discussion NASA decides to delay return of astronauts stuck in space since June 2024 to Feb 2025

[Cheers]

Are we sure this isn't Weyland-Yutani ?

[Popboi.]

1 hour ago, PrettyHurts said:

I feel bad for their families. Imagine thinking they are coming back in just a week, but then having to wait for months  

It's a nightmare, but at least they caught the issues with the capsule before return or else the spaceship would've pulled a Katy Perry type of harsh landing.

[Save-Me-Oprah]

1 hour ago, Sugar-Rush said:

So they had at least 8 days worth of food but now they need to survive 6 months?

No girl they're on the ISS, they get frequent resupply ships. The most recent resupply ship was 2 weeks ago and they'll have 3 or 4 more before they come back in February

 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

14 minutes ago, Zack said:

They are really not.

 

Many astronauts find themselves eventually stricken by all kinds of health issues after returning to Earth, due to exposure to various forms of radiation in space including galactic cosmic rays, and this is after returning from missions that only last a few days. 

 

The risk to these astronauts has now greatly multiplied as they will be out there for months. NASA knows all of this. Not to mention they would have been training for only an 8 day mission but now this has been dramatically extended. I hope their mental wellbeing is under close observation. I would be suing. 

both of the astronauts involved have been to the ISS multiple times before for missions that were just as long... one of them has spent over a year in space already on previous missions, and by the time she comes back she still won't have even cracked the top 10 ranking for time spent in space by a human.

 

they are test pilots flying a test mission - this is exactly what they signed up for, idk what to tell you

 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

The media has really turned this into a sensationalized circus and it's really embarrassing for Boeing to have yet another failed test flight, but I didn't see anyone gagging last year when 3 astronauts had their stay in space extended to 1 year after their capsule blew a leak and shit the bed

 

[Zack]

Just now, Save-Me-Oprah said:

both of the astronauts involved have been to space multiple times before for missions that were just as long... one of them has spent over a year in space already on previous missions and by the time she comes back she still won't have even cracked the top 10 ranking for time spent in space.

 

they are test pilots flying a test mission - this is exactly what they signed up for, idk what to tell you

 

Their previous missions and/or previous time elapsed in space are not relevant, they would have accepted and agreed to the risk of those missions individually at those times.

 

I was responding to the suggestion that they are "relatively" safe, when they are not really. Space expeditions are fraught with risk as you seemingly also know.

 

They may well have accepted risk of an unanticipated mission extension as trained astronauts (I mean they don't exactly have any alternative options..), but that doesn't make the situation any safer in reality, nor does it change the fact that they will have increased exposure to risks, due to Boeing's spacecraft not functioning as intended. So you don't need to "tell" me anything.

[Paparazzaid]

Just in time to the release of #LG7 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

1 minute ago, Zack said:

Their previous missions and/or previous time elapsed in space are not relevant, they would have accepted and agreed to the risk of those missions individually at those times.

You don't think that two test pilots agreeing to perform the first human spaceflight of a brand new, experimental spacecraft, constitutes an accepted the risk that they might be stuck in space for an extended mission?

 

To most test pilots, death is a risk that they've accepted - that's the nature of test flying experimental aircraft and spacecraft. The fact that they're in space for an extended period of time, especially when they've done it so many times before, is probably a complete non-event to them as professional astronauts.

 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

1 hour ago, Attitude said:

I didn't know there were 12 people in space.

 

https://whoisinspace.com/

 

Next week for a short time there will be 22 people in space, it's a whole thing.

 

[Zack]

26 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

You don't think that two test pilots agreeing to perform the first human spaceflight of a brand new, experimental spacecraft, constitutes an accepted the risk that they might be stuck in space for an extended mission?

 

To most test pilots, death is a risk that they've accepted - that's the nature of test flying experimental aircraft and spacecraft. The fact that they're in space for an extended period of time, especially when they've done it so many times before, is probably a complete non-event to them as professional astronauts.

 

It seems as though you're drinking Boeing's kool aid. No test pilot is going to want to hop into a test vehicle that is inherently more unsafe than it needs to be.

 

Using your logic, NASA should have just made these astronauts return in the Starliner because "death is a risk that they've accepted". Uh no, these are real living people not crash test dummies. 

 

Boeing has seemingly screwed up and caused the mission to be more unsafe than it needs to be, which is part of my point. The fact that NASA is now drawing the line and delaying their return is because their hand has been forced by all the uncertainty and is also proof of that. Boeing doesn't even really know enough about what is going wrong with the spacecraft to even be able to fix it. It's a mess.

 

Edited August 26 by Zack

[808dream]

It's like a nightmare coming true... 

Stuck in space, closed in a tiny space, million miles from home, with months to wait ahead, and uncertain if what they have in mind will actually work. 

I would go NUTS! 

How could someone desire being closed in a tiny shuttle and enjoy being fired up in the guts of the universe is beyond my comprehension. 

I truly have never understood that...

[Save-Me-Oprah]

11 minutes ago, Zack said:

It seems as though you're drinking Boeing's kool aid. No test pilot is going to want to hop into a test vehicle that is inherently more unsafe than it needs to be.

 

Using your logic, NASA should have just made these astronauts return in the Starliner because "death is a risk that they've accepted". Uh no, these are real living people not crash test dummies. 

 

Boeing has seemingly screwed up and caused the mission to be more unsafe than it needs to be, which is part of my point. The fact that NASA is now drawing the line and delaying their return is because their hand has been forced by all the uncertainty and is also proof of that. Boeing doesn't even really know enough about what is going wrong with the spacecraft to even be able to fix it. It's a mess.

 

I'm far from drinking Boeing koolaid. The Starliner program is a mess and I wouldn't be surprised is NASA just says to hell with it and cancels the program after yet another failed test flight. Troubleshooting will be impossible even after the capsule returns to earth because the hardware that is causing the issues is disposed of in space. It's bad for them.

 

I'm talking purely in the context of people saying the astronauts "should sue" or are somehow ill-prepared to experience an extended mission on the ISS. They are both very experienced, professional test pilots. For them, a stay on the ISS is completely not a big deal.

[Zack]

27 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

I'm far from drinking Boeing koolaid. The Starliner program is a mess and I wouldn't be surprised is NASA just says to hell with it and cancels the program after yet another failed test flight. Troubleshooting will be impossible even after the capsule returns to earth because the hardware that is causing the issues is disposed of in space. It's bad for them.

 

I'm talking purely in the context of people saying the astronauts "should sue" or are somehow ill-prepared to experience an extended mission on the ISS. They are both very experienced, professional test pilots. For them, a stay on the ISS is completely not a big deal.

The Starliner project is seriously compromised now anyway, even if it makes it back to Earth relatively fine whilst unmanned (although I hear there are software issues), it's obvious Boeing is out of their depth with this kind of project. SpaceX has had like 9 successful programs now...this is Boeing's first and well...

 

The comments on suing are potentially because it's clear there have been screw ups that have disrupted the mission and the safety of the astronauts unnecessarily and now NASA is just doing risk management. Information coming out about the issues with Starliner is causing people to question why the test flight was even authorized. Some people consider that maybe certain people involved in the project could have put political or business/PR priorities above safety.

 

Also, living in space is not exactly easy. It can't be automatically assumed that a prolonged stay is a non-event for either or both of them or that they are completely unconcerned by it. In their situation, they have no choice but to go along with it, since now, they literally have no ride home until next year. It's an unfortunate situation.

 

Edited August 26 by Zack

[Skestina]

2 hours ago, Maxxxine said:

This guy's been up there 1,082 days   is he alive 

 

 

OLEG KONONENKO

TOTAL TIME IN SPACE: 1082D 2H 14M 49S

Oh wow.... 

[G.U.Y_Del_Rey]

[skyandground]

10 hours ago, Attitude said:

I didn't know there were 12 people in space.

 

https://whoisinspace.com/

 

 

Matt is cute

[Terylee]

15 hours ago, Maxxxine said:

This guy's been up there 1,082 days   is he alive 

 

 

OLEG KONONENKO

TOTAL TIME IN SPACE: 1082D 2H 14M 49S

He has my respect. All of us are always complaining that the world is a shithole, but he is the one who actually said "bye, I'm leaving".

[Cardcaptor Sakura]

I would sue.

[Matthew]

On 8/25/2024 at 6:57 PM, TedLasso said:

How are they going to watch Joker 2 

Gaga will loan them Volantis 

 

 

[Sergi91]

They are now hearing noises coming from the Boeing spacecraft