georgechxng Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) SOUR 1st year anniversary numbers: Album units: 7.9M Streams on Spotify: +6.8B GUTS 1st year anniversary numbers: Album units: +5M Streams on Spotify: +3.8B Not the slump ATRL says it is considering the fact that SOUR had 4 hit singles while GUTS only had vampire putting those same kind of numbers when it came to the singles. Edited September 8 by georgechxng 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoto Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) SOUR didn't have a re-release and SOUR has seven 1B streamed songs, while GUTS has one and the next track close to 1B has 480m streams only. Vampire 1.1B Bad idea right 483m Get him back 326m Edited September 8 by Kyoto 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplywohoo Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Maybe it gaslit you but certainly not me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladiator Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) If an album does not hit #1, especially from an artist who previously dominated the charts and hit #1, then it is a massive flop and a bad output and the artist should really be so embarrassed because wow imagine flopping so hard and putting out such a bad album. That is what people seem to think. Edited September 8 by Gladiator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popboi. Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 4 minutes ago, Gladiator said: If an album does not hit #1, especially from an artist who previously dominated the charts and hit #1, then it is a massive flop and a bad output and the artist should really be so embarrassed because wow imagine flopping so hard and putting out such a bad album. That is what people seem to think. What is this about cause GUTS was #1 very much everywhere 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgechxng Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kyoto said: SOUR didn't have a re-release and SOUR has seven 1B streamed songs, while GUTS has one and the next track close to 1B has 480m streams only. Vampire 1.1B Bad idea right 483m Get him back 326m well the +5M numbers don't include guts: spilled (i just used the current numbers chartmasters has for the standard version - aka 4.5M - with the pure sales the album gained since their last pure sales update for it, which was one year ago) so your point doesn't really make sense…. with guts: spilled, the number is prob sumn more like +5.5M. Edited September 8 by georgechxng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerveAksak Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Guts was like a grown up version of sour. And even though I think Olivia played it safe with the visuals and sounds of guts it's still nowhere to be considered as a slump rather than stable. OR3 could possibly still be huge if she keeps up with the themes of guts and expands upon them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Yes, the album honestly did well. It was not a flop. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poki Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 SOUR: Most streamed album ever. GUTS: Only 1 track has more than 500m streams. This IS a decline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad guy Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 It's definitely a steep decline but like HTE it was still moderately successful. But the numbers show it was a slump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquiddiamonds Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) SOUR was an universal success. It had something for everyone. It's pretty clear while watching clips from her tour that GUTS connected to her very young audience. The concerts are filled with younger gen z and gen alpha people, especially girls. This is why people are really getting ahead of themselves by counting Olivia out. She's still a force in a up and coming market. As long as she remains a relevant pop star for them, she will stick around. She took a page from Taylor's book and she is clearly honing that fan-relatable artist relationship… Like.. I don't know how to explain it, but Olivia's challenger in that market is yet to arrive and her true challenge will be to become a viable adult star for them and not get discarded like Katy Perry was with younger milennials/older gen z once everyone left school. GUTS makes me confident she's smart and she wants her experiences growing up to mirror her young fans' journey. There's a whole market of very young people that ATRL is not accessing and they will slowly take over. Her debut is kinda a foreshadowing that there's a lot of hype for people most here don't even know about Edited September 8 by liquiddiamonds 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseBud Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 1 hour ago, Kyoto said: SOUR didn't have a re-release and SOUR has seven 1B streamed songs, while GUTS has one and the next track close to 1B has 480m streams only. Vampire 1.1B Bad idea right 483m Get him back 326m Did all seven of those 1B streamed songs reach that after only one year ? That is impressive ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Mendes Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 (edited) I din't think anyone was ever convinced it was a slump, even if they claimed it was. There were just people who really wanted to see it fail, and so they latched onto the fact that it didn't meet the massively unrealistic expectations that were created for it and tried to paint that as a failure. GUTS performed very well. Better than many albums of it's year. A performance most would kill for. It was simply being held up to SOUR without people wanting to talk about the fact that SOUR's success was such a lightning in a bottle thing that was never going to be recreated. SOUR was an exception, not a new rule that GUTS or any other album for that matter would be expected to follow. That kind of lightning rarely strikes twice, let alone on two consecutive bodies of work. Edited September 9 by Mr. Mendes 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilherme Make Love Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 It´s basically her HTE, but with a #1 single It´s obviously a steep decline, but a decline from huge albums still are succesful Still, i feel people mock Guts mainsly because Olivia fans went to a crusade against Billie and mock HTE for not maching WWAFAWDWG on charts 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleRainbow! Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 It's a hit era all things considered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 Still a successful era. Sour was just too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJZAW Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 if one is so easily gaslit by ATRLers then one needs to log off and see the real world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasashite Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 3 hours ago, georgechxng said: considering the fact that SOUR had 4 hit singles while GUTS only had vampire putting those same kind of numbers This does not benefit GUTS. Also comparing SOUR's first year to GUTS's, given that SOUR smashed for years and is currently outdoing GUTS (which is still less than a year old), is misleading. GUTS is successful, but it still was a decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 Its interesting that the Billie fans are the ones so committed to the "flopping" narrative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatGod Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 Her "sophomore slump" is still pulling larger numbers than some people's best albums. Sour was always going to be an extremely hard album to follow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vrx. Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 (edited) We won't know until about 2-3 years from now. Did it not smash out of the gate like sour? Debatable. She had 2 less singles, got a bigger first week sales, and embarked on a tour with a lot less promo. I'd say the album overall did well enough so far. It's sold half the pure sales of sour in a year which isn't bad by any means. Edited September 9 by Vrx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawx23 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 Having her debut record, released at age 17-18, become the biggest Spotify album of all time is the kind of accomplishment that will never go away. And haters expecting her subsequent albums to be as big as the biggest Spotify album of all time is kind of a stupid expectation they couldn't even have of their own faves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 Yes they did. Guts is still on the top 50 ww album chart on Spotify. It's clearly a success people in here are a stupid sometimes. A real colossal flop is dua lipa radical optimism who left the top 50 on streaming after only 3 months of released. Dua Imo the real "she in danger girl". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawn Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 6 hours ago, georgechxng said: considering the fact that SOUR had 4 hit singles while GUTS only had vampire putting those same kind of numbers when it came to the singles so you agree? vampire certainly isn't pulling the "same kind of numbers" either - will it ever even match the weakest SOUR single in streams? how can you try to spin 2 totally failed singles as a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 A slump is a slump. 'GUTS' was a major step-down commercially from 'SOUR' and given how it's already being out streamed by 'SOUR', that gap will only increase as the years go on, making the decline even bigger. None of this means that 'GUTS' was unsuccessful on its own, it just doesn't change the fact that it was a very sizable decline from 'SOUR'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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