DammnBaby Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) On 9/20/2024 at 1:34 PM, Shimenawa said: Also Janet, she never recovered from the Superbowl. She can still tour tho And yet she still had two #1 albums and two #2 albums following the SuperBowl. So it still wasn't this bad. Also, she had 15 years spanning her #1 hits on the Hot 100, whereas Katy had 6, so they didn't even have an equally sustained run at the top. Edited September 24 by DammnBaby 1
CocoPouf Posted September 24 Posted September 24 While I now understand the ideas behind @suburbannature and @Erreur2 La Nature, I don't get the contradictions behind those ideas and the hate behind them. What's the tea sisters? Wasn't Xtina a mega-flop when she started? But now she is a fallen star? Something doesn't match.
suburbannature Posted September 24 Posted September 24 30 minutes ago, CocoPouf said: While I now understand the ideas behind @suburbannature and @Erreur2 La Nature, I don't get the contradictions behind those ideas and the hate behind them. What's the tea sisters? Wasn't Xtina a mega-flop when she started? But now she is a fallen star? Something doesn't match. Did anyone try the chicken
abrahamjmr Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Katy fell from grace a decade ago. Why are we still discussing this ten years later?
TipToe Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, abrahamjmr said: Katy fell from grace a decade ago. Why are we still discussing this ten years later? Technically it started 7 years ago. I have a problem with people pretending she wasn't still seen as cool and popular circa her Superbowl performance, like? There's a reason her 2017 bomb is so iconic, it was somewhat unexpected and kinda random. Let's not rewrite story gheys. 1
Erreur2 La Nature Posted September 24 Posted September 24 3 hours ago, CocoPouf said: While I now understand the ideas behind @suburbannature and @Erreur2 La Nature, I don't get the contradictions behind those ideas and the hate behind them. What's the tea sisters? Wasn't Xtina a mega-flop when she started? But now she is a fallen star? Something doesn't match. What… ? I never pretended Christina was « a mega flop when she started ». She was a big artist, a big celebrity, she got several #1 songs on her debut album showing star power, she got the BNA Grammy thing, she was very popular. She remained popular for some years and was considered an A-List artist, there's no denying that. This is why everyone is shocked these days. While it is natural that your star power declines throughout the years, Christina's has simply disappeared as if it never existed. And not it's just not me and suburbanature. While we enjoy throwing a shade here and there, I mean that's what ATRL is for… the whole website and pop fans in general pretty much all agree with the fact that Legend X feels like a nobody in 2024. 1
lonnie Posted September 24 Posted September 24 On 9/22/2024 at 2:08 PM, Strawberry Bubble said: But she dominated pop music on a much bigger scale than the artists you're mentioning Katy's peak was not as big as Olivia Newton-John's with Grease, her and Christina had similar trajectories in a way and I'd argue Christina was bigger in ways in her earlier years. Katy's domination appears much bigger because it was relatively recent but all those women were huge in their respective ways. Mainstream music is built in such a way where acts get lots of commercial success and are meant to build on it by constantly rebranding, Katy was unable to rebrand successfully and that's similar to most acts, the ones that last long are exceptions. 1
The7thStranger Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Janet with the Superbowl because she didn't deserve all the backlash. Katy made bad choices and had a large hand in where her career is. While there were parts of her downfall that feel orchestrated, nobody forced her to make 143 as far as we know. And nobody forced her to play the victim.
GiftFromGod Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Yes. At least Xtina was able to have Moves Like Jagger/ Feel This Moment / Say Something as soon as her solo career declined.
abrahamjmr Posted September 24 Posted September 24 10 hours ago, TipToe said: Technically it started 7 years ago. I have a problem with people pretending she wasn't still seen as cool and popular circa her Superbowl performance, like? There's a reason her 2017 bomb is so iconic, it was somewhat unexpected and kinda random. Let's not rewrite story gheys. She might have been popular during the Super Bowl but a streak of flops had already started. Didn't Birthday and This Is How You Do flopped chart wise? Katy was coming off one of the biggest streak of hits of the decade and everyone who's chart obsessed was expecting her to do the same. She never recovered, not even after having the most-watched Halftime Show.
perpetual novice Posted September 24 Posted September 24 On 9/20/2024 at 6:22 PM, Strawberry Bubble said: Who's bigger? I actually can't think of anyone else... Nelly Furtado (?) I don't know Michael Jackson's drop from Thriller to his last effort Invincible was pretty catastrophic, that albums first week sales were poor by even today's standards.
CocoPouf Posted September 24 Posted September 24 12 hours ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: What… ? I never pretended Christina was « a mega flop when she started ». She was a big artist, a big celebrity, she got several #1 songs on her debut album showing star power, she got the BNA Grammy thing, she was very popular. She remained popular for some years and was considered an A-List artist, there's no denying that. This is why everyone is shocked these days. While it is natural that your star power declines throughout the years, Christina's has simply disappeared as if it never existed. And not it's just not me and suburbanature. While we enjoy throwing a shade here and there, I mean that's what ATRL is for… the whole website and pop fans in general pretty much all agree with the fact that Legend X feels like a nobody in 2024. Okay so the tea from @suburbannature and @Erreur2 La Nature is: You are mad (?) at the idea of Legend X being a nobody, so you decide to troll her. But if you guys hate her, you shouldn't be affected by that much with her decision not to be in the spotlight as she was. I mean, more room for your faves. I feel like X will keep losing with the trolls. If she is at the top "she is a ******* diva narcissistic cow", if she is not in the spotlight, as you initially desired, then "she is a fallen star". Thankfully she seems happy, content, glowing, and giving her remaining fans material to enjoy. Haters are just hating, no matter what. Please treat her as a nobody and keep her name out of your mouth, dear. She has to be a nobody, she doesn't have to live in your thoughts and prayers. Don't think of her. It is easy.
Iaintsorry Posted September 24 Posted September 24 48 minutes ago, perpetual novice said: Michael Jackson's drop from Thriller to his last effort Invincible was pretty catastrophic, that albums first week sales were poor by even today's standards. Huh? invincible sold 363k first week which is not poor by todays standards. For comparison, his previous record did 391k so it wasn't a huge drop in first week and was consistent with the previous release.
PoisonPill Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Not even close. Katy declined over a decade until reaching the spectacular crash landing we're seeing now. There have been much more drastic and sudden crashes than this.
perpetual novice Posted September 24 Posted September 24 21 minutes ago, Iaintsorry said: Huh? invincible sold 363k first week which is not poor by todays standards. For comparison, his previous record did 391k so it wasn't a huge drop in first week and was consistent with the previous release. I'm speaking relatively, if Taylor dropped to 360k with her next release, it would be considered a monumental tank, which is what Invincible was considered at the time of its release. The fallout with his label was headline news
tonyle1911 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Xtina will always have her talents to fall on. Even though she has not had a commercial success since maybe Say Something. But she is still very respected by the industry and many current pop girls cite her as an inspiration. One thing I love about her is even Bionic is the start of her flops, she has always been proud of that effort and not pretend it didn't happen like many other pop stars when their albums underperformed. You can say she's very invested in her albums. I think she did try to have a comeback in 2013-2014 after her successful collaborations but when she was pregnant with Summer Rain, I believe she made her priorities straight is to focus on her family. So she didn't have a new album until Liberation and then 4-5 more years for Aguilera and new English studio album is NA. liberation with minimal promotion still scored 2 grammy noms and her highest rated album. Aguilera with the WORST album promotion and rollout for any pop artists still won Latin Grammys and a Grammy nom. We don't talk about her less commercial success anymore except Bionic, I think because her recent efforts were truly arts not the charts and she's truly semi-retired. Katy has been trying too hard with chart-chasing songs and really low-quality songs, I think that's why many people lost respect for her, just like JLO. I hope she will still sell out shows that focus on her greatest hits because she's truly a great performer.
James_Joint Posted September 24 Posted September 24 In some ways, like commercial success, I think so. Katys backlash from the cringey performances, bad hair cut, etc, has been nothing compared to Britney in 2007 with her VMAs performance, head shaving, etc. and yet even then, Britney still maintained decent commercial success within and after all of that. The way Katy hasn't really done anything that drastic or bad at the end of the day and still flops like this, is truly bizarre. It's like she never truly had many real fans despite so much commercial success at one point.
chaklux Posted September 25 Posted September 25 I think she is, sadly. The other people mentioned her have other things going on for them . During Christina low era, everyone still knows she is actually talented and still respected for that. Britney Spears has cemented her icon status already had the time of hers. Janet was always going to be a legend, so there was that. Katy has none of this sadly, she is just an artist who used to be a MPG but not anymore. She doesn't have enough respect for her legacy/artistry to cement her icon status. It's really a fall from grace . 1
unclefloprry Posted September 25 Posted September 25 Yes, but it's because all the artists you all mentioned before were never as big as Katy. Janet wasn't that big outside the Anglosphere and Xtina's stats aren't impressive. However, both are respected by the gp, critics, and their peers, which isn't the case with Katy.
Xtripped Posted September 25 Posted September 25 BEP as soon as Fergie left, their career ended. Hit after hit, Superbowl performance and touring stadiums and then nothing.
PlERRE Posted September 25 Posted September 25 Yes. She flopped with Witness, then with Smile, now with 143 + All the songs and collabs she did in between the 3 albums, almost 10 years of flopping including a song with Pikachoo.
spree Posted September 25 Posted September 25 having lived thru the 80's and 90's, I'd say Janet Jackson's fall from grace is definitely up there. She was bigger than Michael and Mariah at one point in terms of hit singles. It just all came immediately crashing down after Nipplegate. Katy's was drastic, but not overnight. It's a shame cuz now young people don't consider Janet a legend, when she is OBVIOUSLY one. She owned the 90's. You just had to be there.
cowboy tyrant Posted September 25 Posted September 25 Katy is still a big enough name to have another smash era with the right sound.
crymelanie Posted September 25 Posted September 25 16 hours ago, cowboy tyrant said: Katy is still a big enough name to have another smash era with the right sound. This.
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