CottageHore Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said: *a part I certainly hope that she invests in bodyguards so that an incident like the one she experienced never happens again. Can someone fill me in? What did she experience?
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, AFullMoonlight said: People should just be able to make music and go home. Is that what popstars are doing when they have ad deals? Big award show performances? Huge social media presence? Mainstream popstars obviously aren't interested in just making music and going home, so why are you lying to yourself like that? Edited August 24 by Thesedays
Trent W Posted August 24 Posted August 24 6 minutes ago, Thesedays said: It is absolutely by her choice, what the ****. Who is forcing her to be booked at mainstream festivals and award shows and have a huge presence on social media? In this day and age people can become famous without their consent
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 1 minute ago, Trent W said: In this day and age people can become famous without their consent Is she being booked at the VMAs without her consent? Is she going on stage at an Olivia Rodrigo concert against her concert? Is she posting her life away on Instagram and TikTok without her consent? Is she playing every major mainstream festival without her consent? She literally spend six years of her life trying to get major top 40 hits. Like, what type of arguments are that? lol 4
CottageHore Posted August 24 Posted August 24 25 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Mmmmm, if all she want is to realease music and perform, does she need a huge VMA performance? a big TikTok account? show up at Olivia Rodrigo in front of 20k teen girls? kind of seems to me like she wants fame. I do get your point here, as someone who totally gets Chappell's message and validates that. But I feel like she shouldn't have to choose between taking her performances to great heights as an artist and also maintaining basic human privacy. I think that's her point, that being the victim of stalking and predatory behavior should be synonymous with being famous. She's pointing at that it shouldn't be normalized and that she's aiming to change that. 1
AFullMoonlight Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Is that what popstars are doing when they have ad deals? Big award show performances? Huge social media presence? Mainstream popstars obviously aren't interested in just making music and going home, so why are you lying to yourself like that? Did you actually think before you typed this? What does an artist performing their music have to do with anything I said? Do Ads entitle you to a complete stranger? Do Brand Deals? So they aren't able to promote themselves and their music because some of you don't know how to act right? 3
Trent W Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Is she being booked at the VMAs without her consent? Is she going on stage at an Olivia Rodrigo concert against her concert? Is she posting her life away on Instagram and TikTok without her consent? Is she playing every major mainstream festival without her consent? She literally spend six years of her life trying to get major top 40 hits. Like, what type of arguments are that? lol She's doing normal stuff that all artists do and she obviously has to profit of it You are basically justifying her being harassed by strangers just because she's performing Is she supposed just to stop doing music and what she likes just because a bunch of lunatics can't behave in public? Being a musician should never come with the baggage of being harrased Stans are the problem, not her
attention Posted August 24 Posted August 24 people continue to act dense and entitled - this same exact reaction and sides of fame has scarred a lot of people. the "she should be grateful cause it's gonna go away" like ok but will her safety feel comprised still down the road, im sure she'd prefer it that way. its funny I see people circulating old Gaga interviews of embracing fame and fans as a counter point to Chappell, as if Gaga didn't write fun tonight lol 1
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 6 minutes ago, CottageHore said: I do get your point here, as someone who totally gets Chappell's message and validates that. But I feel like she shouldn't have to choose between taking her performances to great heights as an artist and also maintaining basic human privacy. I think that's her point, that being the victim of stalking and predatory behavior should be synonymous with being famous. She's pointing at that it shouldn't be normalized and that she's aiming to change that. Stalking and predatory behavior? No. But people haranguing you for a selfie or shouting at you from a car (things she complained about) are NOT stalking or predatory behavior. It's actually absurd and dangerous these things are being reframed that way.
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, Trent W said: She's doing normal stuff that all artists do and she obviously has to profit of it You are basically justifying her being harassed by strangers just because she's performing Is she supposed just to stop doing music and what she likes just because a bunch of lunatics can't behave in public? Being a musician should never come with the baggage of being harrased Stans are the problem, not her None of these things are "normal stuff that all artists do." Those are things literally the biggest acts do. The ones who want fame. Thus, if she wants fame, she can't complain about the downsides of fame. Nothing you're saying is based on reality and make actual sense.
cuteboyzay Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 hours ago, Trent W said: Excellent drag those insufferable stans There needs to be drawn a very hard line here, artists don't owe fans **** If you like their art buy it and stream it and there is were it stops I hope artists become more reclusive and just express through their music We don't need to know **** about their personal lives Literally this. I could care less about an artist's personal life. Just make good music and that's it. We do NOT give af about the rest. Beyonce literally has been doing this for YEARSSS, she just never posts about it. I think ever since Taylor there's this weird comfortability and "entitlement" stans think they have over an artist's personal life. They think they are entitled to know every single little detail about an artist's life and are entitled to their time. They're not. And all of the weird a** b****** that were actually offended by what she said just PROVED her point, and I'm so happy she stuck to her guns about this lol.
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 8 minutes ago, AFullMoonlight said: Did you actually think before you typed this? What does an artist performing their music have to do with anything I said? Do Ads entitle you to a complete stranger? Do Brand Deals? So they aren't able to promote themselves and their music because some of you don't know how to act right? Did you think before you typed this? Or are you just absurdly stupid? Performances at big award shows, headlining gigs at festivals, etc. are not "artists performing their music". These are people feeding into the fame machine. They want fame, adulation and money, otherwise they wouldn't be CHOOSING these platforms. Do a company paying millions of dollars because people idolize you to insane levels entitle strangers to idolize you? Is that what you're asking me? Does your brain work? "Promote themselves and their music" means mainstream fame and benefitting from celebrity culture but not dealing with celebrity culture? Did you type that out and think it made sense?
Trent W Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, cuteboyzay said: Literally this. I could care less about an artist's personal life. Just make good music and that's it. We do NOT give af about the rest. Beyonce literally has been doing this for YEARSSS, she just never posts about it. I think ever since Taylor there's this weird comfortability and "entitlement" stans think they have over an artist's personal life. They think they are entitled to know every single little detail about an artist's life and are entitled to their time. They're not. And all of the weird a** b****** that were actually offended by what she said just PROVED her point, and I'm so happy she stuck to her guns about this lol. I completely agree, especially with the Taylor part She became so relatable and normalized people knowing all about her personal life that now young stans think is the same with every artist. Anyone thinking their entitled for a selfie, autograph or **** are sick in the head. 1
CottageHore Posted August 24 Posted August 24 4 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Stalking and predatory behavior? No. But people haranguing you for a selfie or shouting at you from a car (things she complained about) are NOT stalking or predatory behavior. It's actually absurd and dangerous these things are being reframed that way. Depending on what you're shouting out of the car, it can be predatory/harassment. That's a fact. And who's calling asking for a selfie "predatory". That part is just her setting a boundary that "you see me, leave me alone". You can find that boundary annoying or entitled or ignorant of what she "signed up for", but she's allowed to expect people to respect her boundaries out in public.
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Just now, Trent W said: I completely agree, especially with the Taylor part She became so relatable and normalized people knowing all about her personal life that now young stans think is the same with every artist. Anyone thinking their entitled for a selfie, autograph or **** are sick in the head. I love this new take where Taylor Swift created celebrity culture. It's giving
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CottageHore said: Depending on what you're shouting out of the car, it can be predatory/harassment. That's a fact. And who's calling asking for a selfie "predatory". That part is just her setting a boundary that "you see me, leave me alone". You can find that boundary annoying or entitled or ignorant of what she "signed up for", but she's allowed to expect people to respect her boundaries out in public. Yes, that's not how it works. You can't set boundaries of "you see me leave me alone" when your whole career is based on people idolizing you. Does a normal person, regardless of how talented they are, incites heart palpitation and screams when they get up a stage? They don't. Chappell does because she's a celebrity that wants and benefits from people idolizing her. She can't have that and then be like "oh no, I am just a normal person, don't bother me" Edited August 24 by Thesedays
Trent W Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 minutes ago, Thesedays said: None of these things are "normal stuff that all artists do." Those are things literally the biggest acts do. The ones who want fame. Thus, if she wants fame, she can't complain about the downsides of fame. Nothing you're saying is based on reality and make actual sense. Being an artist and performing doesn't mean you want to "be famous" Someone who wants to be famous are people like the Kardashians that literally pay the media to talk about them Most real artists these days don't want mainstream fame because of social media and the baggage that comes with it That's why we see artists like this girl or Doja melting down and destroying their brands as a reaction Being a mainstream artist in the 2020s is not cool anymore, it's a common topic between artists.
YourFavoriteWeapon Posted August 24 Posted August 24 She's right and she should be allowed to say it. Being famous shouldn't have to entail people harassing you on the street or contacting your family with intention to get information on you when you don't even know said singer. I feel really bad for her and as someone who also struggles with mental illness (I think Chappell has said she's bipolar?), I can't imagine what it's like to go from working at a fast food restaurant and not being known by anyone and then a year later everyone and their mother knows who I am and is trying to dictate how I should live my life and going as far to hound me in public. I really hope she has a good support system because I bet it's really daunting to become so famous overnight and then deal with all the negativity that comes with it. I'm glad she is defending herself and hopefully it encourages her fans to stop hounding her without her consent.
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 8 minutes ago, Trent W said: Being an artist and performing doesn't mean you want to "be famous" You are right. Performing at the VMA, having a huge social media presence and being a surprise guest at an arena concert of one of the world's biggest popstar does mean that though. 1
bjorn Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, yonsé said: actor fame is different from musician fame. comparing someone who is packing out stadiums IRL vs someone who can make a movie and go home are two very different sources of fame. you RARELY if ever are going to see an actor in person but you see a musician in person whenever you go to their shows. that harbors parasocial relationships. beyonce goes to target but has to go with 4 bodyguards who dont let people get near her or take pictures. she can't simply go to the movies either. after selena and christina grimmie musicians dont play with that Comparing Chappell to Beyoncé is crazy She could simply go in disguise, wear a hat, sunglasses and a Covid face mask and she'd be fine. Talking about Chappell here Quote you RARELY if ever are going to see an actor in person but you see a musician in person whenever you go to their shows. But you see an A list actor on the big screen when you go to the movies no? Edited August 24 by bjorn 1
Aristede Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) I still think it's a little harsh. It's more than just music to some people. It's their entire life. Maybe her music has helped them through difficult times and they want to share that with her. I don't think that makes them a bad person. LGBTQ people especially who are shunned by their families/communities are probably watching her and thinking "Maybe there is hope for me after all." Her music may literally be saving their lives. It doesn't just belong to her anymore. She has chosen to share it with the world, so it belongs to everyone and it is going to affect them in different ways. I feel she should embrace that instead of running away from it. Edited August 24 by Aristede 3
Thesedays Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, bjorn said: Comparing Chappell to Beyoncé is crazy She could simply go in disguise, wear a hat, sunglasses and a Covid face mask and she'd be fine. Talking about Chappell here Yea. If she simply wore a wig no one would recognize her. Also, it's offensive people are comparing Chapell to Beyoncé because Beyoncé would never make such a stupid complaint. Beyoncé CHOSE mainstream fame and isn't hypocritical about it.
Infatuation_Junkie Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 hours ago, Gaia said: To be fair, this is MUCH better worded than her tiktok rambling. Thats why the PR folks get paid the big bucks!
cuteboyzay Posted August 24 Posted August 24 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Trent W said: I completely agree, especially with the Taylor part She became so relatable and normalized people knowing all about her personal life that now young stans think is the same with every artist. Anyone thinking their entitled for a selfie, autograph or **** are sick in the head. I feel even it's a lot for Taylor too. And naturally I think she really does enjoy her fans being close to her, but it's gotten to a point where even for her it can be a bit much. Like the fact that I even MET my fave would be amazing. I couldn't care less for an autograph or a photo. It's unfortunate that some people genuinely translate it as being ungrateful if a celeb declines a few autographs! Like imagine hundreds of people coming up to you daily doing that over and over and overrr again. It's insanneee!!! Edited August 24 by cuteboyzay
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