news Hamas says "enough", asks US to push Israel to accept July ceasefire proposal by UN

[Communion]

 

[bjorn]

[Space Cowboy]

A terrorist organization making demands? I have to laugh.

There should be a ceasefire, but Hamas must also be destroyed.

 

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[shimind]

Terrorists wanting their demands met? The **** NOT. They must be destroyed at all costs.

[Bosque]

So why don't they attend the negotiations on August 15? Retroactively accepting an agreement makes little sense 

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/11/gaza-hostage-ceasefire-deal-hamas-talks

[State of Grace.]

+10 ceasefire deals have been rejected by Israel since October. Israel does NOT want this to end, especially after assassinating the one leader that has been negotiating with them.

[TaggedGalaxy]

Netanayhu had the last negotiator killed, he is corrupt and will not agree to a ceasefire anyway

[heckinglovato]

6 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

A terrorist organization making demands? I have to laugh.

There should be a ceasefire, but Hamas must also be destroyed.

 

5 minutes ago, shimind said:

Terrorists wanting their demands met? The **** NOT. They must be destroyed at all costs.

If Hamas is a terrorist organization for killing 1k individuals (600 of whom are civilians) then Israel is at least 66 times more of a terrorist organization for killing 40k+ civilians, with more than double that number missing and 2M+ displaced. And that's only since Oct 7, not counting anything between 1948 and now (for the majority of that time, Hamas did not exist btw).

 

Just providing context on all in which we live and what came before us 

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, Bosque said:

So why don't they attend the negotiations on August 15?

Probably because Israel just assassinated the last person making the negotiations in person?

 

13 minutes ago, Bosque said:

Retroactively accepting

Sorry, sis, but your German lies do not work. 

 

Hamas accepted the UN proposal - the UN even rewrote and included specific language the US wanted on behalf of Israel to then pass it.

 

The US has accepted the proposal.

Hamas has accepted the proposal.

Israel has rejected the proposal since its passing.

 

Israel Is clearly the only party not wanting this violence to end. 

 

Biden even bragged that he had already guaranteed Israel's acceptance of the proposal if Hamas agreed to it back at the end of May:

 

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[Virgos Groove]

13 minutes ago, shimind said:

Terrorists wanting their demands met? The **** NOT. They must be destroyed at all costs.

This is genocidal language. There is no way Israel can destroy Hamas without inflicting heavy civilian casualties and you know it.

 

The only way to reduce violence and start the peace process is with a ceasefire, just like in Northern Ireland in 1994. But Israel has made it clear they don't want one.

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[TiaTamera]

21 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

A terrorist organization making demands? I have to laugh.

There should be a ceasefire, but Hamas must also be destroyed.

 

 

20 minutes ago, shimind said:

Terrorists wanting their demands met? The **** NOT. They must be destroyed at all costs.

I agree that terrorists should be destroyed at all costs. Bye bye Israel 

[Shelter]

Israel isn't going to stop. They are enjoying it 

[brraap]

When Israel inevitably goes down, the US must also pay for its crimes in facilitating the terror state 

[P.O.P]

But I thought Palestine =\= Hamas??? LOL

[Virgos Groove]

18 minutes ago, Zachbbs said:

Genocide is when terrorist groups attack innocent concert goers and demand there to be no response. I feel awful for the civilian shields Hamas uses, I do. But to say that wanting blood thirsty terrorists gone is "genocidal" Is absurd, they will not stop unless they are gone. 

This is so devoid of context that it's almost hilarious.

 

The Palestinian conflict did not begin on October 7th. Israel has been oppressing Palestinians for 75+ years, long before Hamas existed. The only people with a "right of response" are the Palestinians, who were expelled from their homes and now either live in refugee camps or under an apartheid system. To paraphrase a recent blockbuster, Israel doesn't get to establish an ethnostate and then ask all of us to feel sorry for them when there are consequences.

 

If Israel doesn't want their civilians to be victims of violence, they should get on the negotiating table and accept a ceasefire.

 

 

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[Relampago.]

I really can't grasp the concept of wanting Hamas gone but not wanting the same for Israel who has done much worse.

 

I suppose Russia should be allowed to murder Ukrainians en masse as well, seeing as though they have had connections to neo-nazi groups and would likely be seen as a rogue nation state if they were brown— oh wait! That's right, they're white Europeans so we have to treat them differently. Totally forgot. 

[bjorn]

Just a reminder 

 

 

1,139 Israelis killed and it's a terrorist attack.
 

Almost 40,000 Palestinians killed. And it's self defense and justified. 

[IBeMe]

You can tell Hamas isn't a sophisticated group and still operate in "good will" when speaking about all of this. They need to drill it in their heads that Israel does not actually want a ceasefire and wants to kill all Palestinians or render them as mutulated as possible. 
speaking like this only makes them appear as though they are starting to get desperate and are losing which will then only encourage Israel to continue the onslaught even harder because they have deluded themselves into thinking there is such a thing as a victory in all of this (aka ethnically cleaninshing Gaza).

 

I sometimes wonder if this is just a Hamas issue or an entire Arab issue. They genuinely seem to not fully understand that Israel wants them totally wiped out and is not operating in good faith at all. Iran understands this. It's Arab neighbours don't. 
 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

Meanwhile Israel is pushing closer and closer to a regional war.

[Bosque]

49 minutes ago, IBeMe said:

You can tell Hamas isn't a sophisticated group and still operate in "good will"
 

Now sis… 

[IBeMe]

1 minute ago, Bosque said:

Now sis… 

you know what I mean. Like not good will / good faith i guess but like honest negotiation. I dont have the vocab for it lol

[stevyy]

2 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

A terrorist organization making demands? I have to laugh.

There should be a ceasefire, but Hamas must also be destroyed.

 

It's vile that anyone even acknowledges Hamas. 

[Dialamba]

Zionists have no valid arguments expect b-but hamas!!! 

[ClashAndBurn]

Israel and America are operating in bad faith anyway. There is nothing Biden-Harris or Netanyahu could offer that would have any credibility.  

[A.R.L]

RIP poor kids and innocence souls, they are the real victims of this whole mess.