ClashAndBurn Posted September 15 Posted September 15 4 hours ago, Letemtalk said: He is correct, Democrats and Republicans both support a genocide in Gaza, but people in here are surprised to see violent racism at home. 1 hour ago, LIT said: Two things: One, this blood libel targeting Haitian immigrants feels like possibly the most "classically fascist" thing the Trump movement has ever done, even more so than January 6th. Two, I absolutely believe it is not a coincidence that we are seeing this upsurge in vocally racist anti-immigrant sentiment at the same time that both major political parties have normalized genocidal pro-Israel ethnonationalism in America. I'd connect it more directly to Democrats completely conceding on the immigration issue to the Republicans and giving credence to far right policies as being reasonable ideas. Both parties have always been horrendously pro-genocide against Palestinians. The Overton Window hasn't moved right on that issue. If anything, the horror at what we're doing in the Middle East as well as fears over potential blowback from our actions are leading to a shift away from the unconditional support for Israel that is backed up by Biden, Harris, and Trump. Immigration sentiment has taken the hardest right turn since Eisenhower's Operation ******* in the 50s… due to the stances that have been taken up by both parties. 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted September 15 Posted September 15 4 hours ago, Letemtalk said: He is correct, Democrats and Republicans both support a genocide in Gaza, but people in here are surprised to see violent racism at home. 1 hour ago, LIT said: Two things: One, this blood libel targeting Haitian immigrants feels like possibly the most "classically fascist" thing the Trump movement has ever done, even more so than January 6th. Two, I absolutely believe it is not a coincidence that we are seeing this upsurge in vocally racist anti-immigrant sentiment at the same time that both major political parties have normalized genocidal pro-Israel ethnonationalism in America. I'd connect it more directly to Democrats completely conceding on the immigration issue to the Republicans and giving credence to far right policies as being reasonable ideas. Both parties have always been horrendously pro-genocide against Palestinians. The Overton Window hasn't moved right on that issue. If anything, the horror at what we're doing in the Middle East as well as fears over potential blowback from our actions are leading to a shift away from the unconditional support for Israel that is backed up by Biden, Harris, and Trump. Immigration sentiment has taken the hardest right turn since Eisenhower's Operation ******* in the 50s… due to the stances that have been taken up by both parties.
Communion Posted September 15 Posted September 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, réveuse said: I understand that the Democrats and the Republicans are horrible and genocidal; however, the topic is about threats to endanger Haitian immigrants, which is rooted by Republicans inciting hatred against them (Haitian immigrants). The issue is that the parties are not the same, but overlap in a way that results in a ratchet effect. Republicans are going after Venezuelan and Haitian migrants because progressives pushed the Biden admin to re-open specific ports of entry for asylum seekers and the Biden admin did the minimum of a parole program specifically for those from Cuba, Venezuela, Haiti, and Nicaragua. Republicans obviously aren't going to go after Cuban migrants who are overtly right-wing, but they've long attacked Nicaraguan migrants as who they claim lead the "migrant caravans" that they claim are heading to America every 2 years from Central America. The ratchet effect is that Republicans see that they can exploit Democrats' lack of confidence to win without a big tent - ending up spread ideologically thin with an unstable coalition - and force Dems to move right on immigration. The issue of immigration then becomes an issue of up'ing the ante on how far Republicans can go in normalizing fascist rhetoric and how much of it Dems will sit in silence and be spineless in response to because they've made the incorrect electoral calculus on how to win. Dems want to sign an immigration bill that Congressional Republicans wrote - the GOP has won the issue. This level of escalation show that Democrats must push back and run back to the left on immigration, not endorse Republican narratives. Reference 1) The Biden admin spent the first 2 years of his presidency mass deporting Haitian asylum seekers under the guise of COVID protections: On 9/10/2024 at 11:37 AM, Communion said: Friendly reminder that Biden for the first 2 years of his presidency was using the full brutality of Trump's previous work to terrorize Haitian migrants and including them in the mass deportations occuring under him keeping Trump's Title 42 policy in place due to COVID: And it was only under leftist pressure did the Biden admin fold and begin expanding additional ports of entry to Haitian migrants crossing the border via a parole program (leftists pushing for this even with most in this program being right wing migrants from places like Cuba and Venezula that ultimately oppose leftist goals, when it'd just be as "easy" for leftists to join in on the brutality aimed against said migrants groups and yet we dont): And yet we're still seeing the Biden-Harris admin bounce between what has worked in degrees vs returning to reactionary nativist immigration ideas as conservatives try to leverage the issue and how domestic policies to make a "controlled stream" of "steady migration" clash with the realities of foreign policy that make such "good for optics" center-right immigration policies inevitably unstable even with tweaks and fixes. On 9/14/2024 at 12:51 AM, Communion said: This is how the current Democratic administration was treating Haitian migrants just 3 years ago: Reference 2) The Ohio Democratic Senator, Sherrod Brown, is not outright denying the obviously racist lies about Haitian migrants in Springfield, showing the issue when the party moves to the right nationally; battleground Dems don't have it *easier* by not having to answer to national Dems; they have it *harder* cause they too must now even more farther right from the right-wing space they already exist: On 9/14/2024 at 12:45 PM, Communion said: Also of note - moving to the right on issues in some imagined scenario it helps win the presidency inadvertently just makes battleground Congressional races harder. None of Sherrod Brown's statements address that the claim is a lie: This is Sherrod's only statement thus far while Vance has been outwardly running with the story on every news channel. Having the Dem senator push back outwardly could help kill the story and yet it seems Brown feels boxed in and trapped on how to address it. Moreno is basically now making this the entire issue against his race against Brown for the Senate seat. If Brown loses, Dems losing the Senate is 100% gonna be attributed to a backlash to immigration and Republicans + centrist Dems are not only gonna pass the far right "bipartisan" immigration bill but make it even worse than it already is. Edited September 15 by Communion 1
Communion Posted September 15 Posted September 15 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: I'd connect it more directly to Democrats completely conceding on the immigration issue to the Republicans and giving credence to far right policies as being reasonable ideas. Both parties have always been horrendously pro-genocide against Palestinians. The Overton Window hasn't moved right on that issue. If anything, the horror at what we're doing in the Middle East as well as fears over potential blowback from our actions are leading to a shift away from the unconditional support for Israel that is backed up by Biden, Harris, and Trump. Immigration sentiment has taken the hardest right turn since Eisenhower's Operation ******* in the 50s… due to the stances that have been taken up by both parties. @LIT @Letemtalk Also, if we were to try to make some connection of this to Israel-Palestine, I think the issue is kind of encapsulated in the below. I hate that it's a right-wing person tweet this and I use it not to agree with them but to show the cognitive dissonance in people who recognize horrific racism within the US but do not understand it within the context of Israel-Palestine, even when the right-wing says it so openly for us to see in their conversations (I saw the below RT from stumbling on Anna K from Red Scare's twitter after seeing people dunk on her for another dumb thing she tweeted). That an American conservative saying "We cannot live amongst non-white migrants, they are mongrels who will rape our women, spread disease, and destroy our culture" = the vast majority of Israelis saying "We cannot live side by side in one state with Palestinians, they are mongrels who will rape our women, spread disease, and destroy our culture". And to put the onus on liberals to see the cognitive dissonance in supporting in Israel by displaying the objective realities that this virulent racism is identical. Right-Americans are turning right to "liberal" American Zionists and going "oh, so now ethno-states are bad??" and we should recognize both groups for the racists they are. 2
katara Posted September 15 Posted September 15 So Haitians are the new minority group of the month to attack by bigots? So random...
Mr.X Posted September 16 Posted September 16 On 9/15/2024 at 4:14 PM, réveuse said: I understand that the Democrats and the Republicans are horrible and genocidal; however, the topic is about threats to endanger Haitian immigrants, which is rooted by Republicans inciting hatred against them (Haitian immigrants). The democrats - including Biden and Kamala - have been anti-migrant forever, including anti-Hatitians 1
Letemtalk Posted September 17 Posted September 17 On 9/16/2024 at 4:26 AM, Distantconstellation said: U sound like trump U sound incredibly stupid when you use that "U sound like trump" argument. On 9/16/2024 at 4:26 AM, Distantconstellation said: This is about trump, vance, neonazis and all maga inciting violence against haitians This is about American racism.
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