Trent W Posted August 24 Posted August 24 4 minutes ago, Aristede said: I still think it's a little harsh. It's more than just music to some people. It's their entire life. That's really not her problem tho When someone puts their art out there, the artist is not responsible of how an individual reacts to it And just because someone had a positive influence in you doesn't mean that you are entitled to their personal life and space
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Just now, Trent W said: That's really not her problem tho She reaps the benefits of it but can't be inconvenienced by it. This line of thought is a better example of insane celebrity culture and adulation than people asking her for a selfie.
fulgadrum Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 hours ago, Popboi. said: The part she compares a fan wanting a selfie to sexual harassment is not it The rest, she's absolutely right, although completely impossible at her current level of fame, there'll always be a person getting carried away or not in the know of her preference to not be interacted by unknown people You need critical thinking skills to get that the statement is not equating two different scenarios but that the axis of comparison is about violating consent, which is wrong in both situations.
Trent W Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, cuteboyzay said: I feel even it's a lot for Taylor too. And naturally I think she really does enjoy her fans being close to her, but it's gotten to a point where even for her it can be a bit much. Like the fact that I even MET my fave would be amazing. I couldn't care less for an autograph or a photo. It's unfortunate that some people genuinely translate it as being ungrateful if a celeb declines a few autographs! Like imagine hundreds of people coming up to you daily doing that over and over and overrr again. It's insanneee!!! That last part is what drives most artist's insane You can see it even in this thread, " is just a selfie and autograph no biggie" They don't get that it never stops, that's a form of torture for anyone. It might be cute the first week or two, but if it goes down forever that would drive anyone insane 2 1
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 minutes ago, cuteboyzay said: I feel even it's a lot for Taylor too. And naturally I think she really does enjoy her fans being close to her, but it's gotten to a point where even for her it can be a bit much. LMAO, Taylor literally FED parasocial behavior for over a decade. What people in this thread think unhinged celebrity culture is: asking a celebrity for a selfie. What unhinged celebrity culture is: making excuses for celebrities in such an illogical way and acting as if they're victims of things they chose themselves. 1
commander Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Oh Chappell, I like you a lot, but the more I see your interviews and know your takes, the more insufferable I find you. 5 1 1
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 minute ago, fulgadrum said: You need critical thinking skills to get that the statement is not equating two different scenarios but that the axis of comparison is about violating consent, which is wrong in both situations. Anyone with critical thinking skills can easily see the comparison is wrong no matter what.
Trent W Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, Thesedays said: She reaps the benefits of it but can't be inconvenienced by it. This line of thought is a better example of insane celebrity culture and adulation than people asking her for a selfie. would you take a selfie with everyone asking for it? everytime you step outside? forever? The consistency of that drives anyone insane
fulgadrum Posted August 24 Posted August 24 10 minutes ago, Aristede said: I still think it's a little harsh. It's more than just music to some people. It's their entire life. Maybe her music has helped them through difficult times and they want to share that with her. I don't think that makes them a bad person. LGBTQ people especially who are shunned by their families/communities are probably watching her and thinking "Maybe there is hope for me after all." Her music may literally be saving their lives. It doesn't just belong to her anymore. She has chosen to share it with the world, so it belongs to everyone and it is going to affect them in different ways. I feel she should embrace that instead of running away from it. This isn't the problem. You're talking about her artwork and content she's putting out. The problem is being touched, stalking her family (what does that have to do with the art??), feeling entitled to her time when she doesn't want to…these are beyond art and into personal territory. She's harsh because she won't let strangers trespass a boundary? She's unfair because she won't relinquish all boundaries after becoming famous? We are supposed to absolve bad behaviour just because it's normalized? The answer is no. 2
perfect blue Posted August 24 Posted August 24 She wants major record label-backed international fame and also to be able to watch a movie in a packed theatre without commotion? The reality is that's not gonna happen. She's setting herself up for failure and it's going to result in a manic meltdown. And yeah, it goes without saying that sexual harassment and stalking shouldn't be tolerated. Hire a security team instead of complaining on the internet and hoping for the best. 1 2
fulgadrum Posted August 24 Posted August 24 4 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Anyone with critical thinking skills can easily see the comparison is wrong no matter what. In what way is it wrong? What is the fault or wrong-doing in exemplifying non-consent? Speak plainly.
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Trent W said: would you take a selfie with everyone asking for it? everytime you step outside? forever? The consistency of that drives anyone insane I didn't chose or pursue fame, babes. What I would do is irrelevant. I don't have millions of dollars in my bank accounts, I don't fly private, I don't have millions idolizing me. And I also don't deal with the downsides of these things. Edited August 24 by Thesedays
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, fulgadrum said: In what way is it wrong? What is the fault or wrong-doing in exemplifying non-consent? Speak plainly. Fame is a CHOICE. By playing mainstream festivals, performing at the VMA, showing up as surprise guest at one of the world's biggest popstars and having a major presence on social media she is choosing fame. She is CONSENTING to be part of celebrity culture. Thus using sexual abuse language because she doesn't want to deal with the downsides of her own choices is disgusting. Edited August 24 by Thesedays 3 1
bjorn Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Her making that video and putting out this statement is only gonna fuel crazy people I'm afraid. She's not really helping herself is she. She's not cut out for this level of fame. And it's only been 5 seconds. Poor girl
Price of Fame Posted August 24 Posted August 24 I feel bad for her because it's only gonna get worse 2
Afterglow Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, Douglas Booth said: already so exhausting and im a stan. if you have a hard line when it comes to fans and interactions then you cant just be posting but take and active participation in setting these boundaries. you have to be realistic though that you can't change the whole entertainment industry to cater for you. at some point you have to wake up to real life and make a choice if its your absolute boundary and accept that it's gonna happen and you can choose to either be a successfull mainstream popstar or a private individual cause there is not gonna be an in between this decade This right here. And tbh im over this girl tbh. Yall she is kind of an a**hole and definitely does not need to be a famous popstar. This is a slap in the face for her supporters. Who says stuff like "stop being weird around me" or that she doesn't owe any positive interaction to someone who is giving her praise for her music. Wow. She's says specifically she's the only one allowed to show love to people. Like Yall... Just no. What a rude person hiding being "Drag".... And I'm not even gonna start on that part. She does not represent the Midwest population in any shape or form. Edited August 24 by Afterglow 2 2
brokee Posted August 24 Posted August 24 She is right before even though she got dragged like it is crazy that she got dragged for just calling out the creepy behavior with fans that have been normalized for decades when it should've never been normal in the first place. Someone with a brain will understand this and move on but the parasocial weirdos will never get this will challenge her too so I hope she has the security she needs cause unfortunately the people who should get the memo will not get the memo. 1
Bewitched Posted August 24 Posted August 24 13 minutes ago, Price of Fame said: I feel bad for her because it's only gonna get worse If she has a good team around her I think she'll be able to handle it better. I'm expecting fan interactions of videos that are only around 7 seconds putting her in a bad light without any context to go viral in the future bc we already know how Stan Twitter can be 🙄 But in a few years and with a good security network she'll be fine. Chappell seems to be a down to earth chick I'll doubt she'll get the "celebrity disease" 1
Soda Pop Queen Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dear Reader said: I loved her response. People were acting so weird and entitled over her expressing her boundaries. It's really not that difficult to understand that she has the right to her own privacy even if she chooses to be famous. This is why most celebrities stopped engaging with fandoms and posting on Twitter all the time. Beyoncé really was ahead of the curve with this. There was a brief moment back in the tumblr era (2012) where it looked like she might engage with fans online but she shut that down real quick when folks kept trying to drag Blue Ivy's hair when she was a toddler. She was thought of as standoffish and going out of her way to be not "relatable" but lbr, she saw the parasocial mess coming. It's only gotten worse in this decade. Even when it comes to artists releasing music, these young fans are waay too entitled. I didn't grow up with this level of impatience so it's really wild to me. Edited August 24 by Soda Pop Queen
Bewitched Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said: Beyoncé really was ahead of the curve with this. There was a brief moment back in the tumblr era (2012) where it looked like she might engage with fans online but she shut that down real quick when folks kept trying to drag Blue Ivy's hair when she was a toddler. She was thought of as standoffish and going out of her way to be not "relatable" but lbr, she saw the parasocial mess coming. It's only gotten worse in this decade. Even when it comes to artists releasing music, these young fans are waay too entitled. I didn't grow up with this level of impatience so it's really wild to me. Yah Beyoncé never really did interact with fans when social media first starting becoming very popular. I think new artists kinda need to be "chronically online" to gain a fanbase but once they're established they can slowly just go the beyonce route. 1
despy Posted August 24 Posted August 24 she has every right to feel/say it this way cause it's been literally seen before on social media that some of her "stans" were actually stalking her family 4
Lose My Breath Posted August 24 Posted August 24 @Bewitched Why downvote? You don't think that's a good solution? You think people are going to stop because she posted on Instagram? If so, you're as naive as her.
AFullMoonlight Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: Did you think before you typed this? Or are you just absurdly stupid? Performances at big award shows, headlining gigs at festivals, etc. are not "artists performing their music". These are people feeding into the fame machine. They want fame, adulation and money, otherwise they wouldn't be CHOOSING these platforms. Do a company paying millions of dollars because people idolize you to insane levels entitle strangers to idolize you? Is that what you're asking me? Does your brain work? "Promote themselves and their music" means mainstream fame and benefitting from celebrity culture but not dealing with celebrity culture? Did you type that out and think it made sense? What an absurd thing to say. God some of you have to be insufferable irl. An artist performing their music whether it be at a festival, inside a club, in an arena, at the VMAs, or in a Walmart parking lot DOES NOT warrant harassment or invasion of privacy. It is simply a part of their job. It is actually laughable that you think you make sense. 1 1
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