news Trump: If you hate Israel, I will arrest and deport you

[rp662]

4 hours ago, Armani? said:

and is currently the vp to the person in office now

 

Well pass the memo to Netanyahu who is negotiating with Trump despite not being "in office now". 

 

 

[wastedpotential]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Ah, so this was referencing the informal surveying being referenced! Thank you for confirming!

 

I hope we can all then agree to also listen to Palestinian voices in their support for Hamas' willingness to lead the Palestinian resistance and see the end of the Zionist entity. 

Aside from the temporary ceasefire last November and obviously October 7th, what exactly has Hamas done in the furtherance of Palestinian liberation and the dismantling of the Israeli state apparatus? They're occasionally firing rockets at Ashkelon or Tel Aviv that are occasionally making it through the Iron Dome, but what does that get them aside from a retaliatory strike with exponentially more casualties? They've backed out of negotiations (warranted or not), have zero leverage, and are unlikely to survive any peace process in the leadership of Gaza because the Egyptians (and probably also the Jordanians) will not want an Muslim Brotherhood affiliated government on their borders, not to mention that Sinwar is no Arafat. Why should I, as an uneffected American whose primary interest is the cessation of hostilities and the preservation of lives choose to support Hamas when, even as our basic goals align, they've failed to take any actionable steps to protect or liberate the population of Gaza over the past 10 months? Surely my limited hours and resources are better dedicated toward electing politicians in my own country who aren't one degree removed from announcing concentration camps for Arab-Americans as a campaign policy proposal? 

 

Those in Gaza might not have another option, but you're not going to sway many people outside of PSL discussion meetings into agreeing with you that Hamas is worthy of their support (given its baggage) without achieved results that don't exist. 

Edited August 18 by wastedpotential

[Armani?]

3 hours ago, rp662 said:

Well pass the memo to Netanyahu who is negotiating with Trump despite not being "in office now". 

 

 

Which is exactly why we should push the lesser of two evils to stop unconditionally supporting Netanyahu & win this election

 

Sorry if that wasn't clear

 

Do you think pushing Trump is in anyway strategic atm when we barely can push Biden on the issue

[JonginBey]

Then do it, *****.

 

[Mr. Mendes]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

I'm sure you believe that. The issue is the hypocrisy in denying Palestinians the right to believe Hamas is better for them than a Holocaust ushered in by Israel.

 

This being important because the person you're electing will then try and deny objective reality and deny Palestinians their self-determination.

 

Palestinians would be more justified in their support of Hamas than any American claiming to care about Palestine in their support of Harris in her current views.

Friend, I've really got to ask at this point...what do you want the outcome in November to be? 

 

I don't mean your ideal scenario. I know your ideal scenario and it's neither Trump or Harris. But we both know that isn't what's going to happen. What is going to happen is we either get a Trump white house or we get a Harris white house. It's one of those two. 

 

Which outcome is the preferred one? I'm really trying to follow along with you because even when we disagree, I still feel I learn something from you, but right now I'm just genuinely lost on what it is you're banking on happening. 

 

3 hours ago, Communion said:

The dismantling of American egoism and hegemony is required for the social contract of American liberals to claim "I just care about domestic policies!".

Also, I really, truly do not think that it is at all fair to make such a broad claim that an American caring deeply about domestic policies cannot also care deeply about Palestine. There are many people in this country who simply do not have the privilege in life to only focus their energy attention one one thing and let that be what guides them in voting. 

 

At the risk of exposing too much of my personal life on a public forum, I have to say that I am one of those people. I care deeply about Palestine. You've seen me on here discussing it at length for months. I've attended multiple Palestine protests at my state houses, donated to various organizations to help with what little I can. I care. 

 

But I also was born with a medical condition that requires me to live through a revolving door of seeing specialists, getting expensive tests run to monitor my illness to see if it has progressed to something more, that requires me to take various medications to control the symptoms. If Trump were to win this election, I am very aware that one of the things he and his party wish to come after is insurance and healthcare. Will they succeed in it? I don't know, but I do know it is on their agenda. If I lose my insurance, if I lose the access I have to my doctors and my medication, I would no longer have the things that have allowed me to life a somewhat normal life. I could see this illness progress into something worse as it is always on the cusp of doing. i already live with a shortened life expectancy than your average healthy American, and I shudder to think that that could get even shorter if I'm unable to stay on top of treatment. 

 

My grandfather is a cancer survivor. He is also a veteran from Vietnam. His cancer is in remission, but he has been warned it could return at any time. He lost his wife to cancer in 2020, and it's something he lives in fear of. He is able to stay in a check up routine as well as get treatment for other ailments that come with his advancing age via his veterans benefits. This is also something that the Republicans have put in their crosshairs to eat into or even outright eliminate. 

 

One of my closest friends in the whole world is halfway through a transition. She has been working with doctors out of state (as we live in Tennessee) on her transition so far, but she still has a long way to go before she is living the life that makes her feel like a real person. Her rights have been challenged a great deal across the last few years, and it's rather unambiguous given the nature of the Republican's continued push to hurt transgender individuals what their policy would be in regards to this. Especially with a supreme court that is all but willing to back it up. 

 

My grandfather, my friend, they've both gone with me to Palestine protests. They've both donated some money of their own. We're in complete agreement in our support for Palestine. 

 

But tell me, given the situations we're in in our own lives, are you truly saying that Palestine is all we ought to be thinking about? Of course Palestine is currently the most pressing issue on the world stage, and we would not dare begin to argue with that. But does it truly make us selfish, or against Palestinians, or evil to also consider what we ourselves are met with at home? 

 

I know that you think voting doesn't matter, and I'm not really here to change your mind on that. But what does matter for individuals like us is who is in office. You can say it doesn't but it really, truly does. We do not have the privilege to be able to look at both parties as offering the same thing just because neither of them is good on Palestine. 

 

You talk about us and people like us as if we're evil for even daring to consider ourselves. Perhaps you don't mean for it to come across that way, but in the last few weeks that is the tone some of what you have said has come across with. 

 

So, I have to ask. What are we meant to do in your eyes? And I want you to be very honest in that answer. What, in your view, are the three of us and people like us meant to do if you were to make the decision for us? 

Edited August 19 by Mr. Mendes

[Sazare]

5 hours ago, Princess Aurora said:

nnnnn The way many of his voters will hate this because they're antisemitic and hate both countries (Israel & Palestine) 

Antisemites actually love Israel because it's an ethnostate and it's somewhere they could theoretically expel all the Jews to if they could get their way

[Sazare]

18 hours ago, Archetype said:

Casual reminder that anyone who thinks threatening a protest vote for Trump to "make Kamala move her policy" to be less favorable of Israel is a clown.  The "both are the same" and "we won't support the lesser evil" is a ******* ego issue, I can't stand ya'll.  

This has never happened. Nobody has ever threatened to do this. You're just making up people and getting mad at them.

I'm sure some people have pledged not to vote at all or to vote third-party, but I can promise you that the number of people sincerely threatening to vote for Trump to make Harris take a harder stance against Israel is, at most, a single-digit number.

Edited August 19 by Sazare

[Communion]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

Why should I, as an uneffected American, choose to support-

Posts like these ultimately show that the average American liberal is speaking past the realities of genocide, not in the hope of addressing the suffering they perpetuate.

 

We've already come to the same space and you're still deeply uncomfortable not completely getting your way.

 

No one has said you have to do anything. No one has said you should do anything.

My post already answered @khalyan's question on what people should do:

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Americans in swing states should vote for whoever is going to make their own lives better. While also accepting the current policies of Harris and Trump offer no meaningful difference for the people within the various countries their government is aiding in bombing.

You're entitled to vote for whoever you want to. You're not entitled to some false sense of emotional comfort that tells you you've done "the right thing".

 

You're not entitled to be free of the horrors in which the American national identity is built upon with inflicting harm on others.

 

Drone warfare and sanctions have already changed the proxemics between Americans and the destruction spread across the globe in our name.

Voting for Harris doesn't come with a gold star and a pat on the head that all those horrific videos online of children's skulls blowing up will be worth it.

 

Living in the belly of the beast and being part of the global 1% comes with having to live with the contradiction of the harm done in one's name. If that contradiction is actually upsetting to anyone, it would hopefully lead them to question it and oppose it, not lash out at having to be aware of its very existence.

Edited August 19 by Communion

[dlwlrma]

Hamas Atrl era is real omg

[wastedpotential]

33 minutes ago, Communion said:

Posts like these ultimately show that the average American liberal is speaking past the realities of genocide, not in the hope of addressing the suffering they perpetuate.

 

But why should I support Hamas specifically, as you've argued upthread? To my mind, providing financial assistance to help those who can escape, providing financial assistance to the aid organizations who have a hope of getting food and other supplies into Gaza, attending protests in my city, and supporting the politicians on a local level (and on a state and national level) who are the better option for Palestine seems like much better options of things I can do to try and alleviate the cruelty of the situation, as opposed to throwing my support behind Hamas and its leadership, who haven't been effective at all in addressing the suffering of the Palestinians.

 

This is beyond a discussion of who I'm going to vote for, because that's just reductive at this point. I want to know why you think I should support Hamas as this glorious organization of liberation when all they've managed in reality is to increase the material suffering of those in Gaza, beyond just oh, well people in Gaza support them. I'm privileged enough to have the option of who I support, whereas those in Gaza do not. Why should I choose to support Hamas? 

 

 

5 hours ago, Communion said:

Is this based off a survey of 4 people?

 

Most Palestinians from actual polling support Hamas and the resistance to Israli occupation. 

 

I assume if some perceived support for Harris (based on a physical survey of 4 Palestinians] leads one to support Harris electorally as the lesser evil, I imagine then such should also lead any American concerned about doing what's right to support Hamas as the lesser evil in Palestinians' fight against genocide. 

5 hours ago, Communion said:

Ah, so this was referencing the informal surveying being referenced! Thank you for confirming!

 

I hope we can all then agree to also listen to Palestinian voices in their support for Hamas' willingness to lead the Palestinian resistance and see the end of the Zionist entity. 

 

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

But why should I support Hamas specifically, as you've argued upthread?

I argue that Americans who claim to care about the Palestinian people and their suffering should support whoever Palestinians support.

You're demonstrating the incongruence in being unable to accept Palestinians largely rallying around Hamas while wielding your own guilty conscience.

 

Biden (and Harris as his VP) have largely been terribly ineffective leaders yet you ask for deference and that the world trust you as an American in your arguments that your continued strategy of voting for the lesser evil will at some point stop resulting in the spreading of death and destruction elsewhere.

 

Why do you get to vote for an ineffective idiot but the people you're bombing cannot pick their own leaders without your approval?

 

Americans are the richest nation in the world yet our own leaders we claim are the right choice spend our tax dollars on bombs, not healthcare.

 

The point being if you're entitled to support genocidal idiots for president, the least the American ego can do is realize there's no moral superiority the American identity can hang over the Palestinian people. The American people burden the Palestinians, we do not benefit them.

Edited August 19 by Communion

[family.guy123]

2 hours ago, Ricanaire said:

Deported where tho??

Unless you're Native American, back to where you came from 

[wastedpotential]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

I argue that Americans who claim to care about the Palestinian people and their suffering should support whoever Palestinians support.

You're demonstrating the incongruence in being unable to accept Palestinians largely rallying around Hamas while wielding your own guilty conscience.

 

Biden (and Harris as his VP) have largely been terribly ineffective leaders yet you ask for deference and that the world trust you as an American in your arguments that your continued strategy of voting for the lesser evil will at some point stop resulting in the spreading of death and destruction elsewhere.

 

Why do you get to vote for an ineffective idiot but the people you're bombing cannot pick their own leaders without your approval?

 

Americans are the richest nation in the world yet our own leaders we claim are the right choice spend our tax dollars on bombs, not healthcare.

 

The point being if you're entitled to support genocidal idiots for president, the least the American ego can do is realize there's no moral superiority the American identity can hang over the Palestinian people. The American people burden the Palestinians, we do not benefit them.

See, I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that support of the Palestinian cause is conditional upon support for Hamas as their liberators. Hamas is a movement aiming to free Palestine, but it's not the only one, and it hasn't done a very good job. The people of Gaza have no choice but to throw their support behind Hamas because of the reality on the ground there, sure, but there have been several Palestinians abroad who have called for nuance and who aren't rallying around Hamas. Acting as if there's a monolithic opinion is foolish and you certainly know better, and arguing that support for the Palestinian cause requires full-throated support for Hamas is something right out of the Hasbara playbook. 

 

I've already settled that this has nothing to do with American electoral choices, and I can certainly sympathize with why someone living in Gaza would support Hamas, and I can even understand why you do, but I don't understand why you think I must also in order to be a true supporter of Palestine, to meet whatever metric of moral purity you've decided is the correct one. I'm not "hanging moral superiority over the Palestinian people", I'm hanging my superiority over you and your revolutionary puritanism being the perfection standing in the way of the good, just as you blather your own self-superiority over the rest of us for not being as revolutionarily enlightened.

 

Putting aside their historic tactics and the reasons I don't feel obligated to support them in the way you seemingly do, just from a tactical standpoint they've been highly ineffective at reducing the immediate harm to the people of Gaza. I know your ultimate goal is the eradication of the Israeli regime and the re-indoctrination of its people (and for whatever it's worth, I imagine you'll find Mossad standing over your bed in the middle of the night before that ever comes to pass), but surely the first step on that path is a reduction in violence and a cessation of hostilities. In that aim (and in the unfeasible anti-zionism aims you've also professed), Hamas achieved literally nothing since last October, and has managed to spur an unimaginable bout of death and destruction in the meantime. 

 

Even if I didn't have issue with Hamas's ideology and their history, I do have issue with the fact that they've been highly ineffective at achieving what should literally be step 1A on their path to ruling from the river to the sea, and at this rate, they're going to lose. As an evil NED/USAID American Chauvinist (or whatever you're going to call me), I'd rather focus my efforts towards harm reduction, towards a peaceful settlement for the time being in the hopes of a long-term negotiated resolution, and towards aid groups that have shown at least some degree of success down that path. All that aside, I'm glad you're no longer shaming people who choose to vote for Harris for personal reasons (even if you refuse to admit that she's the least-bad option for Palestine at this point), and I hope you pull your head out of your metaphorical revolutionary ass and realize that demanding people support Hamas in order to support Palestine is just as likely to turn people away from supporting Palestine altogether as it is getting them to stand behind your chosen terror organization/freedom fighters of the moment. 

[ClashAndBurn]

10 hours ago, suburbannature said:

But let's protest Kamala instead 

Protesting Killer Kamala and Genocide Joe is merely the morally right thing to do.

[JoeAg]

send my juicy jewish (just btw!) ass out to canada then, you fugly orange piece of sh*t 🖕🏻

[Hurem]

11 hours ago, Mr. Mendes said:

So, I have to ask. What are we meant to do in your eyes? And I want you to be very honest in that answer. What, in your view, are the three of us and people like us meant to do if you were to make the decision for us?

I am not surprised this post was met with crickets. Yet another proof some of the users fantasize of a utopia that's not realistic.

 

I absolutely understand the frustration of Palestinians who may want to see the world burn because of what is happening to them for month, years even. I absolutely do. And they have the right to be angry. But the savior complex from some Americans where they expect people to drop all of their personal life problems, because others on the planet may have it worse than you, is really mind-boggling.

 

Your post perfectly sums up the reality of Americans. As shitty as it may be, you only have two options - Harris or Trump. One will impact your life more than the other. You may care for Palestine and not be selfish or a bad person for not wanting a literal Handmaid's Tale situation in your country.

[Communion]

58 minutes ago, Hurem said:

I am not surprised this post was met with crickets.

Nothing was met "with crickets," let alone because there's nothing to actually address in the post being quoted. I was going to PM @Mr. Mendes because we respect each other to reiterate what I've already said and not have to go another round of explaining in here, but if you want to not understand, sure, we can go another round. 

 

You are not entitled to emotional comfort. 

 

No one has restricted you or disenfranchised you. No one has told you what you should do, which is why arguments where people either genuinely or disingenuously act torn up over their vote (I believe @Mr. Mendesis genuine and falls in the former) have no actual response because such has invented a conflict that doesn't actually exist. 

 

Have you been wiped from the voter rolls? Has your polling location been bombed? Will activists chain themselves to your voting location on election day and stop you from voting?

 

The issue is that what amounts to emotional theater ultimately aims to obfuscate the material relationship between Americans and Palestinians. 

 

"Am I selfish? Am I evil?" is not a Marxist analysis. It is self-imposed guilt. 

 

Feeling good about one's vote doesn't change the material impact of that vote. It doesn't change the material relationship between Americans as beneficiaries of global exploitation. 

 

Of course an individual vote is not the issue. Americans are not individually powerful in that way. Which is why no one is has told you how you should vote. It's about though the collective lack of consciousness and demand to be freed from being exposed to the political realities done in your name. To deny the basic material relationship between America and the genocidal political project if its vassal state of Israel. 

 

Last night I saw a video of a young Palestinian girl whose face and eyes were harmed in an explosion and who was determined to now be permanently blind. She wailed in the hospital bed, afraid because she could no longer tell who or what was around her, and the adults around her had to comfort her to pray. That's suffering. That's strife. 

 

Feeling like you're being denied a sense of optimism and enthusiasm one feels entitled to have around casting their vote is not a form of suffering. It is not a form of strife. 

 

You're not undergoing suffering by being forced to reconcile that your desired political realities ultimately mean mass suffering for others. At least not in the context of what is being done to continue the privileged foundation of the American national identity. Don't invert reality. Feeling bad about your vote doesn't compare to this and I feel like I live in some insane 9/11-era world when people act like it does:

 

Edited August 19 by Communion

[Hurem]

11 minutes ago, Communion said:

You are not entitled to emotional comfort. 

This is a borderline sociopathic thing to say here has never been a time in this world when someone wasn't suffering, does that mean no one deserves to be optimistic or happy until all suffering is eradicated?

 

14 minutes ago, Communion said:

No one has restricted you or disenfranchised you. No one has told you what you should do, which is why arguments where people either genuinely or disingenuously act torn up over their vote (I believe @Mr. Mendesis genuine and falls in the former) have no actual response because such has invented a conflict that doesn't actually exist. 

 

Have you been wiped from the voter rolls? Has your polling location been bombed? Will activists chain themselves to your voting location on election day and stop you from voting?

Why is everything you say laced with guilt-tripping? I don't think anyone feels like they've literally lost their power to vote. We're talking about people trying to make others feel bad for supporting Harris, as if there's a better realistic option.

 

20 minutes ago, Communion said:

"Am I selfish? Am I evil?" is not a Marxist analysis. It is self-imposed guilt. 

Self-imposed as if there aren't extreme leftists online gullt-tripping people all the time  But like @Mr. Mendes said, no one really knows what your goal is. You criticize voting for Harris but offer no better solution. It just seems like another case of wanting to feel morally superior.

 

23 minutes ago, Communion said:

You're not undergoing suffering by being forced to reconcile that your desired political realities ultimately mean mass suffering for others. At least not in the context of what is being done to continue the privileged foundation of the American national identity. Don't invert reality. Feeling bad about your vote doesn't compare to this and I feel like I live in some insane 9/11-era world when people act like it does

You're giving Fox News type of spin by trying to paint a picture that people are equating the suffering of Palestinians to the annoyance of extreme leftists trying to make others feel bad for voting for Harris.

 

I'll quote @Mr. Mendes cause they summed it perfectly:

 

12 hours ago, Mr. Mendes said:

You talk about us and people like us as if we're evil for even daring to consider ourselves. Perhaps you don't mean for it to come across that way, but in the last few weeks that is the tone some of what you have said has come across with. 

 

So, I have to ask. What are we meant to do in your eyes? And I want you to be very honest in that answer. What, in your view, are the three of us and people like us meant to do if you were to make the decision for us? 

 

[Virgos Groove]

34 minutes ago, Communion said:

Nothing was met "with crickets," let alone because there's nothing to actually address in the post being quoted. I was going to PM @Mr. Mendes because we respect each other to reiterate what I've already said and not have to go another round of explaining in here, but if you want to not understand, sure, we can go another round. 

 

You are not entitled to emotional comfort. 

 

No one has restricted you or disenfranchised you. No one has told you what you should do, which is why arguments where people either genuinely or disingenuously act torn up over their vote (I believe @Mr. Mendesis genuine and falls in the former) have no actual response because such has invented a conflict that doesn't actually exist. 

 

Have you been wiped from the voter rolls? Has your polling location been bombed? Will activists chain themselves to your voting location on election day and stop you from voting?

 

The issue is that what amounts to emotional theater ultimately aims to obfuscate the material relationship between Americans and Palestinians. 

 

"Am I selfish? Am I evil?" is not a Marxist analysis. It is self-imposed guilt. 

 

Feeling good about one's vote doesn't change the material impact of that vote. It doesn't change the material relationship between Americans as beneficiaries of global exploitation. 

 

Of course an individual vote is not the issue. Americans are not individually powerful in that way. It's about though the collective lack of consciousness and demand to be freed from being exposed to the political realities done in your name. To deny the basic material relationship between America and the genocidal political project and its vassal state of Israel. 

 

Last night I saw a video of a young Palestinian girl whose face and eyes were harmed in an explosion and who was determined to now be permanently blind. She wailed in the hospital bed, afraid because she could no longer tell who or what was around her, and the adults around her had to comfort her to pray. That's suffering. That's strife. 

 

Feeling like you're being denied a sense of optimism and enthusiasm one feels entitled to have around casting their vote is not a form of suffering. It is not a form of strife. 

 

You're not undergoing suffering by being forced to reconcile that your desired political realities ultimately mean mass suffering for others. At least not in the context of what is being done to continue the privileged foundation of the American national identity. Don't invert reality. Feeling bad about your vote doesn't compare to this and I feel like I live in some insane 9/11-era world when people act like it does:

 

I think I'm following what you're saying (and agree), but I have to ask: does not voting help the Palestinians?

 

I ask this not in a "see, this is why we should voot™!!!" way, but in a "do both outcomes (voting and not voting) ultimately lead to the harm of Palestinians and is it ultimately a catch-22?" way.

 

Edit: Well, not "we" because I'm not American, but you get the point.

Edited August 19 by Virgos Groove

[Communion]

43 minutes ago, Hurem said:

trying to make others feel bad for voting for Harris

I think feeling bad is dwarfed by the reality of not being bombed so. 

 

42 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

I think I'm following what you're saying (and agree), but I have to ask: does not voting help the Palestinians?

 

I ask this not in a "see, this is why we should voot™!!!" way, but in a "do both outcomes (voting and not voting) ultimately lead to the harm of Palestinians and is it ultimately a catch-22?" way.

Because individual votes don't matter - which is why again no one has been told how they should vote - no, not voting doesn't perpetuate harm to anyone. 

 

And that, based on who actually does and does not vote, this idea of demanding nuance for the most marginalized in America would actually apply to non-voters more than voters.

 

If marginalized Americans are still citizens of an empire but also marginalized with their own suffering, I think it says something that many marginalized Americans do not vote and being marginalized increases one's likelihood to not view voting as a meaningful exercise in improving one's own life. 

 

(Non-voters also largely don't lash out at voters, insecure over their choice, out of some self-imposed guilt. I wonder how the difference in privilege between voters and marginalized non-voters influences that.)

 

That's ironically where this anger many seem to have stems from. 

 

If Harris can't be moved on foreign policy, then try and win over voters through any progressive policies! Oh? She announced them already? *reads list* Oh.. *crickets*

 

If voting is meant to be pragmatic and an exercise in harm reduction for the American liberal, their anger comes from knowing politicians' servitude to the donor class makes whatever policy packages they have to build coalitions then weak. 

 

I mean, that's summed up by the person I am quoting above. 

 

They're angry (some I would say are genuinely sad but it's easy to spot where anger derives from privilege) because the massive, constant stream of first person videos of Palestinians filming their genocide is apparently more convincing of an argument on how one should vote or not than anything Harris has been able to articulate.  

 

It comes back to the material relationship. If people feel their lives are going to genuinely be changed for the better, they're simply going to vote for their self interest and self-preservation. We're stuck having these cynical conversations because Democrats simply have failed to present an imagined America under Harris that offers a higher enough quality of life to shift the mass suffering of Palestinians out of one's purview. 

Edited August 19 by Communion

[DAP]

Omg promise??

[MattieB]

LMAO WELP

 

Now the nonblack pro-Palestine supporters will get off our (black folks) asses, with the weird attacks lately for supporting Kamala

[MattieB]

13 hours ago, dlwlrma said:

Hamas Atrl era is real omg

Disgusting

[Mr. Mendes]

8 hours ago, Communion said:

Nothing was met "with crickets," let alone because there's nothing to actually address in the post being quoted. I was going to PM @Mr. Mendes because we respect each other to reiterate what I've already said and not have to go another round of explaining in her

 

You're very welcome to still do this, by the way. I would welcome it. 

 

I would genuinely like to discuss it more, and I do think it may be more beneficial to do it without an audience if only so we both have a better chance of understanding where the other is really trying to come from without us both sort of being used as checkmates for the other LMAO

[toxicgenie]

21 hours ago, Ricanaire said:

Deported where tho??

If you're lucky Mexico.

 

But considering which world leaders are friendly with Trump, I would bet on a deal with Israel, North Korea, or Russia. This won't be a vacation that I am sure of.