zweigson Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 minute ago, heckinglovato said: So it's not okay for them to wish you get bombed um... yes?
heckinglovato Posted August 22 Author Posted August 22 Just now, zweigson said: um... yes? You're clearly trolling as you ignored the rest of what I said (even erased it) as well as my other post And your trolling isn't even funny or well-timed considering the nature of the topic being discussed We're laughing at you and we all think you're an embarrassing laughing stock - so sorry that you need to fill some void for attention by doing this! 7 2 1
zweigson Posted August 22 Posted August 22 Just now, heckinglovato said: You're clearly trolling as you ignored the rest of what I said (even erased it) as well as my other post And your trolling isn't even funny or well-timed considering the nature of the topic being discussed We're laughing at you and we all think you're an embarrassing laughing stock - so sorry that you need to fill some void for attention by doing this! i'm not trolling, you're just being intentionally obtuse and supporting people wishing for me to be bombed. ******* weirdo. 10
heckinglovato Posted August 22 Author Posted August 22 Just now, zweigson said: i'm not trolling, you're just being intentionally obtuse and supporting people wishing for me to be bombed. ******* weirdo. I clearly said in my post that I don't support that but you erased it when you responded, and the rest of my statement clarified what I was saying yet you erased it too You're a nasty ass troll and a terrible one at it, and you defend corrupt politicians that pay to bomb my people so you're the biggest ******* weirdo yourself Why are you such an attention seeker? Are you like that in real life too within your social circles? 4 3
Swine Posted August 22 Posted August 22 (edited) The pro-Palestine protest movement may just be the most counter-productive and inefficient protest movement I've ever seen. Their key message is correct to anyone with an ounce of human emotions, they have numbers, they have some very smart people - why are they failing so badly at convincing people and politicians? Is it the casual use of anti-semitic slurs? Is it the 20th century protest tactics? Is it their lack of tact and their lack of understanding of how democratic politics works? Is it their focus on purifying our lives and our consumption, focusing on big brands (McDonalds, Eurovision, Starbucks) and big celebrities when those have almost zero impact? Is it their obsession with the words we use to describe things and semantics instead of normal messaging that appeals to normal people? Is it the violence and destruction of public property they think makes people like their message more? Again, I support the Palestinian cause, and everyone should. But that makes it even stranger how little the activist left has achieved after nearly a year of protests. I think an end to this war would actually be closer if it weren't for the activist left. Their activism is counter-productive or at the very least extremely inefficient, but I somehow doubt there'll be any self-reflection on that. It's always the other that lacks self-reflection. Edited August 22 by Swine 1 1 2 12
welham Posted August 22 Posted August 22 6 minutes ago, zweigson said: you did not just tell me you want me to get bombed you ******* weirdo wtf is wrong with you Gazans are going through other things like getting starved, becoming homeless, lacking hygiene products, constantly being forced to evacuate their homes or newly-made tents, etc. etc. But hey, at least you acknowledge they also get bombed. Is not a ******* wake-up call for the urgency of the situation? If you're acknowledging this urgency and the most horrific of Gazan experiences, why the **** are you still here effectively treating this a side issue that we should let Kamala get a pass on. I don't give a single **** if you feel offended if you're going to keep supporting and silencing the criticism of the same people who facilitate the experiences of Gazans. This complacency and half-assed attempts in justifying supporting these génocidaires is why they pay protesters and, more importantly, the consequences of their own actions DUST. We are talking about a ******* genocide and it's still treated as a "side issue." I don't want you to get bombed, but I truly don't give a single **** about your feelings. 8 1
heckinglovato Posted August 22 Author Posted August 22 1 minute ago, Swine said: The pro-Palestine protest movement may just be the most counter-productive and inefficient protest movement I've ever seen. Their key message is correct to anyone with an ounce of human emotions, they have numbers, they have some very smart people - why are they failing so badly at convincing people and ? Is it the casual use of anti-semitic slurs? Is it the 20th century protest tactics? Is it their lack of tact and their lack of understanding of how politics works? Is it their focus on purifying our lives, focusing on big brands (McDonalds, Eurovision, Starbucks) and big celebrities when those have almost zero impact? Is it their obsession with the words we use to describe things and semantics instead of normal messaging that appeals to normal people? Is it the violence and destruction of public property they think makes people like their message more? Again, I support the Palestinian cause, and everyone should. But that makes it even stranger how little the activist left has achieved after nearly a year of protests. I think an end to this war would actually be closer if it weren't for the activist left. Their activism is counter-productive or at the very least extremely inefficient, but I somehow doubt there'll be any self-reflection on that. Imagine writing a whole ass article on a pop forum debating the reasons behind the movement's ineffectiveness when the answer is just 'AIPAC'. Do you feel bad typing all of that up? Maybe use ChatGPT next time instead of going through all the effort only to end up looking silly? 9
State of Grace. Posted August 22 Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, Swine said: Again, I support the Palestinian cause You don't. Stop lying to yourself and people around you. 10 2
welham Posted August 22 Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Swine said: The pro-Palestine protest movement may just be the most counter-productive and inefficient protest movement I've ever seen. Their key message is correct to anyone with an ounce of human emotions, they have numbers, they have some very smart people - why are they failing so badly at convincing people and ? Is it the casual use of anti-semitic slurs? Is it the 20th century protest tactics? Is it their lack of tact and their lack of understanding of how politics works? Is it their focus on purifying our lives, focusing on big brands (McDonalds, Eurovision, Starbucks) and big celebrities when those have almost zero impact? Is it their obsession with the words we use to describe things and semantics instead of normal messaging that appeals to normal people? Is it the violence and destruction of public property they think makes people like their message more? Again, I support the Palestinian cause, and everyone should. But that makes it even stranger how little the activist left has achieved after nearly a year of protests. I think an end to this war would actually be closer if it weren't for the activist left. Their activism is counter-productive or at the very least extremely inefficient, but I somehow doubt there'll be any self-reflection on that. The last ten months showed that no matter the tact, no matter the strategy, no matter ANYTHING that protesters do: Dems will always be committed to supporting the genocide by sending the money and bombs. Israel serves the imperial interests of American hegemony, which serves both Dems and Repubs. And you're absolutely not pro-Palestinian. Your phrasing and description of the events and protesters is proof enough. 10
Uncatena Posted August 22 Posted August 22 6 minutes ago, Swine said: I think an end to this war would actually be closer if it weren't for the activist left. you guys are so good at telling on yourself 7 1
Red Velvet Posted August 22 Posted August 22 I don't understand why wouldn't they cover their ears? Do you know how loud that is in person. If you're giving the narrative that "they just dont want to listen" then that would work if it wasn't so loud right next to them. No excuse for that guy mocking 1
heckinglovato Posted August 22 Author Posted August 22 12 minutes ago, welham said: And you're absolutely not pro-Palestinian. Your phrasing and description of the events and protesters is proof enough. Yeah this too They always preface by saying things like "I don't support Palestinians getting killed" or "I support a ceasefire and the release of Israeli hostages" then end up saying the craziest **** ever 1
heckinglovato Posted August 22 Author Posted August 22 9 minutes ago, Red Velvet said: I don't understand why wouldn't they cover their ears? Do you know how loud that is in person. If you're giving the narrative that "they just dont want to listen" then that would work if it wasn't so loud right next to them. No excuse for that guy mocking How come there are others there who do not seem to be physically harmed by the decibels of a commercial megaphone/speaker? Do DNC attendees have more sensitive hearing than average human beings? Are they mutants? 1
byzantium Posted August 22 Posted August 22 The fact that whether or not to continue to fund and enable a genocide is "controversial" in the Democratic Party is proof that they will always sell out rights and morality in the interest of wealth. Democrats would end gay marriage and probably support an abortion ban too if they knew it would get them elected. 10
Vespertine Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 hour ago, zweigson said: because i'm not talking about people supporting palestine or a ceasefire. i'm talking about people not reading the room and actively campaigning against kamala in the middle of an election year. i support a ceasefire girl leave me alone They're not "actively campaigning against Kamala." They're trying to get her and the party to change their stance and stop literally funding and arming a genocide. If you're concerned about Kamala winning, then you should realize that she will have a better chance if she and the Democratic party listen to the many millions of Americans who do not want to support mass murder and destruction. If you're so hung up on ORANGE MAN BAD, WOKE LEFTISTS OBVIOUSLY ACTUALLY WANT BAD ORANGE MAN that you can't understand that, then you are a lost cause. 13
Pheromosa Posted August 22 Posted August 22 I get why they protest at these events but I don't think it's helping. People are just getting nastier towards them 1
The7thStranger Posted August 22 Posted August 22 While I can believe some people may have been holding their ears due to the loudness of the megaphone, those clearly mocking and rolling their eyes clearly do not understand how privileged they are not to find themselves in a similar situation. Those doing it should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Repugnant. This is the problem with the established DNC. They refuse to see their own shortcomings and actively silence the same voices they pretend to champion. There is no need to use support for any political candidate as a way to spit in the faces of the Palestinians who are facing the very serious threat of extinction. Especially since the people at fault here are the policymakers. If I look outside of Palestine, I have to ask myself what happens to POC and queer communities and undocumented immigrants in the US if Kamala loses? What happens to Ukraine if Russia scores another major and highly powerful ally in Trump? And that makes me fearful she will lose because the US continues to downplay the severity of this situation in Gaza. And if that happens, not only will Palestine cease to exist, but future security on a wider and grander scale will be at serious risk. A ceasefire would both spare Palestinan lives and ensure that Democrats don't lose power in November. 3 1
Communion Posted August 22 Posted August 22 2 hours ago, Bosque said: Probably because she is speaking with a megaphone which, if you are right next to it, is loud enough to cause hearing damage if you don't wear protective equipment Is that why the one man then mocks the apparent fact that a child of a certain age was murdered when asked to repeat what he just said off camera? 1
Communion Posted August 22 Posted August 22 2 hours ago, zweigson said: dnc attendees ignore fake woke self righteous weirdos heckling them while trying to show support for the only candidate who isn't a neo-nazi fascist who wants to take away the rights of everyone who isn't a rich straight white man Posts like these are why I can't support the whole cult, MAGA-like partisan demand that we all celebrate Kamala and that this is a kumbayah moment. Because even if I can empathize with fellow marginalized Americans feeling powerless in front of a looming Trump win and the corporate duopploy where money is power and our voices are dwarfed by that of Zionist donors, things like that clip... The partisanship ultimately serves to stifle and obscure the material relationship between Americans as a genocidal force and Palestinians as those being genocided. The children mentioned died in our name. They were slaughtered by a vassal state whose healthcare and government infrastructure and very bombs and missiles are funded by American tax dollars. This is why I cannot muster sympathy for liberals who claim its unfair that they're inadvertently made to "feel bad" or guilty over their vote for Kamala Harris as she helps preside over a genocide. As the clip shows, it's clear American liberals have not been shamed enough for who they are and the enjoyment they feel over the death and suffering of Palestinians. 9 1
favorite crime Posted August 22 Posted August 22 2 hours ago, heckinglovato said: The candidate who isn't a neo-Nazi being Kamala Harris? The one who approves billions of $ weapons funding for a country that is committing a genocide against my people? Do you think I, a Palestinian, am a self righteous weirdo for asking Kamala to support an arms embargo on non-defensive arms in order to stop (or minimize) the mass slaughter of my people? Not defending the other user but Kamala has actually approved 0$ in weapons funding and currently has no power or authority regarding foreign military aid 1
Communion Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Swine said: I support the Palestinian cause, and everyone should. But that makes it even stranger how little the activist left has achieved after nearly a year of protests. I think an end to this war would actually be closer if it weren't for the activist left. I need yall to first understand that this kind of trolling that aims to snidely make one seem above the Palestinian struggle doesn't work when most people understand that the protests against the Vietnam War lasted and occured well over a decade. The Catholic Zionist you voted for in 2020 and the girl boss top cop you're planning on voting in 2024 actively rejecting and threatening global authorities like the ICC or the UN - who have cleared a ceasefire deal that Hamas has agreed to and which the US is helping Israel reject - is why this genocide continues. Not whatever protest tactics you hope to demonize as ineffective because you know they make people less likely to vote for your candidate you have a celebrity-like parasocial affection for. 3
toxicgenie Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Red Velvet said: I don't understand why wouldn't they cover their ears? Do you know how loud that is in person. If you're giving the narrative that "they just dont want to listen" then that would work if it wasn't so loud right next to them. No excuse for that guy mocking 19 minutes ago, Pheromosa said: I get why they protest at these events but I don't think it's helping. People are just getting nastier towards them The methods used by some of these protesters, such as being confrontational and using name-calling (sound familiar?), are actually causing potential supporters to turn away. 2 3
Gov Hooka Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Swine said: The pro-Palestine protest movement may just be the most counter-productive and inefficient protest movement I've ever seen. Their key message is correct to anyone with an ounce of human emotions, they have numbers, they have some very smart people - why are they failing so badly at convincing people and politicians? Is it the casual use of anti-semitic slurs? Is it the 20th century protest tactics? Is it their lack of tact and their lack of understanding of how democratic politics works? Is it their focus on purifying our lives and our consumption, focusing on big brands (McDonalds, Eurovision, Starbucks) and big celebrities when those have almost zero impact? Is it their obsession with the words we use to describe things and semantics instead of normal messaging that appeals to normal people? Is it the violence and destruction of public property they think makes people like their message more? Again, I support the Palestinian cause, and everyone should. But that makes it even stranger how little the activist left has achieved after nearly a year of protests. I think an end to this war would actually be closer if it weren't for the activist left. Their activism is counter-productive or at the very least extremely inefficient, but I somehow doubt there'll be any self-reflection on that. It's always the other that lacks self-reflection. You don't support the cause if you can't even grasp the fundamental literal BEAST of an enemy this movement is up against. American militarism and brutality of colonization in its worst form…. Completely justified by weirdos like you deliberately obscuring the movement as anti-semitism… You're calling it a war and not a genocide. I don't think you actually care about this cause at all 7
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