discussion Joker: FAD to lose $150-200M, one of the biggest box office bombs ever

[Stunnah]

5 minutes ago, Orsay said:

Do you actually believe any of this?? Lol

I'm going to be nice to you and explain this. 'The Marvels' lost 237 million. It is the biggest of all time. Other movies are close but the figures are imprecise. Lady Gaga's movie needs 500 million USD to break even, as per Forbes. It will struggle to gross 200 million. Feel free to do the math and reply to this. 

[Assassin]

18 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said:

Let's see how many turn out for LG7 before we make such bold predictions Ms. OGH 

Sure, let's wait. Given her 100M monthly listeners you guys love to brag about, how many first week streams should we expect? 

[Doctor Dick]

1 minute ago, Assassin said:

Sure, let's wait. Given her 100M monthly listeners you guys love to brag about, how many first week streams should we expect? 

Enough to debunk the point of your statement 

[Life Savers]

Megalopolis, a self-financed passion project with no marketing that exactly no one expected to do well, being the bar now...

 

Edited October 5 by Life Savers

[StayFrosty]

 

 

 

[John Slayne]

5 minutes ago, Stunnah said:

Forbes said it needs 500 million to break even. And that's with a conservative 2.5 multiplier. Depends on the the ratio of overseas and domestic gross. 

the budget is 200 million, that's what the studio paid for it. let's say promotion cost 100 million. for it lose 300 million, they would have to sell 0 tickets. use your brain sister

[GreatCoolBright]

I keep rooting for Gaga but i feel bad she always gets involved in these massive flops throughout her career😭

[shyboi]

am I the only that thinks it can't be that bad? I mean, the songs are beautiful, the trailers look good, the photography très exquisitè

 

I'm starting to think this should not be cattered to the unwashed masses, the aim should be for people with taste, well versed in art and beauty overall 

[Assassin]

14 minutes ago, StayFrosty said:

 

 

 

someone should post Liddos comments from ATRL on there

[shyboi]

49 minutes ago, Stunnah said:

Forbes said it needs 500 million to break even. And that's with a conservative 2.5 multiplier. Depends on the the ratio of overseas and domestic gross. 

 

domestic ratio:

 

50% movie theather, 50% studio 

 

overseas ratio: 

 

60 or 70% movie theater (China keeps a higher ratio I think) the rest for the studio 

 

 

That's why it's CRUCIAL for american productions to perform good in the US.  

[Assassin]

17 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

the budget is 200 million, that's what the studio paid for it. let's say promotion cost 100 million. for it lose 300 million, they would have to sell 0 tickets. use your brain sister

You clearly don't know how the box office works. 🤦
Theaters take around HALF of the tickets sales revenue domestically and 60-75% worldwide.
Did you think all the money go to the studio?

So if a movie grosses $300M worldwide, the studio gets around $120-150M of that.

Edited October 6 by Assassin

[Hey Babes]

1 hour ago, Doctor Dick said:

Probably not but you said it would be the biggest bomb of all time when there's Megalopolis and other films. 

Megalopolis is the bar now? What next? A movie from Bangladesh? 
 

Edited October 6 by Hey Babes

[John Slayne]

1 minute ago, Assassin said:

You clearly don't know how the box office works. 🤦
Theaters take around HALF of the tickets sales revenue domestically and 60-75% worldwide.
Did you think all the money go to the studio?

So if a movie grosses $300M worldwide, the studio gets around $120-150M of that.

you clearly don't know how math works. and movie that costs 300 million to make and promote literally cannot lose more money than that. 

 

i know very well that not all money goes to the studio, but the studio just simply cannot lose more than it put into the movie. so yes if JFAD grosses 250M the studio will still get around 100M, which would put their losses at 200M and not 300M. 

 

take your patronising tone elswhere, you are dismissed 

 

 

[Lose My Breath]

A few I work with walked out, they said it was terrible 

[Breathe On Moi]

1 hour ago, Stunnah said:

This movie will, most likely, go down as the biggest box-office bomb in history. So, while it may not last forever, I'd say there's a good 10-20 years in it until it is surpassed. 

[Katamari]

Haven't heard anyone walking out of a theater in droves like this since lightyear

[Stunnah]

11 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

you clearly don't know how math works. and movie that costs 300 million to make and promote literally cannot lose more money than that. 

 

i know very well that not all money goes to the studio, but the studio just simply cannot lose more than it put into the movie. so yes if JFAD grosses 250M the studio will still get around 100M, which would put their losses at 200M and not 300M. 

 

take your patronising tone elswhere, you are dismissed 

 

 

Open the schools!

 

Class is now in session. The headline budget, 200 million, excludes lots of things. 

 

Let's take 'The Flash', for example. Another Warner superhero movie, which, funnily enough, had the same production budget. 

 

EXPENSES
Production Costs	200.0
Prints and Ads	120.0
Residuals and Other Distribution Expenses	25.0
Interest and Overhead	60.0
Participations	--
TOTAL EXPENSES	405.0

 

Now, let's say FAD grosses 80 million domestically and 120 million overseas. Warner will get half the domestic (40 million) and 40% of the overseas (48 million). That's 88 million in total.

 

We are using the costs of the Flash as an example, since we only know the headline production budget for FAD. 

 

If we subtract 88 million from 405 million, we get 317 million.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 6 by Stunnah

[Capris Groove]

The Wikipedia page got changed from "The film received negative reviews from critics" to "The film was not well received by critics."

 

That's gotta be an LM here.

Edited October 6 by Capris Groove

[John Slayne]

5 minutes ago, Stunnah said:

Open the schools!

 

Class is now in session. The headline budget, 200 million, excludes lots of things. 

 

Let's take 'The Flash', for example. Another Warner superhero movie, which, funnily enough, had the same production budget. 

 

EXPENSES
Production Costs	200.0
Prints and Ads	120.0
Residuals and Other Distribution Expenses	25.0
Interest and Overhead	60.0
Participations	--
TOTAL EXPENSES	405.0

 

Now, let's say FAD grosses 80 million domestically and 120 million overseas. Warner will get half the domestic (40 million) and 40% of the overseas (48 million). That's 88 million in total.

 

We are using the costs of the Flash as an example, since we only know the headline production budget for FAD. 

 

If we subtract 88 million from 405 million, we get 317 million.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

did you pull those numbers out of your ass? The Flash lost 155M on 270M gross. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs

 

assuming JFAD has exactly the same budget as The Flash, how is it going to lose 317M on 200M gross? give it up deelishis

 

 

[shyboi]

9 minutes ago, Stunnah said:

Open the schools!

 

Class is now in session. The headline budget, 200 million, excludes lots of things. 

 

Let's take 'The Flash', for example. Another Warner superhero movie, which, funnily enough, had the same production budget. 

 

EXPENSES
Production Costs	200.0
Prints and Ads	120.0
Residuals and Other Distribution Expenses	25.0
Interest and Overhead	60.0
Participations	--
TOTAL EXPENSES	405.0

 

Now, let's say FAD grosses 80 million domestically and 120 million overseas. Warner will get half the domestic (40 million) and 40% of the overseas (48 million). That's 88 million in total.

 

We are using the costs of the Flash as an example, since we only know the headline production budget for FAD. 

 

If we subtract 88 million from 405 million, we get 317 million.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tbh, we need a proper, standalone thread explaining how box office earnings work, there's a lot of confusion 

 

people still think that if movie that costs 200 million, makes 215 million, takes a 15 million profit 

 

 

Edited October 6 by shyboi

[Stunnah]

Just now, John Slayne said:

did you pull those numbers out of your ass? The Flash lost 155M on 270M gross. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs

 

assuming JFAD has exactly the same budget as The Flash, how is it going to lose 317M on 200M gross? give it up deelishis

 

 

I didn't know my ass was deadline.com! The Flash made money money from streaming and home rentals. FAD will not, realistically.

 

[Stunnah]

3 minutes ago, shyboi said:

 

tbh, we need a proper, standalone thread explaining how box office earnings work, there's a lot of confusion 

 

people still think that if movie that costs 200 million, makes 215 million, takes a 15 million profit 

 

 

I agree! Would be really helpful. People get so aggressive about it. It's kinda funny. 

[Breathe On Moi]

12 minutes ago, Capris Groove said:

The Wikipedia page got changed from "The film received negative reviews from critics" to "The film was not well received by critics."

 

That's gotta be an LM here.

 It's kinda hilarious, it's like "maybe if I write this in Wikipedia it will change the narrative!" 

[V$.]

[John Slayne]

10 minutes ago, Stunnah said:

I didn't know my ass was deadline.com! The Flash made money money from streaming and home rentals. FAD will not, realistically.

 

it will realistically not lose 300M either.