Edonis Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Michigan has one of the highest populations of Palestinian Americans in the country. This should be a surprise to no one, including Biden administration/Harris campaign.
Sugar-Rush Posted September 10 Posted September 10 How? Trump is just as pro-Israel as Kamala, probably even more so. Also he very blatantly dislikes Muslims.
Popular Post welham Posted September 10 Popular Post Posted September 10 Expecting Muslim Americans to "cave" to liberal arguments of "Jill is a Russian asset!!1!1 Teh Russians!!1!" as if they ever cared about that bs All while the candidate they're expected to support has came out committing to fund and arm a genocide of a group of people they identify with Their arguments essentially coming down to "not voting Harris is a vote for Trump to commit a quick genocide. Meanwhile, OUR candidate will bless your people with a slow, painful one instead; and there will be empty platitudes and even more gaslighting!! What more do you want!!1!" A party so committed to funding and arming one of the most well-documented genocide, they're willing to risk losing an election 15
byzantium Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Why would these people be so against the Biden-Harris genocide of their people? 11
welham Posted September 10 Posted September 10 11 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said: How? Trump is just as pro-Israel as Kamala, probably even more so. Also he very blatantly dislikes Muslims. There are conservative Trump voters from virtually every minority group in the U.S. This is merely a testament to the unpopularity of the current administration's support of the genocide. The undecided alone are 21%, while Jill is at 40%. There is a good chance that some of the conservative portion would've been swayed if Kamala committed to stop the genocide and showed that she is already exerting pressure in that direction, yet she went the opposite way. "The genocide is happening either way, might as well vote conservative." Still very dumb and dangerous, but that's what we have. You would've seen a much different scenario if Kamala even TRIED to pretend she is truly trying to end the war beyond vague and baseless rhetoric, but she's not. 6 2
IBeMe Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Kamala is still going to win but it's heartbreaking she and the dems in general are not trying at all to win the Muslim votes. It's like literally the only group they are not catering to AT ALL. A clear rejection of this community by both sides. Leaving a constituency so disenchanted and underrepresented is a horrible message. Muslims are also expected to surpass the Jewish vote by 2030. Its time American politicians start to hear them out 1
Communion Posted September 10 Author Posted September 10 11 minutes ago, welham said: There are conservative Trump voters from virtually every minority group in the U.S. This is merely a testament to the unpopularity of the current administration's support of the genocide. The undecided alone are 21%, while Jill is at 40%. There is a good chance that some of the conservative portion would've been swayed if Kamala committed to stop the genocide and showed that she is already exerting pressure in that direction, yet she went the opposite way. "The genocide is happening either way, might as well vote conservative." Still very dumb and dangerous, but that's what we have. You would've seen a much different scenario if Kamala even TRIED to pretend she is truly trying to end the war beyond vague and baseless rhetoric, but she's not. This is a good point. It feels important to note that some pundits may theorize some conservative bias for why Harris may be doing poorly, but that ultimately ends up ignoring historical affiliation trends of Muslim Americans identifying largely as Democrats regardless of how they describe their religiosity, and that identifying one's own interpretation of faith =/= politics and party affiliation. In the below crosstabs, there is a slight trend, but any idea of it being meaningful is over-stated, for example. Harris and Stein both claim more of the "conservative Muslim" vote than Trump and a majority of self-identifying "conservative Muslims" are voting for either Dems or Greens. Harris is simply doing worst in Michigan because it has the greatest proportion of Arab Americans, who are the demographic most polarized by the Biden-Harris administration's current support for Israel's genocide. 2
kimberly Posted September 10 Posted September 10 31 minutes ago, IBeMe said: Kamala is still going to win but it's heartbreaking she and the dems in general are not trying at all to win the Muslim votes. It's like literally the only group they are not catering to AT ALL. A clear rejection of this community by both sides. Leaving a constituency so disenchanted and underrepresented is a horrible message. Muslims are also expected to surpass the Jewish vote by 2030. Its time American politicians start to hear them out unfortunately, Muslim Americans do not have the deep pockets desired by politicians. plus, the dems are banking on this community to fear another four years of Trump and his Muslim travel bans enough to go out and vote against him — which will likely happen, despite all this polling. Citizens United is the worst thing that happened to American democracy and it's one of the main reasons the US has not enacted the Leahy Law against Israel. 4
Onyxmage Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Oh no. Kamala should just pack her bags and give it up now. 6 3
ChooseyLover Posted September 10 Posted September 10 If I was American I'd vote Jill too and I think many progressive minded voters should seriously consider it. If you don't vote for the values you stand for you're doing a disservice to yourself and to democracy. You'll never watch me vote out of fear. 1 3 2
bad guy Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Below Trump is crazy and very worrying for her campaign 1
Arthoe Posted September 10 Posted September 10 1 hour ago, Sugar-Rush said: How? Trump is just as pro-Israel as Kamala, probably even more so. Also he very blatantly dislikes Muslims. I genuinely think that the hypocrisy of Harris supporting the genocide is what is hurting her. People can handle straight up hate, but dealing with disappointment, trickery and being politely told that you should croak is way harder to handle. Trump is a genocidal, hate-spewing facist, but we all know that from the getgo. Harris initially ran a very progressive campaign that has turned VERY conservative (very akin to Joe Biden in 2020 which people noticed). A good chunk of her campaign is centered about the SAME things and goals Trump wants (border wall with Mexico, genocide in Gaza, no legal protections for queer people, cutting taxes for big corporate), just worded slightly more politely. We saw how protestors AND people who report on her protestors get treated (public humiliation, personal attacks, journalists getting thrown out of the DNC because they interviewed delegates who are uncommitted). She ran on wanting change, but as her campaign unfolds people realize that nothing changes at all. Being hopeful of achieving something, only to find out you were bamboozled in the process tends to make people more upset than knowing they don't even have a chance. 3 1
beautiful player Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Yes Jill sweetie ! You better siphon those crucial swing state votes away from a potential left/liberal majority /s 1
Onyxmage Posted September 10 Posted September 10 People on ATRL unironically supporting Jill Stein will never not be funny to me. 4 1 1
needs Posted September 10 Posted September 10 When will we realize Jill Stein is a plant? There is a reason she always runs. 2
Princess Aurora Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) Well, there's a reason why that situation happened last year. I'm starting to think that the Israeli government wants Trumpet back Edited September 10 by Princess Aurora
EndofASadMovie Posted September 10 Posted September 10 4 hours ago, Sugar-Rush said: How? Trump is just as pro-Israel as Kamala, probably even more so. Also he very blatantly dislikes Muslims. Trump supports anti LGBT and abortion. That's the key
Tovitov Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Not to sound clinical but thats the reality of it. Theres no hope for a ceasefire, innocent people keep dying en mass and Harris wont step back on her support for Israel. Kamala needs to build a winning coalition without them now
Bloodflowers. Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Just saw Jill Stein debate on Piers Morgan and holy f**k, this woman is amazing and super intelligent. Wish elections were fair so she could have an actual shot at democracy, much better option than both war maniacs Trump and Harris 1
Anthinos Posted September 10 Posted September 10 4 hours ago, ChooseyLover said: If I was American I'd vote Jill too and I think many progressive minded voters should seriously consider it. If you don't vote for the values you stand for you're doing a disservice to yourself and to democracy. You'll never watch me vote out of fear. If you want to end up like Russia, you should definitely use this strategy. The left is losing in almost every country and the reason is exactly this. You split into 1000 small parties, you don't support a party because of a single issue, and so on. I'm not 100% happy with the party I vote for, but 80% is good enough for me. The alternatives are worse. The majority of society also has other problems. What's happening in Gaza is bad, but it shouldn't be the only reason why you vote or don't vote for someone. 2 2
ChooseyLover Posted September 10 Posted September 10 1 minute ago, Anthinos said: If you want to end up like Russia, you should definitely use this strategy. The left is losing in almost every country and the reason is exactly this. You split into 1000 small parties, you don't support a party because of a single issue, and so on. I'm not 100% happy with the party I vote for, but 80% is good enough for me. The alternatives are worse. The majority of society also has other problems. What's happening in Gaza is bad, but it shouldn't be the only reason why you vote or don't vote for someone. I respectfully disagree. I know based on the history of the Democratic party their values don't allign with mine and I wouldn't vote for them. It's wild for me that people consider that party to be left leaning when it's nothing of the sort. It's not just Palestine, there are many more issues with America and they haven't been solved by the Dems in the past four years, why would they be now? If you want change you gotta do something different. As an European the two party system looks very hopeless to me. The people need to start giving power and voice to different parties. 1 1 1
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