base talk Most annoying celebrities you can think of?

[swissman]

35 minutes ago, Sazare said:

Doing scheduled interviews is not the same thing as being dogged by fans and camerapeople out on the street  

 

Chappell shouldn't have to have a public meltdown before you'll be willing to empathize with her and what she's understandably struggling with.

ya plus isn't her appeal that she's not exactly like other popstars, that she has her own vibe and perspective to her career and her character?

 

the people who essentially are saying to her "sit down, shut it and suck it up" are essentially arguing to continue the status quo. it doesn't matter if Britney had it way worse, we all agree it's bad, so why should we just say "oh it's not as much as Britney so it doesn't matter". What's the threshold someone is allowed to take? Shouldn't it be 0? Hating Chappell over her concerns about fame is weird.

[Strawberry Bubble]

Just now, swissman said:

You seem to think that fame and all the terrible parts of it go hand-in-hand and cannot ever change. Chappell seems to think that by discussing it so frequently and at the start of her career, she might be able to change it.

 

If this annoys you, then so be it, but I can't find a single annoying thing about her standing up for herself even if she does want the notoriety and wide-reaching benefits of being a celebrity, like performing at the VMAs.

I don't think it's a contradiction to not want to be stalked yet also want to perform at an awards ceremony you've watched since you were a kid.

It's really not that hard if you think about it: anyone who constantly complains, despite having way more money and privileges than most people, is just annoying.

 

I do think it's contradictory to say you don't want attention while constantly putting yourself in the spotlight (and always complaining, too). And no, stalking and the downsides of fame won't end just because someone keeps complaining about it—this has been tried by far more compelling figures.

 

Honestly, this is an easy problem to solve: just disappear and stop being everywhere. We'll see if she really means what she says or if it's just another way to get more attention.

 

 

 

 

[Mocha]

I have an irrational hatred for actors who the GP gaslights us into thinking they are hot when they're NOT, not citing names

[swissman]

11 minutes ago, Bitter Aging Twink said:

My point was about your nonsensical comparison between Britney and Chappell's experiences of fame.  Chappell is a grown-a$$ woman who has all her rights intact (and arguably more rights than most people, being a privileged, wealthy white woman with access to every resource in the world).  Britney, on the other hand, had all her rights stripped away from her and was put under a court-ordered conservatorship which prevented her from even accessing her own bank account.

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It's like comparing apples to orange.

Prior to the conservatorship, was Britney not also a "grown ass woman who has all her rights intact...a privileged, wealthy white woman with access to every resource in the world"? Good contract or not, she was still Britney Spears, Princess of Pop. And at this point in her career, was it not the intensity of fame that led to all the awful things she experienced after that? And how would things have been different for Britney if what she experienced wasn't just belittled as "the price of fame"?

 

The point, I think, by comparing a lack of empathy for one situation over the other is that if someone is saying they're having a hard time and are experiencing violating things, they shouldn't have to qualify to a certain amount before anyone can take it seriously. It doesn't need to be apples to apples. The apple and the orange in this situation are both fruit.

[Strawberry Bubble]

41 minutes ago, Sazare said:

Doing scheduled interviews is not the same thing as being dogged by fans and camerapeople out on the street  

 

Chappell shouldn't have to have a public meltdown before you'll be willing to empathize with her and what she's understandably struggling with.

I can't believe I even need to explain this (or maybe you're just ignoring the point): a rich person becoming famous is far from the biggest issue women face in the world. Yet she keeps acting like it's the most important thing ever, even comparing it to real problems like an abusive husband or the struggles that average, non-rich people face every day. Honestly, I bet you and I deal with far more serious challenges than a rich and famous singer. 

 

It's fine to ask fans to respect your boundaries. But if all you do is complain about it, and that becomes your whole persona, it starts to look like you're the one having trouble managing it. Like I said, it's not that difficult—everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame, and she can step away faster than most singers if she really wants to. 

 

And as I said (I'll repeat it because it seems hard for you to grasp the point): The first time she talked about it, I understood her point. But after she started lashing out at regular people and saying she hopes she doesn't have another hit, it's becoming weird, to say the least.

 

When you're constantly complaining, it gets annoying. It's really not that difficult to understand

 

 

 

[swissman]

10 minutes ago, Strawberry Bubble said:

It's really not that hard if you think about it: anyone who constantly complains, despite having way more money and privileges than most people, is just annoying.

 

I do think it's contradictory to say you don't want attention while constantly putting yourself in the spotlight (and always complaining, too). And no, stalking and the downsides of fame won't end just because someone keeps complaining about it—this has been tried by far more compelling figures.

 

Honestly, this is an easy problem to solve: just disappear and stop being everywhere. We'll see if she really means what she says or if it's just another way to get more attention.

 

 

 

 

Stalking and the downsides of fame won't end by NOT talking about it, that's for sure.

[Sazare]

8 minutes ago, Strawberry Bubble said:

I can't believe I even need to explain this (or maybe you're just ignoring the point): a rich person becoming famous is far from the biggest issue women face in the world. Yet she keeps acting like it's the most important thing ever, even comparing it to real problems like an abusive husband or the struggles that average, non-rich people face every day. Honestly, I bet you and I deal with far more serious challenges than a rich and famous singer. 

 

It's fine to ask fans to respect your boundaries. But if all you do is complain about it, and that becomes your whole persona, it starts to look like you're the one having trouble managing it. Like I said, it's not that difficult—everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame, and she can step away faster than most singers if she really wants to. 

 

And as I said (I'll repeat it because it seems hard for you to grasp the point): The first time she talked about it, I understood her point. But after she started lashing out at regular people and saying she hopes she doesn't have another hit, it's becoming weird, to say the least.

 

When you're constantly complaining, it gets annoying. It's really not that difficult to understand

 

 

 

DOES CHAPPELL NEED TO BE SHOT IT IN THE HEAD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT HIM AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT HARASSES HER HAS GONE TOO FAR? SHES A HUMAN BEING.

[Sazare]

Britney stans in here trying to gatekeep the pressures and psychological toll of fame

 

"Chappell isn't as famous as Britney was so her struggles are invalid"

[Bitter Aging Twink]

11 minutes ago, swissman said:

Prior to the conservatorship, was Britney not also a "grown ass woman who has all her rights intact...a privileged, wealthy white woman with access to every resource in the world"? Good contract or not, she was still Britney Spears, Princess of Pop. And at this point in her career, was it not the intensity of fame that led to all the awful things she experienced after that? And how would things have been different for Britney if what she experienced wasn't just belittled as "the price of fame"?

 

The point, I think, by comparing a lack of empathy for one situation over the other is that if someone is saying they're having a hard time and are experiencing violating things, they shouldn't have to qualify to a certain amount before anyone can take it seriously. It doesn't need to be apples to apples. The apple and the orange in this situation are both fruit.

When Britney was in her prime, was she in the headlines everyday saying "I hope I don't win a grammy so I never have to work again," "I hope I never have another hit song," "I'm too lazy to film a music video for my latest single," "I never want to meet any of my fans"?  Was she?  All I am doing is calling out the hypocrisy of Chappell saying these things while simultaneously doing the exact opposite (i.e. booking dozens of high-profile performances and canceling all her smaller, more "intimate" shows, which is strange for someone who "allegedly" hates being famous.

[swissman]

It's a bit hypocritical to spend time complaining about someone for...complaining.

[Bitter Aging Twink]

1 minute ago, swissman said:

It's a bit hypocritical to spend time complaining about someone for...complaining.

Nice strawman, babe! This is a pop culture forum? What are we supposed to do? Just pretend we love every celebrity and they are immune to criticism.

[Hunter_13]

Beyoncè really annoys me with her "goddess" and "queen" behavior. The fact she and Jay-Z think people ought to worship her is such a turn off. 

[Bitter Aging Twink]

11 minutes ago, Sazare said:

Britney stans in here trying to gatekeep the pressures and psychological toll of fame

 

"Chappell isn't as famous as Britney was so her struggles are invalid"

First of all, I'm not a Britney stan.  And I never said the psychological toll of fame is something to be gatekeeped.  And second of all, reading comprehension, babe.  You didn't even read what I wrote.  You're just cherry-picking things and catastrophizing them to make it look worse than it is.  Since you're too probably too lazy to go back and re-read what I wrote, I will re-paste my text here from the previous page:

 

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Chappell has the right to hate her own fame.  But what she doesn't have the right to do is to then go on to book a million high-profile performances like SNL, the VMAs, etc., especially after claiming she has the "best contract" that was specifically designed to afford her maximum creative control.  She basically has more privilege right now than 99% of American women her age who have to work 10 hours a day at sh!tty jobs they hate, just to get by.

She can complain about fame - that's fine.  The part that bothers me is the hypocrisy of wanting all the benefits of fame (money, access to resources) but none of the burdens (stalking, harassment, being obliged to engage with fans, etc).  If those things were so bad (as she claims), then she would pull back from doing high-profile interviews and performances and focus on her original fans.  But no, that's not what she's done.  In fact, she's done the exact opposite.  She's canceled many of her smaller shows for her OG fans and has done the very thing she supposedly "hates," which is to perform for larger crowds, in an effort to become more famous.  As a 27-year-old woman who has been performing since she was a teenager, she should know better that these high-profile appearances will come with consequences, and she should hire a bodyguard or find better ways to cope.  The general public cannot relate to her "struggles," and to us it just comes across as whiny and ungrateful.  And it's hard to frame it any other way than that.

[swissman]

2 minutes ago, Bitter Aging Twink said:

When Britney was in her prime, was she in the headlines everyday saying "I hope I don't win a grammy so I never have to work again," "I hope I never have another hit song," "I'm too lazy to film a music video for my latest single," "I never want to meet any of my fans"?  Was she?  All I am doing is calling out the hypocrisy of Chappell saying these things while simultaneously doing the exact opposite (i.e. booking dozens of high-profile performances and canceling all her smaller, more "intimate" shows, which is strange for someone who "allegedly" hates being famous.

They are two different artists in two different generations. Millenials and Gen Z particularly have different views surrounding what they allow from the status quo.

 

And I understand you are probably not intending to quote her verbatim, but you're leaving a lot out. For example, the interview about losing a Grammy didn't have anything about "so I never have to work again", in fact she discussed how to preserve her mental health so she doesn't stop making music:
 

"I feel ambitious about making this sustainable. That's my biggest goal right now. My brain is like: quit right now, take next year off. This industry and artistry f***ing thrive on mental illness, burnout, overworking yourself, overextending yourself, not sleeping. You get bigger the more unhealthy you are. Isn't that so f***ed up? The ambition is: how do I not hate myself, my job, my life, and do this? Because right now, it's not working. I'm just scrambling to try to feel healthy."

The headline talking points are not everything she says and holding her to them is unfair.

[swissman]

13 minutes ago, Hunter_13 said:

Beyoncè really annoys me with her "goddess" and "queen" behavior. The fact she and Jay-Z think people ought to worship her is such a turn off. 

name one time when she and Jay-Z thought people ought to worship her.

[swissman]

15 minutes ago, Bitter Aging Twink said:

Nice strawman, babe! This is a pop culture forum? What are we supposed to do? Just pretend we love every celebrity and they are immune to criticism.

I didn't say that at all, actually. I spoke to the hypocricsy specific in this one type of complaining.

[WhateverYouWant]

I like Christina and her music for the most part but God do some of her mannerisms and her laugh annoy me. 

[swissman]

If it's easy enough for Chappell to just give up her goals and artistic ambitions so that she doesn't have to experience the negative aspects of fame, as many are suggesting she must do because it is so annoying for you to read or hear about, then logically it should be just as easy for you, a non-fan, to neither read nor watch any of her interviews, to simply scroll past her content, to not talk about her in threads. If what she's saying is soooooo annoying to you, take your own advice and don't put yourself in positions where you experience it.

 

But of course, that's not the case. We all have desires and ambitions that sometimes contradict how seeking them makes us feel.

 

Chappell is 100% allowed to complain and be open about how she feels about fame. She is also allowed to want her music to reach as many people as possible, to get fun, creative opportunities like the VMAs, to do interviews with Rolling Stone, etc. She is still allowed to dislike elements that all of these things create. It's almost as if no one gets that in order for things to change for the better, you have to at the very least acknowledge them. And don't you think Chappell being so open about her struggles with fame and even being haughty towards it may change the way younger stars look at it, alter what they deem acceptable, etc.?

As Beyoncé mentioned in her GQ interview, in the 1990s they didn't discuss mental health at all, and it's something she's now had to prioritize to keep herself healthy in this industry. If Chappell's mental health is affected by her job, that doesn't mean she necessarily needs to quit, it means you need to address the aspects of the job that are not healthy for her or anyone.

[Strawberry Bubble]

34 minutes ago, Sazare said:

DOES CHAPPELL NEED TO BE SHOT IT IN THE HEAD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT HIM AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT HARASSES HER HAS GONE TOO FAR? SHES A HUMAN BEING.

Okay, I'm going to explain this very slowly since it seems you're having trouble understanding basic concepts...

 

If you want security and to stop being famous (like she claims, saying she doesn't want a Grammy or another hit), you don't broadcast that everywhere. It's not smart because you'll get the opposite result: you'll become even more famous (in a negative way), and people will harass you more. It's neither smart nor a major issue. You and I are far more likely to get shot in the head than someone who can afford bodyguards and a mansion to protect her

 

And no, you don't need to be media trained to understand this—it's just basic intuition.

[Strawberry Bubble]

43 minutes ago, swissman said:

Stalking and the downsides of fame won't end by NOT talking about it, that's for sure.

I'm sorry to say this, but it won't end either way—whether you talk about it or not. It all depends on you: whether you seek therapy and work on improving yourself (if you want to keep growing artistically), or whether you let this overwhelm you.

[Strawberry Bubble]

1 hour ago, Bitter Aging Twink said:

Well duh, this is ATRL.  Of course I am desperate for likes and reacts. Why else are we here? And you are literally giving me everything I want: engagement and to piss people off.

 

Anyway, OT: My point wasn't about stalkers, paparazzi, and exhaustion being difficult to deal with.  My point was about your nonsensical comparison between Britney and Chappell's experiences of fame.  Chappell is a grown-a$$ woman who has all her rights intact (and arguably more rights than most people, being a privileged, wealthy white woman with access to every resource in the world).  Britney, on the other hand, had all her rights stripped away from her and was put under a court-ordered conservatorship which prevented her from even accessing her own bank account. She was constantly threatened by her conservators to have her children taken away from her if she didn't perform and do interviews.  Chappell, on the other hand, supposedly has "the best recording contract in the world" that affords her the privilege to work as much as she pleases, yet every single news headline from her is a complaint about how much she hates her own success and wishes she wasn't famous, hates having to engage with fans, etc.  That's fine and dandy if she feels that way.  She has the right to hate her own fame.  But what she doesn't have the right to do is to go onto book a million high-profile performances like SNL, the VMAs, etc., especially after claiming she has the "best contract" that was specifically designed to afford her maximum creative control.  She basically has more privilege right now than 99% of American women her age who have to work 10 hours a day at sh!tty jobs they hate, just to get by.  So, yeah, when you say s**t like this it is offensive:

 

It's like comparing apples to orange.

Let's keep the discussion going, sweetie, we need more comments on this post. (Chappell will still be annoying regardless of the outcome of this discussion.)

[Strawberry Bubble]

37 minutes ago, swissman said:

It's a bit hypocritical to spend time complaining about someone for...complaining.

Guess that's what Chappell brings—just negativity everywhere (along with self-pity and people falling for first-world problems)

[duybeeGAshantiGA]

@Strawberry Bubble they will never understand because they dont want to. Just let them be.

[technoprayer]

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Selena Gomez

Grimes

Demi Lovato

Nicki Minaj

Taylor Swift

Lil Nas X

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[Strawberry Bubble]

2 minutes ago, duybeeGAshantiGA said:

@Strawberry Bubble they will never understand because they dont want to. Just let them be.

Thanks, sis, I'm having fun with this 

 

I love these kinds of discussions, lol

 

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