celeb news Janet Jackson on Kamala Harris: "She's not black. That's what I heard"

[kishi]

9 minutes ago, Malkuth said:

My mom is black Caribbean. It doesn't make me half black because my mom is mixed race herself. She has green eyes which means she must have white ancestry even if she has dark skin. I don't think it's really fair for me to go around saying "I'm black" when I'm probably roughly a quarter black. Me and Kamala Harris both benefit from white privilege, even if slightly less than fully white people.

Anyone who is racial ambiguous often benefits from colorism (especially those of a lighter complexion), which is itself about the proximity to whiteness. But I wouldn't say that you all benefit from white privilege per say unless you can pass for white. 

Edited September 27 by kishi

[Malkuth]

7 minutes ago, kishi said:

Anyone who is racial ambiguous often benefits from colorism (especially those of a lighter complexion), which is itself about the proximity to whiteness. But I wouldn't say that you all benefit from white privilege per say unless you can pass for white. 

I do pass for white sometimes, especially when my hair is short (when its long it becomes an afro, kind of like the LMFAO guys, so then its obvious). It's usually black people who notice I'm part black, which I've found interesting. I guess some have mixed race cousins, etc, so they know the look. The exceptions are when I'm in areas which are like 100% white people and then the white people notice I look a bit different to everyone else. But in a multi-cultural area the white people usually consider me white. Also some people just think I'm Arab or south American or Greek or something if I have my hair short.

 

I definitely do benefit from white privilege. And so does Kamala Harris, if she was full-blooded Nigerian or something I highly doubt she'd have climbed to the position she had. Being half-white definitely helped Obama too.

 

I think it would mean a lot to some people if they own up to their white privilege, especially if they insist others do, they should lead by example. You can benefit from white privilege and also be a victim of racism on different occasions. Life is long and complicated.

Edited September 27 by Malkuth

[Alaska.]

On 9/24/2024 at 11:21 PM, mchl said:

He was on the airplane
Sittin' next to this guy
Said he wasn't too shy
And he seemed real nice
Until he found out he was gay
That's so not mellow

This absolute bop

 

Where Are You Now Janet? 

[CaptainMusic]

9 minutes ago, Malkuth said:

My mom is black Caribbean. It doesn't make me half black because my mom is mixed race herself. She has green eyes which means she must have white ancestry even if she has dark skin. I don't think it's really fair for me to go around saying "I'm black" when I'm probably roughly a quarter black. Me and Kamala Harris both benefit from white privilege, even if slightly less than fully white people.

Having white ancestry and green eyes=/=being mixed race

 

99% of Caribbean (and American) black people have white ancestry from slavery. Tyra Banks has green eyes yet she's 79% African and more black genetically than people like myself and Blair Underwood who are dark skinned.

 

The only biracial people who are technically 50% black are the ones with an African parent like Obama, Kamala is no different to biracials like Drake, Alicia, Halle, etc.

 

Kamala does not benefit from white privilege because NOBODY sees her as a white person, she benefits from being biracial and light skinned. 

 

If you don't want to consider yourself black that's up to you, but Kamala is entitled to claim both sides and consider herself both black and Indian if she wants to. 
 

 

[Malkuth]

45 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

Having white ancestry and green eyes=/=being mixed race

 

99% of Caribbean (and American) black people have white ancestry from slavery. Tyra Banks has green eyes yet she's 79% African and more black genetically than people like myself and Blair Underwood who are dark skinned.

 

The only biracial people who are technically 50% black are the ones with an African parent like Obama, Kamala is no different to biracials like Drake, Alicia, Halle, etc.

 

Kamala does not benefit from white privilege because NOBODY sees her as a white person, she benefits from being biracial and light skinned. 

 

If you don't want to consider yourself black that's up to you, but Kamala is entitled to claim both sides and consider herself both black and Indian if she wants to. 
 

 

That's kind of the point though. Tyra Banks has green eyes, that's how we know she must be mixed race. And you said she's 79% black, so I assume she has a DNA test that proves she's part white.

 

Even having green eyes is white privilege. Me and my sisters have blue eyes, and we get "You have such beautiful eyes" constantly. Fully black people don't get this. I own up to it. It benefits me for sure. It makes people assume I'm a good person.

 

Same as people like Halsey and Logic and Mariah Carey for example, looking more white is beneficial in life. Fully black people don't have the option. The fact that so many people dont think Kamala is really black is proof of that. And when white people meet someone like me or Kamala, they can relate to us a lot better. They see us as "sort of one of them". I see this every day. Kamala is a bit darker than me, but she's a LOT lighter than my mom and my mom gets treated unfairly sometimes, whilst my sisters and me (and Kamala) get an easier time because we're more white-passing.

 

Are we really going back to the one-drop rule where me and Kamala have to erase our white ancestry just because we're part black? I hope not. I shouldn't have to deny my whiteness just because my mom is black Caribbean.

 

Also, I think it's worth noting, that those of you who live in the US, most of the African American population there are all mixed race to varying extents. Where I live, we have people from sub-Saharan Africa, immigrating straight from there, in recent years. So I can see a mixed race person a mile off.

 

For you Americans, to help you understand why I'm saying Kamala and Obama benefit from white privilege, look at Akon. He is genuinely 100% black I believe. If Kamala looked like him, she would not have done as well in her career. It would have been twice as hard, far more barriers.

Edited September 27 by Malkuth

[CaptainMusic]

57 minutes ago, Malkuth said:

That's kind of the point though. Tyra Banks has green eyes, that's how we know she must be mixed race. And you said she's 79% black, so I assume she has a DNA test that proves she's part white.

 

Even having green eyes is white privilege. Me and my sisters have blue eyes, and we get "You have such beautiful eyes" constantly. Fully black people don't get this. I own up to it. It benefits me for sure. It makes people assume I'm a good person.

 

Same as people like Halsey and Logic and Mariah Carey for example, looking more white is beneficial in life. Fully black people don't have the option. The fact that so many people dont think Kamala is really black is proof of that. And when white people meet someone like me or Kamala, they can relate to us a lot better. They see us as "sort of one of them". I see this every day. Kamala is a bit darker than me, but she's a LOT lighter than my mom and my mom gets treated unfairly sometimes, whilst my sisters and me (and Kamala) get an easier time because we're more white-passing.

 

Are we really going back to the one-drop rule where me and Kamala have to erase our white ancestry just because we're part black? I hope not. I shouldn't have to deny my whiteness just because my mom is black Caribbean.

 

Also, I think it's worth noting, that those of you who live in the US, most of the African American population there are all mixed race to varying extents. Where I live, we have people from sub-Saharan Africa, immigrating straight from there, in recent years. So I can see a mixed race person a mile off.

 

For you Americans, to help you understand why I'm saying Kamala and Obama benefit from white privilege, look at Akon. He is genuinely 100% black I believe. If Kamala looked like him, she would not have done as well in her career. It would have been twice as hard, far more barriers.

I'm not American, I'm British Caribbean and no offence but I feel like I'm losing brain cells talking to you.

 

Having green eyes and being light skinned does not automatically make you mixed race, it just means you have European DNA like 99% of black people outside Africa, Tyra is still a black woman and once again is more black genetically than someone like Blair Underwood who nobody thinks of as mixed race.   
 

You don't seem to understand:

Having white ancestry =/= being mixed race.

Benefiting from colourism =/= white privilege  

Phenotype =/= Genotype 
 

Halsey, Logic and Mariah benefit from white privilege because they…look white/white passing. 

 

Obama and Kamala do not benefit from white privilege because they…do not look white. They benefit from being biracial and light skin which is different and why they are more privileged than someone like Akon.

You keep talking about your whiteness so i'm assuming your Dad is white and so I'm not sure why you think you're comparable to Kamala who doesn't have a direct white parent and whose white ancestry is from generations ago. Her "white" ancestry is irrelevant and she has never claimed it for good reason. 

 

Kamala is a Black and Indian woman, and identifies as that. The end. 

[Theshigo Washidu]

Her quote is hilarious.

 

However, Kamala is a mixed woman and it doesn't matter what the world sees her as.

An Indian woman cannot give birth to a Black child. The child will be biracial/mixed and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Aethereal]

52 minutes ago, Theshigo Washidu said:

Her quote is hilarious.

 

However, Kamala is a mixed woman and it doesn't matter what the world sees her as.

An Indian woman cannot give birth to a Black child. The child will be biracial/mixed and there's nothing wrong with that.

What about  some African Americans who are up to 40% White? Or the average which is around 20%? They would be considered mixed too?

[LatinFreak]

Oh miss Jackson this just nasty. Can't believe on of the most sex positive and ground breaking artist has become so, whatever this is.  does she live in America now , or is she still in Dubai? 

[kishi]

6 hours ago, LatinFreak said:

Oh miss Jackson this just nasty. Can't believe on of the most sex positive and ground breaking artist has become so, whatever this is.  does she live in America now , or is she still in Dubai? 

She's lived in London for at least 10 years. Never lived in Dubai. 

[The7thStranger]

On 9/26/2024 at 9:54 PM, ClashAndBurn said:

I still think calling your own child you adopted from Africa the n word is worse.

She didn't. She was referring to Rocco. That was a misstep, but ultimately harmless. (Yes, I'm POC; no, I wasn't offended.)

 

And let's be real.

 

Madonna has done a lot worse. The crap she was spewing about vaccines during the pandemic was incredibly dangerous. And let's not forget that she showed herself laughing at a sexual assault survivor in her own documentary that she herself had complete control over.

 

As for Janet, she needs to inform herself or keep her mouth closed.

[IBeMe]

i hate that this has even become a thing. I saw Candace owens was going viral for peddling some weird sinister conspiracies about Kamala's jamaican family. I am tired of ppl taking advantage of what has been a very troubling and sad and dark part of history for the black communities and twisting it to fit their agendas. It's very clear Kamala's jamaican family has a VERY mixed identity due to the tragic history of Jamaica. Now they are counting every percentage to try and discredit her blackness and its ridiculous and super intrusive and just wrong

[ICLDXU4HS]

18 hours ago, Theshigo Washidu said:

Her quote is hilarious.

"That's what I heard" is so "I don't know if it is a man or a woman. I just wasn't sure. I really don't spend any time on the internet, so I guess I live a little under a rock in that respect."-coded. 

 

[Ms. Togekiss]

And then people get mad if she's rightfully called a forgotten fad 

[idkwiam]

Miss Jackson hating a black female is expected. She's an obsessive Tina Turner hater after all 

[The7thStranger]

26 minutes ago, idkwiam said:

She's an obsessive Tina Turner hater after all 

?

[idkwiam]

17 minutes ago, The7thStranger said:

?

It's not a secret that Tina shot her republican brother Randy Jackson and since then she hated Tina. For a reason she didn't post a thing when Tina passed away last year

[Jay07]

1 minute ago, idkwiam said:

It's not a secret that Tina shot her republican brother Randy Jackson and since then she hated Tina. 

What?????

[TOKYO.]

So now we gonna decide that you cant call yourself black when you are mixed. Get a life life

[SoldierofLove]

9 hours ago, idkwiam said:

Miss Jackson hating a black female is expected. She's an obsessive Tina Turner hater after all 

 

9 hours ago, The7thStranger said:

?

 

8 hours ago, idkwiam said:

It's not a secret that Tina shot her republican brother Randy Jackson and since then she hated Tina. For a reason she didn't post a thing when Tina passed away last year

 

8 hours ago, Jay07 said:

What?????

This thread is getting wild 

[Prodigal Self]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:46 AM, The7thStranger said:

She didn't. She was referring to Rocco. That was a misstep, but ultimately harmless. (Yes, I'm POC; no, I wasn't offended.)

is the color in question black?

[AlanRickman1946]

9 hours ago, The7thStranger said:

?

 

9 hours ago, idkwiam said:

It's not a secret that Tina shot her republican brother Randy Jackson and since then she hated Tina. For a reason she didn't post a thing when Tina passed away last year

 

9 hours ago, Jay07 said:

What?????

 

33 minutes ago, SoldierofLove said:

 

 

 

This thread is getting wild 

 

Yesterday via Twitter, Randy Jackson, of the Michael-Janet-La Toya Jacksons, told his followers that Tina Turner shot him in the eighties when he showed up at her house planning to see his (unnamed) then-girfriend. "I guess I caught them off guard. Hmmm…." he wrote. Still, he says he doesn't hold a grudge and went right back to talking about the vast conspiracy behind his brother's death two years ago last week

 

https://www.vulture.com/2011/07/tina_turner_shot_randy_jackson.html

 

 

I1998, Tina Turner's former assistant, Eddy Hampton Armani, published his book ("The Real T: My 22 Years With Tina Turner") and, in it, revealed that the rumor was true. According to Eddy, the incident started over a woman named Bernadette Robi . Bernadette was the ex-wife of NFL legend Lynn Swann and is the current wife of boxing legend Sugar Ray Leonard. At the time, however, Bernadette was the girlfriend of Randy Jackson and, according to Eddy, experiencing a lot of turmoil from that relationship. Apparently Randy was very controlling of Bernadette and forcing her to do things she didn't want to do — things Eddy claimed were too horrific and shocking to mention in his book. But according to Eddy, Bernadette started confiding in Tina and this drove Randy crazy with jealousy. One night while Bernadette was at Tina's house, Randy showed up and demanded to see her. When Tina refused to let him in, Randy went into a rage and tossed a huge flower pot through the glass doors of Tina's house. As Randy entered the house without permission, Tina sprang into action by grabbing her gun and firing at him. Terrified, Randy ran for his life and this is when, according to rumors, he got shot in the ass. Years would go by without Tina or Randy commenting on the incident, but then in 2011, Randy finally confirmed — via Twitter — that the rumor was true, although the legendary Jackson member wouldn't say if the gunshot wound was in the ass or not

Edited October 19 by AlanRickman1946

[The7thStranger]

23 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

 

 

 

 

Yesterday via Twitter, Randy Jackson, of the Michael-Janet-La Toya Jacksons, told his followers that Tina Turner shot him in the eighties when he showed up at her house planning to see his (unnamed) then-girfriend. "I guess I caught them off guard. Hmmm…." he wrote. Still, he says he doesn't hold a grudge and went right back to talking about the vast conspiracy behind his brother's death two years ago last week

 

https://www.vulture.com/2011/07/tina_turner_shot_randy_jackson.html

 

 

I1998, Tina Turner's former assistant, Eddy Hampton Armani, published his book ("The Real T: My 22 Years With Tina Turner") and, in it, revealed that the rumor was true. According to Eddy, the incident started over a woman named Bernadette Robi . Bernadette was the ex-wife of NFL legend Lynn Swann and is the current wife of boxing legend Sugar Ray Leonard. At the time, however, Bernadette was the girlfriend of Randy Jackson and, according to Eddy, experiencing a lot of turmoil from that relationship. Apparently Randy was very controlling of Bernadette and forcing her to do things she didn't want to do — things Eddy claimed were too horrific and shocking to mention in his book. But according to Eddy, Bernadette started confiding in Tina and this drove Randy crazy with jealousy. One night while Bernadette was at Tina's house, Randy showed up and demanded to see her. When Tina refused to let him in, Randy went into a rage and tossed a huge flower pot through the glass doors of Tina's house. As Randy entered the house without permission, Tina sprang into action by grabbing her gun and firing at him. Terrified, Randy ran for his life and this is when, according to rumors, he got shot in the ass. Years would go by without Tina or Randy commenting on the incident, but then in 2011, Randy finally confirmed — via Twitter — that the rumor was true, although the legendary Jackson member wouldn't say if the gunshot wound was in the ass or not

As if I needed another reason to stan Tina.

[SoldierofLove]

24 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

As Randy entered the house without permission, Tina sprang into action by grabbing her gun and firing at him. Terrified, Randy ran for his life and this is when, according to rumors, he got shot in the ass.

Well damn. 
 

[Slap]

3 hours ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

 

 

 

 

Yesterday via Twitter, Randy Jackson, of the Michael-Janet-La Toya Jacksons, told his followers that Tina Turner shot him in the eighties when he showed up at her house planning to see his (unnamed) then-girfriend. "I guess I caught them off guard. Hmmm…." he wrote. Still, he says he doesn't hold a grudge and went right back to talking about the vast conspiracy behind his brother's death two years ago last week

 

https://www.vulture.com/2011/07/tina_turner_shot_randy_jackson.html

 

 

I1998, Tina Turner's former assistant, Eddy Hampton Armani, published his book ("The Real T: My 22 Years With Tina Turner") and, in it, revealed that the rumor was true. According to Eddy, the incident started over a woman named Bernadette Robi . Bernadette was the ex-wife of NFL legend Lynn Swann and is the current wife of boxing legend Sugar Ray Leonard. At the time, however, Bernadette was the girlfriend of Randy Jackson and, according to Eddy, experiencing a lot of turmoil from that relationship. Apparently Randy was very controlling of Bernadette and forcing her to do things she didn't want to do — things Eddy claimed were too horrific and shocking to mention in his book. But according to Eddy, Bernadette started confiding in Tina and this drove Randy crazy with jealousy. One night while Bernadette was at Tina's house, Randy showed up and demanded to see her. When Tina refused to let him in, Randy went into a rage and tossed a huge flower pot through the glass doors of Tina's house. As Randy entered the house without permission, Tina sprang into action by grabbing her gun and firing at him. Terrified, Randy ran for his life and this is when, according to rumors, he got shot in the ass. Years would go by without Tina or Randy commenting on the incident, but then in 2011, Randy finally confirmed — via Twitter — that the rumor was true, although the legendary Jackson member wouldn't say if the gunshot wound was in the ass or not

Miss Jackson really stands by the worst men.  Idgi. She's so amazing and free in so many other ways but just cannot outgrow her weirdly misogynistic, abusive family culture.