LIT Posted September 13 Posted September 13 "This is what our ruling class has decided will be normal." — Aaron Bushnell 1
DevilsRollTheDice Posted September 13 Posted September 13 Incredibly sad. We need to have some ability to discuss the intersection of social movements, extreme language, and mental illness. 9 5 2
Taylena Posted September 13 Posted September 13 He should've set the consulate on fire instead. 2 5 1 2 3
ATRL Moderator feelslikeadream Posted September 13 ATRL Moderator Posted September 13 21 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: Incredibly sad. We need to have some ability to discuss the intersection of social movements, extreme language, and mental illness. So true; I'm not a doctor, but wonder what kind of mental illnesses our world leaders have that allows them to continue to fund a genocide without dying from shame. I know lack of empathy is indicative of some mental illnesses, but honestly not sure which. 8 2
byzantium Posted September 13 Posted September 13 This is incredibly sad. However, I don't think a country that is fine with the extermination of an entire people is going to have an issue with more death. 3
Cry Posted September 13 Posted September 13 5 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said: So true; I'm not a doctor, but wonder what kind of mental illnesses our world leaders have that allows them to continue to fund a genocide without dying from shame. I know lack of empathy is indicative of some mental illnesses, but honestly not sure which. Greed. 2
DevilsRollTheDice Posted September 13 Posted September 13 (edited) 6 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said: So true; I'm not a doctor, but wonder what kind of mental illnesses our world leaders have that allows them to continue to fund a genocide without dying from shame. I know lack of empathy is indicative of some mental illnesses, but honestly not sure which. Totally agree. I also think the implication that someone taking their life/severely injuring their body is a form of effective/noble protest is dangerous and disproportionately impacts mentally ill people. 99% of leftists glorifying this form of protest would never do it personally and would be devastated if someone in their personal circles followed this example. We can condemn genocide without encouraging folks to take their lives. Edited September 13 by DevilsRollTheDice 1
ATRL Moderator feelslikeadream Posted September 13 ATRL Moderator Posted September 13 19 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: 99% of leftists glorifying this form of protest would never do it personally and would be devastated if someone in their personal circles followed this example. We can condemn genocide without encouraging folks to take their lives. Ah, I think we're just in different circles then, because the leftists I know/see on social media aren't "glorifying" this or Aaron's death, instead highlighting how sad it is that they resorted to such extreme measures to draw attention to the matter. Def don't see anyone "encouraging folks to take their lives" either, but again, I guess we're seeing different content. 2 1
Gui Blackout Posted September 13 Posted September 13 Incredibly disturbing how many people have and continue to praise this actions as heroism. These men are deeply mentally unwell, and it's sad that they didn't get the help they needed. Suicide is not activism. 7 2 3
heckinglovato Posted September 13 Posted September 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gui Blackout said: Incredibly disturbing how many people have and continue to praise this actions as heroism. These men are deeply mentally unwell, and it's sad that they didn't get the help they needed. Suicide is not activism. You're clearly not well-versed in history and how many examples exist where various acts of heroism happened by intentionally ending one's own life, including self-immolation, such as Jewish resistance movements under the holocaust, regarded by the whole world and certainly by Israel as heroes. Stick to stuff you know about maybe? Edited September 13 by heckinglovato 1 2 1
heckinglovato Posted September 13 Posted September 13 2 hours ago, byzantium said: This is incredibly sad. However, I don't think a country that is fine with the extermination of an entire people is going to have an issue with more death. You thought this self-immolation in Boston was an attempt to get Israel to immediately drop their carpet bombing of Gaza, and not to garner US media attention to the cause? Genuinely curious about your thought process here
byzantium Posted September 13 Posted September 13 12 minutes ago, heckinglovato said: You thought this self-immolation in Boston was an attempt to get Israel to immediately drop their carpet bombing of Gaza, and not to garner US media attention to the cause? Genuinely curious about your thought process here The US seems perfectly fine with the genocide and probably thinks this person in Boston was Hamas. I think they are just ok with all this horror.
heckinglovato Posted September 13 Posted September 13 23 minutes ago, byzantium said: The US seems perfectly fine with the genocide and probably thinks this person in Boston was Hamas. I think they are just ok with all this horror. Aaaaaand that's why activism is important
surprisecentres Posted September 13 Posted September 13 It's so sad that a certain movement glorifies this. If only his mental illness had been treated during his life :( 8
byzantium Posted September 14 Posted September 14 8 hours ago, heckinglovato said: Aaaaaand that's why activism is important But let's not encourage self harm like this. America is ok with death. The purpose of activism is to challenge people, not give them what they are comfortable with.
ICLDXU4HS Posted September 14 Posted September 14 9 hours ago, surprisecentres said: It's so sad that a certain movement glorifies this. If only his mental illness had been treated during his life :( Lead by example and have yourself committed. 3
DevilsRollTheDice Posted September 15 Posted September 15 On 9/13/2024 at 2:00 PM, feelslikeadream said: Ah, I think we're just in different circles then, because the leftists I know/see on social media aren't "glorifying" this or Aaron's death, instead highlighting how sad it is that they resorted to such extreme measures to draw attention to the matter. Def don't see anyone "encouraging folks to take their lives" either, but again, I guess we're seeing different content. Well, you can see that glorification in this very thread now! Even being called an act of heroism. Not sure how you can be entrenched in these circles and not see this common occurrence. 1 1
Daddy Posted September 16 Posted September 16 On 9/14/2024 at 12:10 AM, surprisecentres said: It's so sad that a certain movement glorifies this. If only his mental illness had been treated during his life :( Aren't you a Zionazi? Ewww.
Sannie Posted September 16 Posted September 16 On 9/13/2024 at 2:26 PM, Gui Blackout said: Incredibly disturbing how many people have and continue to praise this actions as heroism. These men are deeply mentally unwell, and it's sad that they didn't get the help they needed. Suicide is not activism. Right? The very people who praise these kinds of actions would never be brave enough to do it themselves. Acting like lighting yourself on fire is a result of anything other than unchecked mental illness is mental illness in an of itself. I don't know why y'all are so resistant to calling this what it is... That doesn't mean this person didn't care deeply about Gaza, I'm sure he did, but it's still caused by mental illness, the same with any type of suicide. Refusing to accept that is glorying mental illness and suicide, which is disgusting when you're not the ones affected.
Communion Posted September 17 Posted September 17 (edited) On 9/13/2024 at 1:07 PM, DevilsRollTheDice said: Incredibly sad. We need to have some ability to discuss the intersection of social movements, extreme language, and mental illness. On 9/13/2024 at 2:26 PM, Gui Blackout said: Incredibly disturbing how many people have and continue to praise this actions as heroism. These men are deeply mentally unwell, and it's sad that they didn't get the help they needed. Suicide is not activism. On 9/13/2024 at 6:10 PM, surprisecentres said: It's so sad that a certain movement glorifies this. If only his mental illness had been treated during his life :( 19 hours ago, Sannie said: Right? The very people who praise these kinds of actions would never be brave enough to do it themselves. Acting like lighting yourself on fire is a result of anything other than unchecked mental illness is mental illness in an of itself. I don't know why y'all are so resistant to calling this what it is... That doesn't mean this person didn't care deeply about Gaza, I'm sure he did, but it's still caused by mental illness, the same with any type of suicide. Refusing to accept that is glorying mental illness and suicide, which is disgusting when you're not the ones affected. Something deeply disturbing about liberals using new age therapy speak and jargon to try and ultimately defend a new holocaust: 'A sane person wouldn't do that and thus this is about mental illness and not genocide," could be morphed and deformed to be about anything from hunger strikes to handcuffing one's self to something. Edited September 17 by Communion 1 1
DevilsRollTheDice Posted September 17 Posted September 17 Users who imply that people should use suicide as a form of protest should be banned. Dangerous, unhinged behavior. No one is trying to defend the genocide happening in Gaza by saying that people shouldn't be encouraged to kill themselves as a form of protest. Plot lost. 1
Communion Posted September 17 Posted September 17 (edited) 46 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: people shouldn't be encouraged You're being called out for trying to discredit genocide by framing an attempt to protest it as mental illness and the flawed logic at hand you're hoping to weaponize to feel good about yourself endorsing the slaughter of children. There's a myriad of ways to criticize forms of protest, like arguing it is ultimately ineffective, without the attempt to discredit motivations behind the protest itself as mental illness. That your politics guides you to use therapy speak in the defense of the mass slaughter of children itself feels worthy of a permaban but I digress. Edited September 17 by Communion 1
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