump could inflict on queer people in the US will ever reach the amount of suffering Palestinians have been experiencing for decades. Why does our community get to take priority over people quite literally being bombed to death indiscriminately? And that's arguably the most merciful way many Palestinians go. Others are abused, raped, starved, and more before they are killed by another bomb hitting civilian areas.

 

I am voting for Kamala and have been adamant in encouraging others to do so. I've phonebanked for Kamala, donated to her campaign 4 times now and will be knocking on doors for her next month as I live in the swing state of AZ so I feel it's my duty to try and help her get elected. 

 

But I will never tell someone they shouldn't draw a line at genocide. I personally see Kamala as the clear choice, but I don't get to make that choice for others, nor would I want to on a topic like this. Trump terrifies me, but that terror is nothing compared to what Palestinians face.

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, mons†er said:

Once again, you're cherry picking to fit your narrative.   have a great day babe. 

These kinds of fallacies don't make liberals look good and are why Harris is still within a polling error from losing in every swing state.

 

You're unable to engage in the substance of the topic at hand and defer to some retort of "well I didn't mean it like that!" or "[insert any criticism of Harris] is just one issue, you're cherry-picking!". Liberals are meant to be able to articulate and defend their worldview! It's cognitive dissonance to not be able to defend Harris' platform as her voter!

 

It's starting to look like Chappell isn't the one who should probably shut up, no? 

 

Why even step up to the plate and try to defend Harris - by framing those critical of her platform as pro-Trump - if not even aware of what her very platform is? lol

 

By all means, vote for Harris. Use your vote however you want. But it's not becoming to try and attack Harris' critics from the left while being completely inarticulate on who Harris is.

[Squall]

4 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Huh? Chappell isn't an ally, she's a queer woman too. It's not like Charli creating a queer universe and profiting off of it (nothing wrong with that). She's literally pulling from her own life experiences in her "universe". 

 

And no, no one owes a politician a vote. In the US, politicians are servants of the people, which is why Kamala Harris herself said Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people. If said politician does not offer a policy position that fulfills the requirements of the job in the eyes of a voter, it is their right and duty as a citizen to withhold their vote if they choose.

 

Third, no amount of suffering Trump could inflict on queer people in the US will ever reach the amount of suffering Palestinians have been experiencing for decades. Why does our community get to take priority over people quite literally being bombed to death indiscriminately? And that's arguably the most merciful way many Palestinians go. Others are abused, raped, starved, and more before they are killed by another bomb hitting civilian areas.

 

I am voting for Kamala and have been adamant in encouraging others to do so. I've phonebanked for Kamala, donated to her campaign 4 times now and will be knocking on doors for her next month as I live in the swing state of AZ so I feel it's my duty to try and help her get elected. 

 

But I will never tell someone they shouldn't draw a line at genocide. I personally see Kamala as the clear choice, but I don't get to make that choice for others, nor would I want to on a topic like this. Trump terrifies me, but that terror is nothing compared to what Palestinians face.

Trust me, your essays won't change the situation: she is trash for this and there is no excuse. Kamala being pro-Israel won't change the fact Trump is pro-Israel but also anti LBGT (a community she is a part of and she takes advantage of, she isn't a drag queen herself).

Edited September 22 by Squall

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, on the line said:

remember that Americans never chose Harris to be in this position

 

I don't think that's a good thing, sister! It isn't that hard for Harris to just listen to the majority of voters who share Chappell's views! Sounds like she wants to lose!

[Wicked]

2 hours ago, Patient Zero said:

Ugh at the people siding with Roan because of the Palestine situation. Wake the fukin up or take your MAGA hat down.

 

What's the better choice:

- Voting for a candidate that supports Israel, is pro women rights, is pro LGBTQ rights, wants to defend minorities
- Voting for a candidate that supports Israel, is anti women , is anti LGBTQ and anti minorities
- not voting and giving the canditate that supports Israel, hates women, hates LGBTQ and minorities the chance to become the president

 

Both are pro-Israel, but one wants to take us back to the middle-ages. What's so hard to understand, stupid fukkers??

 

 

I'm a Black woman, I support Stein-Ware. 

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Huh? Chappell isn't an ally, she's a queer woman too. It's not like Charli creating a queer universe and profiting off of it (nothing wrong with that). She's literally pulling from her own life experiences in her "universe". 

 

And no, no one owes a politician a vote. In the US, politicians are servants of the people, which is why Kamala Harris herself said Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people. If said politician does not offer a policy position that fulfills the requirements of the job in the eyes of a voter, it is their right and duty as a citizen to withhold their vote if they choose.

 

Third, no amount of suffering Trump could inflict on queer people in the US will ever reach the amount of suffering Palestinians have been experiencing for decades. Why does our community get to take priority over people quite literally being bombed to death indiscriminately? And that's arguably the most merciful way many Palestinians go. Others are abused, raped, starved, and more before they are killed by another bomb hitting civilian areas.

 

I am voting for Kamala and have been adamant in encouraging others to do so. I've phonebanked for Kamala, donated to her campaign 4 times now and will be knocking on doors for her next month as I live in the swing state of AZ so I feel it's my duty to try and help her get elected. 

 

But I will never tell someone they shouldn't draw a line at genocide. I personally see Kamala as the clear choice, but I don't get to make that choice for others, nor would I want to on a topic like this. Trump terrifies me, but that terror is nothing compared to what Palestinians face.

Friend, 1) queer people have been heinously murdered and tortured for centuries. Don't let your 21st-century perspective muddle the reality of the struggle and how quickly our safety could be taken away instantly. 2) It's an American election with much at stake for us and our direct lives. We can't help anyone else if we're already dead. Think of it like when the stewardess says to place the mask over your face before helping others. 

[Relampago.]

Just now, Squall said:

Trust me, your essays won't change the situation: she is trash for this and there is no excuse. Kamala being pro-Israel won't change the fact Trump is pro-Israel but also anti LBGT (a community she is a part of and she takes advantage of).

Ahh, I see. You don't actually care about getting Kamala elected, you just want to win an internet argument where you take the side of killing innocent civilians and I take the side of "hmm, maybe we should call this out and question it!"

 

In that case, I encourage you to join me in phone banking for Kamala or knocking on some doors for her! She could use some of the anger people feel towards a pop star (not towards a genocide), and channel that into some organization and mobilization.

 

Here's the link to sign up, hope to see you out there!

[Wicked]

"wants to defend minorities", my people die under dem or republican presidents. The way y'all arguments rely on identity politics and even then you don't actually be paying attention to what happens under whose government

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

I don't think that's a good thing, sister! It isn't that hard for Harris to just listen to the majority of voters who share Chappell's views! Sounds like she wants to lose!

You've become a caricature of yourself at this point. Take the trolling down a notch or two.

[Squall]

1 minute ago, Relampago. said:

Ahh, I see. You don't actually care about getting Kamala elected, you just want to win an internet argument where you take the side of killing innocent civilians and I take the side of "hmm, maybe we should call this out and question it!"

 

In that case, I encourage you to join me in phone banking for Kamala or knocking on some doors for her! She could use some of the anger people feel towards a pop star (not towards a genocide), and channel that into some organization and mobilization.

 

Here's the link to sign up, hope to see you out there!

Where did I say this stance was ok? The total nonsense  

 

Also, sorry, I am glad not to be American   Good Luck, Babe! 

[Relampago.]

1 minute ago, on the line said:

Friend, 1) queer people have been heinously murdered and tortured for centuries. Don't let your 21st-century perspective muddle the reality of the struggle and how quickly our safety could be taken away instantly. 2) It's an American election with much at stake for us and our direct lives. We can't help anyone else if we're already dead. Think of it like when the stewardess says to place the mask over your face before helping others. 

Oh I know, that's why despite my disgust at the Biden-Harris's administration's handling of the situation I will be voting for Harris.

 

But Palestinian suffering is real, mine is hypothetical. I couldn't blame others for not wanting to vote for that, especially not Chappell who will face the same theoretical suffering as a queer woman.

[Relampago.]

Just now, Squall said:

Where did I say this stance was ok? The total nonsense  

 

Also, sorry, I am glad not to be American   Good Luck, Babe! 

And there we have it! 

 

Why is it always the foreigners thinking they get to tell Americans how to exercise their civil liberties? Stay in your own lane! 

And don't try it with the "your elections affect the world!" because you just told me to ignore Palestinian suffering, so that's no longer a valid argument. 

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Oh I know, that's why despite my disgust at the Biden-Harris's administration's handling of the situation I will be voting for Harris.

 

But Palestinian suffering is real, mine is hypothetical. I couldn't blame others for not wanting to vote for that, especially not Chappell who will face the same theoretical suffering as a queer woman.

Aren't you in a big city on the west coast? Not everyone in this country has it like us. 

[Squall]

3 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

And there we have it! 

 

Why is it always the foreigners thinking they get to tell Americans how to exercise their civil liberties? Stay in your own lane! 

And don't try it with the "your elections affect the world!" because you just told me to ignore Palestinian suffering, so that's no longer a valid argument. 

I literally never said that but thank you for proving how… smart you are  

 

Also, I will keep on commenting about American politics if I want to, do you have a problem with foreigners? I guess you have a thing in common with Trump