base talk Who's the bigger legend: Taylor or Gaga?

[Jay07]

5 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

Just write the release year of their last acclaim albums and it's indeed obvious who is more talented 

Put them both onstage with a microphone and it is indeed obvious who is more talented.

[WildHeart]

3 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Put them both onstage with a microphone and it is indeed obvious who is more talented.

Let leave them both alone in a room to come up with good music and it is indeed obvious who is more talented 

[Jay07]

6 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

Let leave them both alone in a room to come up with good music and it is indeed obvious who is more talented 

Well, Gaga can sing, dance, is one of the most acclaimed performers and actors of her generation and wrote Shallow. But the other did write about tattooed golden retrievers so that's something I guess.

 

Oh what's that other one about karma and cats?

Edited August 23 by Jay07

[Infinite]

Both are so different, I think both are in their own Leagues.

[americanlife]

It's obviously Taylor.

[WildHeart]

5 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

Well, Gaga can sing, dance, is one of the most acclaimed performers and actors of her generation and wrote Shallow. But the other did write about tattooed golden retrievers so that's something I guess.

Beyonce can sing Dance Monkey and that won't turn it into a good song. A bad album is a bad album whather it sung well or not. 

[NextBish90]

Gaga is a legend for the GP And Taylor is Swift. 

[Jay07]

6 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

Beyonce can sing Dance Monkey and that won't turn it into a good song. A bad album is a bad album whather it sung well or not. 

So you're saying that Taylor's middle school diary writing prowess makes her more talented than the two most acclaimed vocalists and performers of their generations who also have classic, highly acclaimed, highly influential, highly awarded music to their names. Taylor Swift is more talented than Beyonce, you heard it here folks. 

 

Oh sweetie, you really stepped in it this time, you should have quit when talking about streams. Let me know when your fave hits a note or a step at a level above high school talent show.

[Feanor]

Taylor Swift.

The DNC clownery of yesterday was just another proof. People and the media speculated all day whether Taylor or Beyoncé would show up, because everyone knows those are the two biggest women in entertainment of the past 25 years. Others weren't even considered.

[WildHeart]

10 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

So you're saying that Taylor's middle school diary writing prowess makes her more talented than the two most acclaimed vocalists and performers of their generations who also have classic, highly acclaimed, highly influential, highly awarded music to their names. Taylor Swift is more talented than Beyonce, you heard it here folks. 

 

Oh sweetie, you really stepped in it this time, you should have quit when talking about streams. Let me know when your fave hits a note or a step at a level above high school talent show.

Beyonce doesn't sing Dance Monkey-quality songs, Gaga does. That's why despite both being good vocalists, only one of them has massively acclaimed catalogue like Taylor's. Cute of you to try sneaking Gaga's music next to Beyonce but they are worlds apart. 

Edited August 23 by WildHeart

[Digitalism]

Taylor is a legend like MJ or Madonna

Gaga is like Barbara

 

Just not comparable

[Pendulum]

Taylor's post-COVID music is known only within the Swiftie base. 

 

Lady Gaga is a household name and (globally, so outside the US) if you ask random people on the street (people who don't look like Taylor's demographic aka white teens and women, they would be more likely to know who Lady Gaga is, which further elevates her legendary status. 

Edited August 23 by Pendulum

[cat1867]

Both are huge legends and well respected.

Taylor being such a bigger artist pulls her ahead but Gaga has had the best career transition for when hits become inconsistent.

 

 

stupid thread 

[Oktober Knight]

Imagine thinking Gaga could pull off Eras Tour numbers and reach the level of sales Taylor has 

 

The answer is clearly Taylor, who is just right behind Madonna. And I'm not even a Taylor stan. 

[Aries Groove]

1 hour ago, Miss Americana said:

How is Gaga more respected while it is universally acknowledged her last good album was an EP from 15 years ago...

It's been nothing but panned bomb after panned bomb since... 

The fact yall want to erase ASIB at all costs  All the humongous success and acclaim she had with it just to stick to your ridiculous and dated narrative...

17 minutes ago, Oktober Knight said:

Imagine thinking Gaga could pull off Eras Tour numbers and reach the level of sales Taylor has 

 

The answer is clearly Taylor, who is just right behind Madonna. And I'm not even a Taylor stan. 

Being a legend is not limited to huge sales

[Kill Me]

10 minutes ago, Aries Groove said:

The fact yall want to erase ASIB at all costs  All the humongous success and acclaim she had with it just to stick to your ridiculous and dated narrative...

You know it's bad when your best comeback is a ******* soundtrack that wasn't even acclaimed, right?

Like how are you gonna reply to that drag with a soundtrack that was a creative output of a dozen different people's visions and not an album that is created by her own vision.

[Aries Groove]

8 minutes ago, Miss Americana said:

You know it's bad when your best comeback is a ******* soundtrack that wasn't even acclaimed, right?

Like how are you gonna reply to that drag with a soundtrack that was a creative output of a dozen different people's visions and not an album that is created by her own vision.

This doesnt even make sense ,how wasnt it acclaimed?

That OST smashed and won a BAFTA, Grammys and Oscar and a dozen of others

Also, she co produced and co wrote everything, please do better

[Storm653]

6 hours ago, єѕℓαм said:

A Legend has to be respected and acclaimed and i feel like Gaga is very much respected in both the music and movie industry and of course Fashion

so overall it's Gaga

but obviously Taylor is a legend in her own right 

Taylor literally has music legends from different generations praising her though including the Beatles. 

[Storm653]

Overall, this discussion is weird to have on ATRL because Taylor is a real "anti-hero"(no pun) here while Gaga is peak nostalgia and fits the stereotypical pop star image more. 

 

Because Gaga's no longer at her peak or dominating the music scene, people mostly associate her with her peak that everyone has love and nostalgia for and how she influenced the early 2010's pop scene before Lana and Lorde shifted it to a different sound. 

 

Taylor is still active in the music scene though. As a general rule, people have a harder time praising people who are still active or at their peak in music. 

 

When Gaga was at her peak, she had tons of detractors saying she'll never be a real legend and she was the poster child for "frontloading" when she sold BTW for 99 cents for a day to boost her fw sales. But, now that Gaga has moved beyond music, people are more comfortable calling her a legend. 

With Taylor, all you have to do with wait until she goes on a hiatus or slows down and you'll be better able to reflect on all of her legendary moments and contributions to music. 

 

All in all, both have claims for being legends but in different categories. With Gaga, it's about her music videos, celebrity status/antics, peak dominance and (albeit temporal) influence on the "recession pop" era. With Taylor, it's about her songwriting, long lasting dominance, influence on singer-songwriter types, and sales/stats. Older legends have praised both Taylor and Gaga too. 

 

Edited August 23 by Storm653

[Kill Me]

53 minutes ago, Aries Groove said:

This doesnt even make sense ,how wasnt it acclaimed?

That OST smashed and won a BAFTA, Grammys and Oscar and a dozen of others

Also, she co produced and co wrote everything, please do better

An acclaimed soundtrack would have a 80+ review on metacritic or enter year end, decade end or all time lists of best soundtracks.

Other acclaimed scores/soundtracks from 2018 like Annihilation, Phantom Thread, Black Panther, Spiderman:ITS did.

ASIB didn't.

 

Winning film awards for music does not mean the music is acclaimed. It just means the film was a successful oscarbait or it was the most commercially successful thing in the lineup. Look at Barbie, the soundtrack was panned yet it still won every award.

[Infernal Paradise]

The way ATRLers cannot think beyond sales is so- sales are a component, sure, but they're never the be all end all.

 

Anyways. Gaga, easily. She can effortlessly bounce between so many different mediums and ventures and be so successful at each one of them which  is an extremely rare artistic accomplishment. Every one else is busy competing in the same old popstar rat race. Meanwhile, Gaga is playing a completely different game with her own rulebook because she is a singular, generational talent. 

 

Like, you call Taylor a legend (which is fine, you do you) but she literally praises Gaga and looks up to her versatility and multi-faceted career. Lmao, please. If Taylor is a legend, then that makes Gaga automatically one, and arguably the bigger one too.

 

 

 

If I were an OGH'd Swiftie, I'd be fuming too if my fave effusively praised the artist I spend hours trashing as a "fad" on ATRL.

 

[Aries Groove]

17 minutes ago, Miss Americana said:

An acclaimed soundtrack would have a 80+ review on metacritic or enter year end, decade end or all time lists of best soundtracks.

Other acclaimed scores/soundtracks from 2018 like Annihilation, Phantom Thread, Black Panther, Spiderman:ITS did.

ASIB didn't.

 

Winning film awards for music does not mean the music is acclaimed. It just means the film was a successful oscarbait or it was the most commercially successful thing in the lineup. Look at Barbie, the soundtrack was panned yet it still won every award.

Film awards when they were awards linked to music

And i dont recall Barbie OST winning BAFTAs, multiple Grammys and Oscars

[Almighty Gaga]

Please be serious. 

 

Gaga, sweetie..

[Davidoff]

That's like comparing Madonna to Sabrina Carpenter. Come on. Dont do Taylor like that 

[Popboi.]

3 hours ago, Jay07 said:

Well, Gaga can sing, dance, is one of the most acclaimed performers and actors of her generation and wrote Shallow. But the other did write about tattooed golden retrievers so that's something I guess.

 

Oh what's that other one about karma and cats?

You say this as if Gaga didn't have an extremely extensive selection of egregious lyrics.