news Ilhan Omar criticizes AOC, Kamala over claims of "working tirelessly for a ceasefire"

[Communion]

 

Edited August 21 by Communion

[State of Grace.]

She better lash the fake fraud AOC

 

 

[Virgos Groove]

Good.

 

I like AOC and she was one of the politicians I most looked up to back when she arrived at the House, but this colluding with centrist warmongering Dems has gone too far. Look, I get it; she's trying to extract some more leftist policies out of a potential Harris administration. But, at some point, you have to a draw a red line (and actively supporting a genocide seems like a pretty apt red line).

 

It's worth asking: is she using the centrists to pull the party to the left or are the centrists using her to posture as "progressive" without actually implementing the policies that come with the label? At this point, I'm leaning towards the latter.

Edited August 21 by Virgos Groove

[ToMmY]

And when is that rat going to criticize Maduro for Venezuela's genocide?

 

Oh, right...

Edited August 21 by ToMmY

[Communion]

24 minutes ago, ToMmY said:

And when is that rat going to criticize Maduro for Venezuela's genocide?

 

1) Odd to call a black woman a rat.

2) Odd to mention Venezuela when the Biden-Harris admin recently rewarded Maduro with the lifting of sanctions based on the promise of free and fair elections. 

 

I would hate to assume you have to pivot because there's no way to defend AOC + Kamala running cover for Israel's genocide? 

I'm not even sure Omar has any notable history of being supportive or soft on Venezuela. Unless there's some example of her being pro-sanctions in some places yet not in others and you're trying to use that as an example of hypocrisy that undermines her stance, the relevance is hard to see. 

 

It's much stronger of an argument to suggest Ilhan's party line pro-Israel votes that's she's made like AOC would mean she doesn't have too much room to criticize AOC 

Edited August 22 by Communion

[SeeingStars1515]

24 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Good.

 

I like AOC and she was one of the politicians I most looked up to back when she arrived at the House, but this colluding with centrist warmongering Dems has gone too far. Look, I get it; she's trying to extract some more leftist policies out of a potential Harris administration. But, at some point, you have to a draw a red line (and actively supporting a genocide seems like a pretty apt red line).

 

It's worth asking: is she using the centrists to pull the party to the left or are the centrists using her to posture as "progressive" without actually implementing the policies that come with the label? At this point, I'm leaning towards the latter.

I actually believe its the former. She has only managed to have a platform building because of her ability to meet centrists, articulate progressive ideas forcefully. We can't drag people to the left.

 

[IBeMe]

I think Ilhan isn't really going after AOC…I know AOC said what she said during the DNC but AOC is actually working her butt off for a ceasefire compared to Kamala and Joe. But I love Ilhan so much. She is steadfast in her convictions and she is right. More needs to be done. It's ridiculous and vile that Israel can continue to do what it's doing 

[Virgos Groove]

14 minutes ago, ToMmY said:

And when is that rat going to criticize Maduro for Venezuela's genocide?

 

Oh, right...

 

And why should American politicians get involved in Venezuelan affairs? Unlike with Israel, they're not funding Maduro and shipping him weapons.

Edited August 21 by Virgos Groove

[Luckitty]

she's right. the US backed ceasefire proposal doesn't even include a ceasefire 

 

They (america & its allies) don't want a ceasefire

[ToMmY]

1 minute ago, Virgos Groove said:

Well excuse me for not believing she actually cares when she's been supporting Maduro for years now by blaming the US for our crisis. Nobody here blames the US for what's happening to us simply because it's not true.

[Virgos Groove]

8 minutes ago, ToMmY said:

Well excuse me for not believing she actually cares when she's been supporting Maduro for years now by blaming the US for our crisis.

This is not to dismiss the economic mismanagement or authoritarian tendencies of the Maduro government, but why shouldn't she criticize US sanctions? Do you genuinely believed they didn't at least exacerbate the crisis?

 

And what gives the US the right to economically terrorize governments they don't like? Imagine if France and Germany tried to place an economic embargo on the US after the Iraq invasion.

Edited August 22 by Virgos Groove

[Space Cowboy]

AOC is doing what she has to do to secure that 2040 presidency i fear

[Virgos Groove]

26 minutes ago, Communion said:

I'm not even sure Omar has any notable history of being supportive or soft on Venezuela. 

That's because she doesn't.  The only times she spoke on Venezuela was when she opposed Trump's sanctions back in 2019 and when she praised Biden for lifting sanctions in 2023.

 

She's never praised Maduro or anything, she just doesn't want the US to interfere, which is... a standard policy of non-interventionists in the West.

 

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"Just as in interventions past, those who oppose war are labeled supporters of dictators and haters of 'freedom,' " she tweeted. "We saw this playbook in Iraq. The situation in Venezuela is dire and the Trump Admin is making it worse. We must support diplomacy, not war."

CNN

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[State of Grace.]

35 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

Good.

 

I like AOC and she was one of the politicians I most looked up to back when she arrived at the House, but this colluding with centrist warmongering Dems has gone too far. Look, I get it; she's trying to extract some more leftist policies out of a potential Harris administration. But, at some point, you have to a draw a red line (and actively supporting a genocide seems like a pretty apt red line).

 

It's worth asking: is she using the centrists to pull the party to the left or are the centrists using her to posture as "progressive" without actually implementing the policies that come with the label? At this point, I'm leaning towards the latter.

I'm pretty sure it's the latter as well. Her tone/rhetoric have changed a lot since 2020. She went from wanting to implement progressive policies and saying that in a normal country she and Genocide Joe wouldn't be in the same party to...making rounds to defend him all year and just comfortable being a "progressive voice" in a party that simply will not pass said progressive policies. I've seen a lot of praise for her because they believe it is a calculated decision to use her platform to pull progressive politics to the center of the Dem agenda.  You don't change the Democratic Party, it changes you. She's just playing the long game and trying to get herself into the good graces of party to book herself that 2040 ticket. 

[CandleGuy]

Sorry but when AOC is not far left enough for you, you've lost the plot.

[YellowRibbon]

I'm the least Pro-Israel person but let's be clear. The repercussions of a full arms embargo on Israel would be catastrophic for the citizens there. After all the atrocities that Netanyahu has committed, the desire for revenge is (rightfully) at an all time high in Iran and nearby Islamic countries. I do support an embargo on non-defensive arms tho

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

when AOC is not far left enough for you

Is this what's being said? AOC & Ilhan have nearly identical voting records. The statement says nothing about being left wing or not.

 

It's a very specific criticism to lie on stage about something that's not being done. Biden-Harris are objectively not working towards a ceasefire. That's just a fact.

 

AOC could have praised Harris and toed the party line without stating a lie that in itself harms protests for Gaza by suggesting Harris has done something she's not.

 

 

[Space Cowboy]

11 minutes ago, Communion said:

Is this what's being said? AOC & Ilhan have nearly identical voting records. The statement says nothing about being left wing or not.

 

It's a very specific criticism to lie on stage about something that's not being done. Biden-Harris are objectively not working towards a ceasefire. That's just a fact.

 

AOC could have praised Harris and toed the party line without stating a lie that in itself harms protests for Gaza by suggesting Harris has done something she's not.

 

 

AOC saw the clownery that came from other "squad" members and decided instead to try and be remotely productive. AOC has learned that it's better to compromise and try to get something done than virtue signaling a list of perfect policy goals and get nothing done.

 

We live in a reality where both major political parties are in support of Israel, one willing to facilitate a ceasefire negotiation, and one ready to help Israel wipe Gaza off the face of the Earth. AOC allying with the ceasefire party doesn't seem like a betrayal to me.

 

Also AOC didn't have to speak if she didn't believe the things that she said. Her instincts are pretty good when it comes to these things.

[Communion]

Just now, Space Cowboy said:

AOC saw the clownery that came from other "squad" members

 

21 minutes ago, Communion said:

AOC & Ilhan have nearly identical voting records.

?

 

Also, what is being "done"? The US has not moved closer to a ceasefire deal. What did AOC gain by lying about this?

[Reginald]

I see some ATRLers mention Trump, okay well...

let's not forget that earlier this week he admitted (the potentially treasonous act of) personally telling Netanyahu to NOT accept ceasefire until after the election, because doing so would make the Democrats look good.

 

Y'all need to realize that Donald "Muslim Ban / Deport the Protestors" Trump, is very much against your cause.

Edited August 22 by Reginald

[GhostBox]

She criticizes others yet the camera has shown Omar all day partying it up in the Arena. 😂

[Princess Aurora]

Well...

[Virgos Groove]

7 hours ago, Reginald said:

I see some ATRLers mention Trump, okay well...

let's not forget that earlier this week he admitted (the potentially treasonous act of) personally telling Netanyahu to NOT accept ceasefire until after the election, because doing so would make the Democrats look good.

 

Y'all need to realize that Donald "Muslim Ban / Deport the Protestors" Trump, is very much against your cause.

Libs: You should vote for Kamala because she can be moved on Palestine. Trump is an extremist who will always support Israel.

 

Leftists: Correct. Let's move her on the issue by protesting and withholding our vote until she endorses an arms embargo.

 

Libs: No, stop attacking my wholesum candidaterino!!!11!!

 

[heckinglovato]

8 hours ago, Reginald said:

I see some ATRLers mention Trump, okay well...

let's not forget that earlier this week he admitted (the potentially treasonous act of) personally telling Netanyahu to NOT accept ceasefire until after the election, because doing so would make the Democrats look good.

 

Y'all need to realize that Donald "Muslim Ban / Deport the Protestors" Trump, is very much against your cause.

And Holocaust Harris/Genocide Joe who literally PAY to kill Palestinians are on the side of our cause?

[Gov Hooka]

9 hours ago, YellowRibbon said:

I'm the least Pro-Israel person but let's be clear. The repercussions of a full arms embargo on Israel would be catastrophic for the citizens there. After all the atrocities that Netanyahu has committed, the desire for revenge is (rightfully) at an all time high in Iran and nearby Islamic countries. I do support an embargo on non-defensive arms tho

"Defensive" arms for an illegitimate country occupying stolen land are inherently offensive because Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians all deserve to fight back against Israeli aggression. Sorry but you're not actually the "least pro-israel" person out here if you're more concerned for the people committing genocide than the people suffering from and resisting it.