celeb news ZERO nominations for Beyoncé's country album at the CMA

[Wicked]

5 hours ago, swissman said:

The "pro-American imagery" is hardly "pro-American" if you've listened to the album, and even something like an American flag with the stars cropped out on the cover reveals what can be considered at least a slight jab at the nation, considering the stars represent unity.

 

Anyway, either you're purposefully lying or you do not know the actual truth but though Beyoncé regularly attends the Grammys, it is not every year and in the last decade she has performed there only twice, once was not even singing her own song, but a gospel song aligned to the movie Selma, a film about the voting rights of Black Americans...which brings me to why she might attend these events even if they have been called out for racism...you don't change things by ignoring them, which is also why she created a country album despite being snubbed and treated poorly by the CMAs.

I don't know if you're Black or even Black American or not but we have been saying Black American musicians need to stop going to the Grammys and put their time and energy into the Black award ceremonies that already exist. If Roc Nation decided to adopt Black Music Honors into the fold and open up a committee there would be no need to talk about how racist the Grammys are every year.

 

The assimilation idea and acceptance from dominant society (read: white) for our art is just absurd to be having in 2024 when there's multiple people with resources to do their own ****. The Scammys snubbed Miles Davis lol, Duke Ellington, John AND Alice Coltrane, Mingus... Prince never won AOTY  Like... at some point, you have to let go of thinking an institution is going to miraculously start accepting us and our offerings. And it doesn't sound like getting CMA nominations was even on her agenda. We look stupid as hell complaining about the Grammys every year and then every year them same entertainers show up. Wash, rinse and repeat.

 

And like I said previously, the CMAs is mostly **** and award **** music. Honestly Country music needs to develop a better award ceremony because the way they keep snubbing the real stars and elite talent of the genre is absurd. The Hive need to take her shut out as a compliment dawg

[dooart]

******* 4ssholes. And she's still right  they proved her point once again

Edited September 10 by dooart
i used bad words unintentionally, sorryyy

[50thStateofMind]

honest question: who in their right mind expected her to get one???

 

In fact, I was 100% certain she would not be getting any.

 

IN FACT, I respect the album more knowing this phony association doesnʻt recognize her.

Edited September 10 by 50thStateofMind

[MistressKay]

The tea is BEYONCÉ REFUSED TO DO A PERFORMANCE that is why she was snubbed.

 

She does not perform anymore for award shows or anything anymore. Why she doesnt…I am not sure. But that is why she was snubbed. 

Edited September 10 by MistressKay

[MistressKay]

2 minutes ago, 50thStateofMind said:

honest question: who in their right mind expected her to get one???

 

In fact, I was 100% certain she would not be getting any.

 

IN FACT, I respect the album more knowing this phony association doesnʻt recognize her.

She would have got one (and won one) if she agreed to perform. 

[MistressKay]

1 hour ago, RobynYoBank said:

Should've focused on making country music country music listeners actually want to hear if she wanted awards. 

lil nas x won one in 2019 for old town road. It has nothing to do with her music. 
 

She refused to perform. It's painly obvious. Them having Beyoncé there is ratings gold. She didn't wanna do nothing but show up. (If she was even gonna do that) 

[50thStateofMind]

50 minutes ago, MistressKay said:

She would have got one (and won one) if she agreed to perform. 

Even better that she said no then. 

[Rv1709]

1 hour ago, MistressKay said:

lil nas x won one in 2019 for old town road. It has nothing to do with her music. 
 

She refused to perform. It's painly obvious. Them having Beyoncé there is ratings gold. She didn't wanna do nothing but show up. (If she was even gonna do that) 

Did he win for him or because of Billy Ray Cyrus remix 

[Calvin]

Jay Z about to give another weird speech about how his wife deserves this award. 

[lonnie]

I don't think she cares at all, which is why we shouldn't either. Wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even submit anything and I don't think it matters in the end. This, just like the Grammys AOTY conversations have gotten stale and tired at this point. Awards don't legitimize artistic achievements, they're simply meant to recognize them. Even if I don't believe Cowboy Carter merits awards in that way since it's not a good album. Regardless, these never ending conversations constantly seeking validation from biased and prejudiced committees have gotten to the point where it's like do you (artists or fans) really need it anymore? And like even if she does get them will that make the committees and these award shows anything different than they are. Because it's not going to be the groundbreaking moment that opens things up that her fans think it would, if it happens it would be like Halle winning Best Actress and that door shutting since then, which I think is what some of the stans want as it makes it an exclusive achievement for her. Anyway we're tired of the never ending complaints when it comes to Bey and awards, there are far more serious things we can be turning our attention to.

[MistressKay]

3 hours ago, Rv1709 said:

Did he win for him or because of Billy Ray Cyrus remix 

Idc what he won for the song was not "real country" and it won and he performed. 
 

Texas Hold 'Em was also a little viral hit. Trust if she would have agreed to a performance the nominations would be there. CMA isn't stupid. Something clearly happened behind the scenes. Same way she ain't gonna get no vmas. 

[Ayanaa]

Cowboy Carter is my fave beyonce album actually. But its more pop than country lets be honest. As beyonce said herself ''its a beyonce album, not a country album.'' She knows she didn't make a full on country album 

[Margaux]

people caring about some multi millionaire not getting an award is so weird

[Taylor fanboy]

We are not surprised by the racism and misogyny.

[Brikenbur]

12 hours ago, RobynYoBank said:

Should've focused on making country music country music listeners actually want to hear if she wanted awards. 

Who's to say she wanted to or even cares about being accepted by the same people who made her feel unwelcome? Also, doubling down by explicitly saying her album wasn't "a country album, it's a Beyoncé album" like bfr 

 

(lastly, you have to submit your music to even be considered and i highly see her doing that as well) 

Edited September 10 by Brikenbur

[swissman]

12 hours ago, Wicked said:

I don't know if you're Black or even Black American or not but we have been saying Black American musicians need to stop going to the Grammys and put their time and energy into the Black award ceremonies that already exist. If Roc Nation decided to adopt Black Music Honors into the fold and open up a committee there would be no need to talk about how racist the Grammys are every year.

 

The assimilation idea and acceptance from dominant society (read: white) for our art is just absurd to be having in 2024 when there's multiple people with resources to do their own ****. The Scammys snubbed Miles Davis lol, Duke Ellington, John AND Alice Coltrane, Mingus... Prince never won AOTY  Like... at some point, you have to let go of thinking an institution is going to miraculously start accepting us and our offerings. And it doesn't sound like getting CMA nominations was even on her agenda. We look stupid as hell complaining about the Grammys every year and then every year them same entertainers show up. Wash, rinse and repeat.

 

And like I said previously, the CMAs is mostly **** and award **** music. Honestly Country music needs to develop a better award ceremony because the way they keep snubbing the real stars and elite talent of the genre is absurd. The Hive need to take her shut out as a compliment dawg

I am not Black but I appreciate this perspective.

 

I didn't mean she needs to or is trying to get "acceptance from dominant society" but still do think totally abandoning the literal most prestigious, notable and iconic award just will allow them to get away with even further discrimination and snubbing of important Black works. Beyoncé has a long history of putting herself forward as a litmus test to reveal people's true feelings. Why stop at the Grammys?

 

I don't think the institution will magically start accepting people they've discriminated against, but that is why showing up and shedding light on their discrimination is the only way it can change. Since Beyoncé's first AOTY snub, they've already made it a focus to add tons more women and people of colour to the voting academy. It's not going to change overnight, and it's certainly not going to change if everyone whose snubs create furor simply don't attend, submit, or go elsewhere. Beyoncé losing AOTY several times over is perhaps this century's most important entry into the discussion of the racism of the academy voters.

The Weeknd, one of the biggest popstars of our time, has boycotted the Grammys. Has that made any major waves? Has that had any impact or sparked change? Does it do anything but take a stand (which Beyoncé has done more-or-less in songs) or does it just allow them to not nominated him even further?

 

 

Edited September 10 by swissman

[Wicked]

28 minutes ago, swissman said:

I am not Black but I appreciate this perspective.

 

I didn't mean she needs to or is trying to get "acceptance from dominant society" but still do think totally abandoning the literal most prestigious, notable and iconic award just will allow them to get away with even further discrimination and snubbing of important Black works. Beyoncé has a long history of putting herself forward as a litmus test to reveal people's true feelings. Why stop at the Grammys?

 

I don't think the institution will magically start accepting people they've discriminated against, but that is why showing up and shedding light on their discrimination is the only way it can change. Since Beyoncé's first AOTY snub, they've already made it a focus to add tons more women and people of colour to the voting academy. It's not going to change overnight, and it's certainly not going to change if everyone whose snubs create furor simply don't attend, submit, or go elsewhere. Beyoncé losing AOTY several times over is perhaps this century's most important entry into the discussion of the racism of the academy voters.

The Weeknd, one of the biggest popstars of our time, has boycotted the Grammys. Has that made any major waves? Has that had any impact or sparked change? Does it do anything but take a stand (which Beyoncé has done more-or-less in songs) or does it just allow them to not nominated him even further?

 

 

Nothing you said has amounted to anything. The Weeknd just has more of a backbone to be proactive about it and stand on business, I actually believe he doesn't want dominant society approval for his work based off his actions. They should be joining him, and taking their work, performances and appearances elsewhere. A complete absence of Black artists says a lot more than showing up every year and being mad they lost again.

 

People have been "shedding light" on the Grammys since it existed:rip: these buzzwords like awareness do not do anything. Adding more women and "people of color" literally amounted to nothing for Black artists and it doesn't have to amount to anything either. They can stay the way they are, Black artists can go elsewhere. Other things exist. They have literally had this "issue"  decades before I was born, they do not care lmfao. Ultimately music is still subjective as is all art, doesn't matter how much you wanna diversify the voting pool people are going to vote for the music they like the most which is valid. So calling out "alleged" biases eventually starts coming off as you being bitter you didn't win. Wheres the proof of the biases, I can say an album was robbed that's still just my ******* opinion, they're supposed to vote for the album they like the best, and if they keep showing you after decades that they mostly don't care to vote for albums from Black artists, more artists losing isn't going to do anything lmfao 

 

Nobody cares how prestigious the Grammys are. Black art has always been shunned by prestigious organizations so again what is the point. Showing up every year for egg on your face is not doing anything for anyone. 

 

**** that lmao. The Grammys do not matter to Black Americans, we don't know how many Grammys Frankie Beverly has but I know he just went on a successful tour despite being ill and unable to perform well off the decades of respect he has from Black Americans. This mentality is ******* crazy, the music industry is literally cutting Black artists from labels and snatching their budget as we speak by the way, Black artists are actually suffering more now than they were 10 years ago when she first got snubbed (relevance: a lot of those people in the voting academy are literally responsible for that section of the industry) so no... Everybody needs to take their ball to a different court. I don't need the Grammys to validate my people's music or artistic range. I only tune into the **** for the performances and the genre categories I like.

 

The single most innovative musician of the century this far has never,and will never win AOTY, because he's Black, and because he's a Rapper, and it doesn't make a difference to me that this institution didn't choose him. The Grammys do not validate important Black works because they've literally been ignoring them overwhelmingly since it's inception. It's time to actually be proactive, this conversation **** is for the birds.

[tshwark]

Because the discrimination card is A LIE: Lauryn Hill, Whitney, Outcast, Herbie Hancock, Bastite and soooo many more won AOTY, beyonce is simply scrambling trying to find the right narrative, one time she said she wished she was latina during the Latin explosion, and in this case the cowboy album IS NOT COUNTRY.

[gagacasanova]

I stopped giving a **** about Awards shows (unless it's the Grammys).

 

Cowboy Carter will always be that *****, with or without awards. 

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Wicked said:

Nothing you said has amounted to anything. The Weeknd just has more of a backbone to be proactive about it and stand on business, I actually believe he doesn't want dominant society approval for his work based off his actions. They should be joining him, and taking their work, performances and appearances elsewhere. A complete absence of Black artists says a lot more than showing up every year and being mad they lost again.

 

People have been "shedding light" on the Grammys since it existed:rip: these buzzwords like awareness do not do anything. Adding more women and "people of color" literally amounted to nothing for Black artists and it doesn't have to amount to anything either. They can stay the way they are, Black artists can go elsewhere. Other things exist. They have literally had this "issue"  decades before I was born, they do not care lmfao. Ultimately music is still subjective as is all art, doesn't matter how much you wanna diversify the voting pool people are going to vote for the music they like the most which is valid. So calling out "alleged" biases eventually starts coming off as you being bitter you didn't win. Wheres the proof of the biases, I can say an album was robbed that's still just my ******* opinion, they're supposed to vote for the album they like the best, and if they keep showing you after decades that they mostly don't care to vote for albums from Black artists, more artists losing isn't going to do anything lmfao 

 

Nobody cares how prestigious the Grammys are. Black art has always been shunned by prestigious organizations so again what is the point. Showing up every year for egg on your face is not doing anything for anyone. 

 

**** that lmao. The Grammys do not matter to Black Americans, we don't know how many Grammys Frankie Beverly has but I know he just went on a successful tour despite being ill and unable to perform well off the decades of respect he has from Black Americans. This mentality is ******* crazy, the music industry is literally cutting Black artists from labels and snatching their budget as we speak by the way, Black artists are actually suffering more now than they were 10 years ago when she first got snubbed (relevance: a lot of those people in the voting academy are literally responsible for that section of the industry) so no... Everybody needs to take their ball to a different court. I don't need the Grammys to validate my people's music or artistic range. I only tune into the **** for the performances and the genre categories I like.

 

The single most innovative musician of the century this far has never,and will never win AOTY, because he's Black, and because he's a Rapper, and it doesn't make a difference to me that this institution didn't choose him. The Grammys do not validate important Black works because they've literally been ignoring them overwhelmingly since it's inception. It's time to actually be proactive, this conversation **** is for the birds.

I do agree that a complete absence of Black artists at the Grammys would say more than having impactful snubs. And I would like to correct myself for saying that shedding light on the snubs is "the only way it can change". I usually like to avoid hyperbole and didn't there. Of course there can be other and/or better ways to enact the change, but what I'm trying to say is I think there is still a benefit to Beyoncé's presence at the Grammys. I agree that she could do more impactful things, like even just be clear about it and more directly vocal but that's just not really her approach. She's never been outspoken like that. Even at her most pointed, it's through her music not public statements.

Beyoncé doing a surprise performance at the CMAs is an example of her using her presence like a mirror onto the audience, forcing them to reveal themselves to one another and the general public alike. And in this way, I see her continued presence at the Grammys as an extension of this litmus-test performance. The CMAs was not an effort to get white approval, surely not by being flanked by a country act that was essentially "cancelled" for one political remark, she knew what she was doing and was ready to rile people up. Her having not attended at all would have added nothing to the conversation, and would have not created the inspiration for COWBOY CARTER which has "shed light" on a great many more issues in the country industry, something that would never have happened had she boycotted it completely.

 

You say "shedding light" is a buzzword and don't see any impact from it, but as mentioned, the Grammys DID make a change in the year after Lemonade lost AOTY to Adele, creating a lot of very public and wide-reaching criticism for the Grammys in both journalistic writing and online. This criticism existed in people's minds already and had been discussed decades prior but it surely wasn't at the top of people's minds at that moment otherwise. In this way, I don't think "shedding light" creates no change whatsoever considering it led to them adding 900 new members in 2018 in an effort to diversify their voters. One can argue that this didn't change much, but I did follow up by immediately after mentioning this that it wouldn't change overnight. Still, looking at the winners of Song and Record of the Year from the five years before adding new voters vs. the five years after, the percentage of white winners in both categories were cut in half (from 4/5 to 2/5). AOTY stayed the same, however, so it could be a coincidence, but 900 new voters is a lot and certainly a quantifiable change, and a step.

All this is to say, I don't think Beyoncé is foolish. I don't think she expects to win AOTY anymore or that she ever really did. But she shows up anyway. She's not running and hiding from losing AOTY or any award.

Again, I don't put much faith in the Grammys, but if Beyoncé choses to do so, that doesn't really bother me. And though the Weeknd may be standing on his business better than her, I think it's not true to say he doesn't care about them, or he would not have been bothered about a lack of nominations. You don't publicly boycott something if the change you seek is not something you want.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 10 by swissman

[swissman]

1 hour ago, tshwark said:

Because the discrimination card is A LIE: Lauryn Hill, Whitney, Outcast, Herbie Hancock, Bastite and soooo many more won AOTY, beyonce is simply scrambling trying to find the right narrative, one time she said she wished she was latina during the Latin explosion, and in this case the cowboy album IS NOT COUNTRY.

The last Black woman to win AOTY was Lauryn Hill in 1999, four years before Olivia Rodrigo (an AOTY nominee herself) was even born, and for an album released the same year Chappell Roan was born, just to put it into perspective. That was 25 years ago, in which time white women have won AOTY over 3x more than Black women have in the entire 66 year history. In just the last handful of years white women have doubled the total wins of Black women at the Grammys.

 

Jon Batiste's win was also after the Grammys added 900 new voters to add diversity to their academy. Herbie Hancock's was not for his own original work but for a collection of Joni Mitchell covers (no less important for him, but still aligned to the bias Grammy voters have for white musicians). To say that "soooo many more won AOTY" when you're actually just naming some of the few that have is a misrepresentation.

To say that the discrimination card is a lie is the actual lie. The actual list of winners suggest that the Grammys overwhelmingly have a bias for white artists, even if Black artists are the ones setting the styles, innovating, and being the white artists' main inspirations.

 

Also some fact checking here: Beyoncé said she wished she was Latina via the following quote: "I'm just jealous that I wasn't born Latina. I wish I had been because the culture is so beautiful." which was said to Latina Magazine as a way to express appreciation for Latin culture and was not said during any significant Latin explosion (like the late 1990s or late 2010s) but in 2007.

 

 

Edited September 10 by swissman

[Mornings]

The think pieces in here for an album none of you even listened to after the first week. 

[BrokenMachine]

Awards being rigged and discriminatory? Who would have thought

[Wicked]

7 hours ago, swissman said:

I do agree that a complete absence of Black artists at the Grammys would say more than having impactful snubs. And I would like to correct myself for saying that shedding light on the snubs is "the only way it can change". I usually like to avoid hyperbole and didn't there. Of course there can be other and/or better ways to enact the change, but what I'm trying to say is I think there is still a benefit to Beyoncé's presence at the Grammys. I agree that she could do more impactful things, like even just be clear about it and more directly vocal but that's just not really her approach. She's never been outspoken like that. Even at her most pointed, it's through her music not public statements.

Beyoncé doing a surprise performance at the CMAs is an example of her using her presence like a mirror onto the audience, forcing them to reveal themselves to one another and the general public alike. And in this way, I see her continued presence at the Grammys as an extension of this litmus-test performance. The CMAs was not an effort to get white approval, surely not by being flanked by a country act that was essentially "cancelled" for one political remark, she knew what she was doing and was ready to rile people up. Her having not attended at all would have added nothing to the conversation, and would have not created the inspiration for COWBOY CARTER which has "shed light" on a great many more issues in the country industry, something that would never have happened had she boycotted it completely.

 

You say "shedding light" is a buzzword and don't see any impact from it, but as mentioned, the Grammys DID make a change in the year after Lemonade lost AOTY to Adele, creating a lot of very public and wide-reaching criticism for the Grammys in both journalistic writing and online. This criticism existed in people's minds already and had been discussed decades prior but it surely wasn't at the top of people's minds at that moment otherwise. In this way, I don't think "shedding light" creates no change whatsoever considering it led to them adding 900 new members in 2018 in an effort to diversify their voters. One can argue that this didn't change much, but I did follow up by immediately after mentioning this that it wouldn't change overnight. Still, looking at the winners of Song and Record of the Year from the five years before adding new voters vs. the five years after, the percentage of white winners in both categories were cut in half (from 4/5 to 2/5). AOTY stayed the same, however, so it could be a coincidence, but 900 new voters is a lot and certainly a quantifiable change, and a step.

All this is to say, I don't think Beyoncé is foolish. I don't think she expects to win AOTY anymore or that she ever really did. But she shows up anyway. She's not running and hiding from losing AOTY or any award.

Again, I don't put much faith in the Grammys, but if Beyoncé choses to do so, that doesn't really bother me. And though the Weeknd may be standing on his business better than her, I think it's not true to say he doesn't care about them, or he would not have been bothered about a lack of nominations. You don't publicly boycott something if the change you seek is not something you want.

 

 

 

 

She doesn't have to say anything. Talking hasn't done ****.

 

The CMAs is a different conversation from the Grammys, the CMAs will gladly nominate Black artists, they have to make the right music for their committee and fall in line with their reputation. There's white artists they don't nominate (like I mentioned earlier, Zach Bryan, Kacey, Sturgill Simpson, Tyler Childers) and more, that's just not something Beyonce herself can do anything about so that is pointless imo. Shaboozey will probably continue to get noms because of the way he moves through the industry... He was just talking about collabing with Morgan Wallen  Which ironically to a degree the way he'll be taken in by country radio and CMAs/ACMs, he might not be by the Grammy Country voters whose taste is more traditionalist and they don't like that particular strain of Country music (see: Morgan being pretty much shut out of grammy country noms along with a lot of "bro country"/Country pop acts through the years)

 

900 voters doesn't signify much of anything, because like I said, taste in music is volatile and subjective at the end of the day. What can be stated objectively is Black art being mostly celebrated by their Black audiences until dominant society decides to start colonizing things years after the fact. Steps aren't good enough, and this is 5 decades in. You talking about 900 voters after 50 years...? Seriously? 

 

Why does she even go? Why? Like I said, The Grio awards exists, as does Black Music Honors. Jay Z can afford to build the most prestigious award for the most wide-ranging group that contributes to American music ever and... Goes on a Grammy stage begging them to "get it right", whatever that means. (Jay Z, by the way, was horrendously skipped over himself in 2002 with The Blueprint not getting an AOTY nom) it's getting to the stage of pathetic. The Grammys don't even be awarding "art" like that, they pretty much award the most palatable on brand music possibly for at least 40 years now. I like Lionel Richie but his album doesn't stand a chance not only against Purple Rain, but against another terrific achievement in 'Born In the U.S.A.' (If that album won AOTY, nobody would've complained), I love Outkast, but Speakerboxxx/The Love Below being their album to win, is similarly funny although unfortunately still historic. 

 

And lastly, this is the Grammys lmfao, Grammys ain't even that prestigious in the grand scheme of things. Polaris Music Prize, Mercury Prize, Polar Music Prize >>> the Grammys, which very clearly and obviously is not operating the same way. Too many things rank ahead of artistic merit with the Grammys, unlike the Oscars and Emmys which awarded a "flop" series like Breaking Bad. The US has tried their hand at similar ceremonies, and they ended up tanking. If the most influential people in the American music industry decided to take an actual stab at it they would create meaningful 'change' instead of crying about that show.

 

 

 

[Polgg48]

not surprise if i might see a thread beyhive crying about beyonce misses all nom at kids choice awards or VMA next time. she is the grammy most award artist for reasons but not all agree.