Communion Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Previously confirmed in a 2021 book following Biden's victory that Obama reached out to Buttigieg/Klobuchar, but first time Sanders has acknowledged the 2020 primary in this context. 1 4
LadyDiana Posted August 15 Posted August 15 UsA is not ready for a gay leader, don't be ridiculous 1 2
Biggie Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Cool - I hope this makes the news and makes an impact on voters.
Gelato Posted August 15 Posted August 15 is this really an accurate reading? buttigieg won iowa so he didn't win the first three states, and from what i remember he struggled in states with more african americans (the same reason he lost in 2016) 5 2
Communion Posted August 15 Author Posted August 15 5 minutes ago, LadyDiana said: UsA is not ready for a gay leader, don't be ridiculous 5 minutes ago, uusagii said: Anyways Quote Location: Germany Quote Location: Toronto Do I spot foreign adversaries trying to attack the concept of free and fair elections in America? 2
Joey307 Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Yeah, and they did this in 2016 against Bernie, too. They rigged the primaries against him. 1
N.M.K. Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Didn't we cheer about this when people tried to drop out to coalesce against Trump in the primaries? And didn't Biden end up winning against Bernie after they were the last two left anyway lol
Distantconstellation Posted August 15 Posted August 15 11 minutes ago, Gelato said: is this really an accurate reading? buttigieg won iowa so he didn't win the first three states, and from what i remember he struggled in states with more african americans (the same reason he lost in 2016) It is an accurate reading. Obama made phone calls and told buttigieg and klobuchar to drop out and endorse Biden who had performed poorly up until that point. As far as Iowa Bernie won the popular vote there and there was the scandal with the machines in Iowa where for weeks we didn't know the results so I don't think anyone got a bump from it. Pete declared himself the winner right away. Bernie then went on to win New Hampshire, and he completely obliterated everyone in Nevada where latinos, blacks and young people came out in droves to vote for him. Jim clyburn then endorsed Biden in South Carolina. Biden won south Carolina with Bernie coming in second. Obama and the establishment then made phone calls and had buttigieg and klobuchar drop out and endorse biden. Buttigieg didn't wanna drop out by the way but the powers that be are really powerful. At this point Elizabeth Warren was still in the race but she never endorsed Bernie even though it was clear she wasn't going to win . Would Bernie have won had buttigieg and klobuchar not dropped out and Warren endorsed him? Most likely but we will never know As far as people who doubt that Obama and the establishment have that much power, multiple people pretty much said so this time around on cnn and msnbc. They pretty much did the same thing to get Biden out of the race. 1
leo-j Posted August 15 Posted August 15 9 minutes ago, N.M.K. said: Didn't we cheer about this when people tried to drop out to coalesce against Trump in the primaries? And didn't Biden end up winning against Bernie after they were the last two left anyway lol the candidates all dropped out before super tuesday and put their support to Biden, it wasn't a joe vs bernie situation, it was the democratic establishment vs bernie sanders. Pete, Amy, Kamala, everyone dropped out and coalesced behind joe biden to secure the nomination. 3 2
ThePopStop Posted August 15 Posted August 15 What's this? The very same people that claim that Trump is a threat to Democracy? The same party that forced a sitting President to not run for re-election? WAKE UP PEOPLE. 2 3
Dula Peep Posted August 15 Posted August 15 14 minutes ago, leo-j said: the candidates all dropped out before super tuesday and put their support to Biden, it wasn't a joe vs bernie situation, it was the democratic establishment vs bernie sanders. Pete, Amy, Kamala, everyone dropped out and coalesced behind joe biden to secure the nomination. Exactly the entire establishment which included the media like The View and CNN, MSNBC the way they talked about Joe vs Bernie was sooo obvious whose side they were pushing for…
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 15 ATRL Moderator Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Gelato said: is this really an accurate reading? buttigieg won iowa so he didn't win the first three states, and from what i remember he struggled in states with more african americans (the same reason he lost in 2016) Sanders won 6k more votes in Iowa than Pete and won by considerable margins in the next two states. Biden won one state and then everyone dropped out and endorsed him after Obama made phone calls. Then it was Super Tuesday. So, yes, this is an accurate read of what happened. — OT: I’m a bit confused why he’s suddenly talking about it now? Maybe because his good friend Joe’s political career is about to end? But, we been knew, Bernie. 3
bad guy Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Water is wet. The DNC really shot themselves in the foot by drowning out their constituents to further their own political agendas. Sometimes I wonder how the country would be with Sanders as president and get mad all over again that a potential FDR 2.0 got cheated out of the race and forever soiled the Democratic Party. 3
N.M.K. Posted August 15 Posted August 15 56 minutes ago, leo-j said: the candidates all dropped out before super tuesday and put their support to Biden, it wasn't a joe vs bernie situation, it was the democratic establishment vs bernie sanders. Pete, Amy, Kamala, everyone dropped out and coalesced behind joe biden to secure the nomination. Yes but the voters decided on Biden on Super Tuesday no?
LadyDiana Posted August 15 Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Communion said: Do I spot foreign adversaries trying to attack the concept of free and fair elections in America? Are u kidding me. A gay candidadte is unelectable in usa, I can say that as a foreigner. It is not a hate against gay people, its just that coservatives will not vote for him
Bosque Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Why wouldn't politicians who barely receive any votes drop out, instead of spending millions on a doomed campaign? They both did badly in the four states they competed in, except for Pete in Iowa
Sazare Posted August 15 Posted August 15 1 hour ago, leo-j said: the candidates all dropped out before super tuesday and put their support to Biden, it wasn't a joe vs bernie situation, it was the democratic establishment vs bernie sanders. Pete, Amy, Kamala, everyone dropped out and coalesced behind joe biden to secure the nomination. Fwiw: Kamala dropped out before the primaries even began and didn't endorse Biden until after Super Tuesday
Sazare Posted August 15 Posted August 15 25 minutes ago, LadyDiana said: Are u kidding me. A gay candidadte is unelectable in usa, I can say that as a foreigner. It is not a hate against gay people, its just that coservatives will not vote for him Conservatives wouldn't vote for any democrat anyway. It's not their votes he'd be trying to court. People previously said the same things about black people (Obama, Kamala) and women (Kamala, Hillary), and they've since been at the top of the democratic ticket anyway, and Hillary and Obama both won the popular vote in their three presidential elections.
N.M.K. Posted August 15 Posted August 15 1 hour ago, ThePopStop said: What's this? The very same people that claim that Trump is a threat to Democracy? The same party that forced a sitting President to not run for re-election? WAKE UP PEOPLE. There's a difference between 1) the Democratic Party - a political orhanization - legally acting as a political party and allegedly working to coalesce around the candidate they believe will achieve their goal of being elected into power and 2) Trump and his team working to stop states from certifying their election results because it was not in their favor AND encouraging a violent insurrection to prevent the peaceful transition of power.
Johnny Cash Posted August 15 Posted August 15 So many people against democracy in this thread let's be honest, if Trump was a woman at least half of this forum would support her
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