WildHeart Posted August 12 Posted August 12 50 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said: it's not showing for each song tho... 43 minutes ago, Klein said: Oh then I don't know where to easily find the numbers for each song individually. Only place I know you can find it is on Twitter, there are accounts that follow precisely each album of a certain artist (at least I know there are some for Taylor). https://kworb.net/spotify/songs.html Songs with more than 500M streams. From artists, you can check every song of an artist too 3
WildHeart Posted August 12 Posted August 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blackout2006 said: Cruel Summer sweetie, the backbone that you are Lover (song) has more streams than every Billie song but 4. Edited August 12 by WildHeart 2 1
Sugar-Rush Posted August 12 Posted August 12 Applause vs Roar. Roar was still bigger overall, but the Prism era was Katy's last relevant era and she hasn't been able to produce a hit that's as big as Roar or Dark Horse in the past 10 years. Meanwhile Gaga rebounded with ASIB and Chromatica and is arguably the more successful artist of the two. 2
The Music Industry Posted August 12 Posted August 12 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said: It had a revival a year ago? Before that, it had around 5 billion streams which was 5 billion streams behind Billie's lol. So had it not been for this resurgence in streams, it would have just been gaining streams at its normal pace and behind Billie's. If Billie's debut enjoyed a similar revival with any one song, it would only increase the gap further. However, only one of these albums is having a revival and that's Lover. Exactly, only one album had a revival and it's Lover, further proving that it's the bigger album Like... How are you not grasping that Lover getting a second wind years later is a positive and an indication of the album's incredible longevity and success? "If it didn't get a massive bump then it might not be as big" is a futile argument. That's like saying "if Bad Guy didn't happen WFFA wouldn't be as big". Those things happened, you just need to accept it. No amount of would've, could've, should've from you will change this. People are massively interested in Lover and consuming it 3 times more than WWFA noawadays. 23 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said: Taylor is a pure sales darling and cultivated a large fanbase by then to purchase physical copies of her album. It was Billie's debut album and it was still selling impressively past the bar for artists at the time. Plus, Billie's album is a vinyl collecting staple not just amongst fans, but amongst collectors. You just being dismissive of Taylor's pure sales isn't helping your case either. "She has a large fanbase that buys her albums!" Well.. yes! Taylor has a lot of fans, which also explains why in the end Lover is bigger than WWFA. Having a big fanbase does not discredit one's success, quite the other way around. Not sure when ATRL will understand this. 23 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said: Cute but...This only contributes to my point abt Lover's revival simply benefitting Taylor in a streaming market that is 20x larger than it was in 2019 lol. Again, not sure what exactly you're trying to prove with this. Like is it my fault that Lover was able to garner a significant boost of interest in the last few years while WWFA didn't...? 23 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said: Lover outsold Billie's album in 2019 but Billie's album was continuing to sell well (and more than Lover) for the next two years. I don't see what's wrong with that. Lover moved more units than WWFA in 2019, and then WWFA moved (slightly) more units in 2020 and 2021. Then Lover moved more units in 2022, 2023 and 2024. All in all, Lover is the album that moved the most units out of the two, and that gap is increasing everyday. So... what now? Edited August 12 by The Music Industry
Aden Posted August 12 Posted August 12 1 hour ago, UnusualBoy said: The Roar vs Applause comparison doesn't make sense because nothing has changed, Roar is still the biggest song by miles. Gaga vs Katy in other hand... True but it's highkey embarrassing that a song as huge as Roar was back in the day is barely outstreaming Applause by 200k nowadays. Especially when Katy started a new era and Gaga has been MIA for years. 1 1
Støned Posted August 12 Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Blackout2006 said: Lover has been enjoying a revival in the best time for streaming thx to CS as of the past year, so there r naturally more listeners for it. Meanwhile, WAFFA set its standards back in 2019 such as being the first female (or general) album to have each track crossover 500 million streams. What is abt WAFFA having the top hit of 2019 and an album making the top-selling albums till 2021? I mean, I get it if you guys are talking abt streaming only but if you're trying to talk abt eras... As an era, Lover isn't behind WWAFA, in fact it has 4 top 10 hits, in which three peaked in the top 2, one of which peaked at #1. WWAFA only had Bad Guy and everything i wanted as its hit singles
RoseBud Posted August 12 Posted August 12 37 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said: It had a revival a year ago? Before that, it had around 5 billion streams which was 5 billion streams behind Billie's lol. So had it not been for this resurgence in streams, it would have just been gaining streams at its normal pace and behind Billie's. If Billie's debut enjoyed a similar revival with any one song, it would only increase the gap further. However, only one of these albums is having a revival and that's Lover. Taylor is a pure sales darling and cultivated a large fanbase by then to purchase physical copies of her album. It was Billie's debut album and it was still selling impressively past the bar for artists at the time. Plus, Billie's album is a vinyl collecting staple not just amongst fans, but amongst collectors. Cute but...This only contributes to my point abt Lover's revival simply benefitting Taylor in a streaming market that is 20x larger than it was in 2019 lol. Lover outsold Billie's album in 2019 but Billie's album was continuing to sell well (and more than Lover) for the next two years. Cruel Summer sweetie, the backbone that you are
Rihinvention Posted August 12 Posted August 12 Iggy Azalea vs. Azealia Banks. Iggy might have gotten a #1 in 2014, but her "rapping" skills were quickly exposed. She got mocked relentlessly and became irrelevant within a few months. Meanwhile, Azealia is killing it on her Instagram stories, where she often gets high and falls behind on soap orders. 1
gustavothehuman Posted August 12 Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Blackout2006 said: it's not showing for each song tho... Try Kworb 1
VioletsandRoses Posted August 12 Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Støned said: As an era, Lover isn't behind WWAFA, in fact it has 4 top 10 hits, in which three peaked in the top 2, one of which peaked at #1. WWAFA only had Bad Guy and everything i wanted as its hit singles When the party's over has 1.7b streams. Bury A Friend has over 1b streams. Even album track I Love You is near a billion streams. She was a new comer so her peaks were weak but still managed great success overall. WTPO is one of the longest charting songs on US Spotify for example. 1
Feanor Posted August 12 Posted August 12 4 hours ago, The Music Industry said: Exactly, only one album had a revival and it's Lover, further proving that it's the bigger album Like... How are you not grasping that Lover getting a second wind years later is a positive and an indication of the album's incredible longevity and success? "If it didn't get a massive bump then it might not be as big" is a futile argument. That's like saying "if Bad Guy didn't happen WFFA wouldn't be as big". Those things happened, you just need to accept it. No amount of would've, could've, should've from you will change this. People are massively interested in Lover and consuming it 3 times more than WWFA noawadays. You just being dismissive of Taylor's pure sales isn't helping your case either. "She has a large fanbase that buys her albums!" Well.. yes! Taylor has a lot of fans, which also explains why in the end Lover is bigger than WWFA. Having a big fanbase does not discredit one's success, quite the other way around. Not sure when ATRL will understand this. Again, not sure what exactly you're trying to prove with this. Like is it my fault that Lover was able to garner a significant boost of interest in the last few years while WWFA didn't...? I don't see what's wrong with that. Lover moved more units than WWFA in 2019, and then WWFA moved (slightly) more units in 2020 and 2021. Then Lover moved more units in 2022, 2023 and 2024. All in all, Lover is the album that moved the most units out of the two, and that gap is increasing everyday. So... what now?
ugo Posted August 12 Author Posted August 12 4 hours ago, The Music Industry said: Exactly, only one album had a revival and it's Lover, further proving that it's the bigger album Like... How are you not grasping that Lover getting a second wind years later is a positive and an indication of the album's incredible longevity and success? "If it didn't get a massive bump then it might not be as big" is a futile argument. That's like saying "if Bad Guy didn't happen WFFA wouldn't be as big". Those things happened, you just need to accept it. No amount of would've, could've, should've from you will change this. People are massively interested in Lover and consuming it 3 times more than WWFA noawadays. You just being dismissive of Taylor's pure sales isn't helping your case either. "She has a large fanbase that buys her albums!" Well.. yes! Taylor has a lot of fans, which also explains why in the end Lover is bigger than WWFA. Having a big fanbase does not discredit one's success, quite the other way around. Not sure when ATRL will understand this. Again, not sure what exactly you're trying to prove with this. Like is it my fault that Lover was able to garner a significant boost of interest in the last few years while WWFA didn't...? I don't see what's wrong with that. Lover moved more units than WWFA in 2019, and then WWFA moved (slightly) more units in 2020 and 2021. Then Lover moved more units in 2022, 2023 and 2024. All in all, Lover is the album that moved the most units out of the two, and that gap is increasing everyday. So... what now? What's their point ?
Blackout2006 Posted August 13 Posted August 13 13 hours ago, The Music Industry said: Exactly, only one album had a revival and it's Lover, further proving that it's the bigger album Like... How are you not grasping that Lover getting a second wind years later is a positive and an indication of the album's incredible longevity and success? "If it didn't get a massive bump then it might not be as big" is a futile argument. That's like saying "if Bad Guy didn't happen WFFA wouldn't be as big". Those things happened, you just need to accept it. No amount of would've, could've, should've from you will change this. People are massively interested in Lover and consuming it 3 times more than WWFA noawadays. I'm not contesting Lover's longevity or anything, I've known about it as long as I've known it is her most streamed album of all time. Heck, I've even accepted Lover is going to overtake the streams of Billie's debut if its trajectory continues at this pace. I'm just asking what's tough in grasping that an album enjoying a second wind is going to naturally double in streams (in a much larger streaming market) and start overtaking previous albums that haven't had the privilege of such a revival. Cruel Summer has been hailed as the "What could've been?" song of Lover since it came out. Billie essentially made the songs with the most hit potential as singles immediately, while Taylor was promoting the worst songs of Lover lol. Did Taylor's game work out in the long run? Yes because in this age, the line between singles and album songs has been blurred thanks to the expanded market of streaming. She saw that Cruel Summer was picking up in streams and capitalized on it. Take, for example, ILY by Billie was rapidly picking in streams last year. If Billie suddenly decided to make it a single and send it out to radio stations, you don't think the album would have a second wave in streams that would only increase the gap between Lover and WWAFA, WDWG? If this entire discussion is about streams, then Lover did win the war but it only becomes more nuanced when it comes to the eras as a whole. 13 hours ago, The Music Industry said: You just being dismissive of Taylor's pure sales isn't helping your case either. "She has a large fanbase that buys her albums!" Well.. yes! Taylor has a lot of fans, which also explains why in the end Lover is bigger than WWFA. Having a big fanbase does not discredit one's success, quite the other way around. Not sure when ATRL will understand this. 1. I'm not being dismissive, Taylor's pure sales are rlly impressive 2. Taylor had a much large and established fanbase who bought her albums in hard copy, Billie's was only getting started 14 hours ago, The Music Industry said: Again, not sure what exactly you're trying to prove with this. Like is it my fault that Lover was able to garner a significant boost of interest in the last few years while WWFA didn't...? It has many times but Billie didn't capitalize on it for example, ILY 14 hours ago, The Music Industry said: I don't see what's wrong with that. Lover moved more units than WWFA in 2019, and then WWFA moved (slightly) more units in 2020 and 2021. Then Lover moved more units in 2022, 2023 and 2024. All in all, Lover is the album that moved the most units out of the two, and that gap is increasing everyday. So... what now? receipts pls
Blackout2006 Posted August 13 Posted August 13 14 hours ago, Støned said: As an era, Lover isn't behind WWAFA, in fact it has 4 top 10 hits, in which three peaked in the top 2, one of which peaked at #1. WWAFA only had Bad Guy and everything i wanted as its hit singles That's the wrong way to weigh the success of Billie's era lol. She has never been about chart peaks. 'Lovely' peaked in the Top 60 and is literally one of the biggest hits of the past seven years (on the path to surpass 3 billion streams). All of the songs on Billie's debut surpassed 500 billion streams which was a record for its time when the streaming market was smaller
The Music Industry Posted August 13 Posted August 13 8 hours ago, Blackout2006 said: receipts pls BB200 Year-End 2022 Lover - #49 WWFA - # 58 BB200 Year-End 2023 Lover - #9 WWFA - #92 BB200 Year-End 2024 (So far) Lover - #8 WWFA - OUT of the top 100 Total Global Units (as of August 13, 2024) Lover - 18.9M units (and gaining 15K daily) WWFAWDWG - 17.6M units (and gaining 4K daily) 1
blueberries Posted August 13 Posted August 13 p!nk vs britney/xtina after try this flopped hard and she was deemed as a fad and over, now she is playing on sold out stadiums while the other two are at rock bottom for decades
Popboi. Posted August 13 Posted August 13 26 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: BB200 Year-End 2022 Lover - #49 WWFA - # 58 BB200 Year-End 2023 Lover - #9 WWFA - #92 BB200 Year-End 2024 (So far) Lover - #8 WWFA - OUT of the top 100 Total Global Units (as of August 13, 2024) Lover - 18.9M units (and gaining 15K daily) WWFAWDWG - 17.6M units (and gaining 4K daily) Also Lover was bigger on IFPI in 2019.
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