LadyDiana Posted August 15 Posted August 15 4 hours ago, Sazare said: Conservatives wouldn't vote for any democrat anyway. It's not their votes he'd be trying to court. People previously said the same things about black people (Obama, Kamala) and women (Kamala, Hillary), and they've since been at the top of the democratic ticket anyway, and Hillary and Obama both won the popular vote in their three presidential elections. Let me correct myself, moderates in swing states are not ready for a gay president
GraceRandolph Posted August 15 Posted August 15 44 minutes ago, XDNA said: endorsements ≠ nomination. Votes and elections do. How did Kamala become the nominee?
XDNA Posted August 15 Posted August 15 12 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: How did Kamala become the nominee? Are you an adult? Sometimes I wonder about yall..
Virgos Groove Posted August 15 Posted August 15 In some alternate timeline, we could've had Bernie as POTUS and Corbyn leading Great Britain... Spoiler ...and promptly ousted by the CIA/MI5.
Tovitov Posted August 15 Posted August 15 After Nevada, it was clear neither would win since they failed to make any inroads with non-white primary voters. Amy was only staying in to win Minnesota on Super-Tuesday anyway but Mayor Pete was probably delulu enough to hold out like Warren did. Still, Biden winning South Carolina by 30 points and Bernie failing(again) to make inroads with black voters was the catalyst that set this whole chain of events in motion. Hot take: I don't find the argument that Bernie was a strong general election candidate but couldnt win the primary without a divivded opposition all that persuasive. It was clear a large chunk of Bernie's 2016 primary support was due to Hillary's unpopularity. Don't get me wrong, I think Bernie could have beaten Trump. But I don't think he'd have done better than Biden given the cicumstances. 1
pride4jc1222 Posted August 15 Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Virgos Groove said: In some alternate timeline, we could've had Bernie as POTUS and Corbyn leading Great Britain... Reveal hidden contents ...and promptly ousted by the CIA/MI5. I will always believe that if Bernie had won the nomination in 2016, he would have defeated Trump, and the US would not have bungled the response to COVID (which in turn would have helped the world handle the pandemic better).
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 15 ATRL Moderator Posted August 15 10 hours ago, LadyDiana said: Let me correct myself, moderates in swing states are not ready for a gay president Indiana voted for a Black man with the middle name of Hussein in 2008. Pete Buttigieg being gay is basically a footnote detail about him. He is so plain that his being gay is easy to forget for those that think it's a problem. I don't like Pete, but this argument that America can't elect a gay person is baseless and exhaustingly defeatist rhetoric—especially if it is coming from someone who is not from America.
Acuminatus Posted August 16 Posted August 16 (edited) The moderate candidates were splitting the votes, and so the weaker candidates with no chance dropped out and the moderate vote coalesced around Biden. What a scandal. Too bad Bernie was bad at coalition building he couldn't even get his former ally Warren to drop out and endorse him. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-bernie-sanders-vastly-underperformed-in-the-2020-primary/ And lol at him still saying he won Iowa. He was lucky the DNC screwed up the caucus vote tallying so he could claim victory and Pete couldn't use the Iowa win boost to his benefit as much in New Hampshire. Though that might have made Mayor Pete drop out faster so maybe it wasn't so lucky after all. Edited August 16 by Acuminatus
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