charts discussion Katy & Dr. Luke's LIFETIMES serves OUT-OUT everywhere

[Enrique523]

2 hours ago, cyberraga said:

 

Idk anything about the NRO/writing credit stuff but the P Diddy collab was definitely real and it was on vinyls of the album 

Fair enough.

[BrokenMachine]

13 hours ago, vince_martin88 said:

Go back to making blackface shoes

[halcyonday]

10 hours ago, ThePopStop said:

This is all correct. When NRO flopped with the GP, Small Talk was rush released to try and save face. When that flopped, HIH was released to save face. It didn't flop as bad, so it allowed them to save face and change the planned album to what would become Smile.
 

 

Wait until you find out that Smile was supposed to be the lead single of Smile and it featured... wait for it... Diddy 

 

The demo leaked and I'm pretty sure that's why they chose Daisies to be lead single. We all were confused as to why Diddy was missing from the album version which was almost the same as the demo that leaked. Especially since his feature added a nice touch much like Snoop did to California Gurls. Well, now we all know why they took him off...

(further proof that industry people knew Diddy's behavior for years and said nothing)
 

Want to hear about more train wrecks from this era?

 

NRO was almost a clone of a Dagny song (Swedish pop star) and went viral with people accusing Katy of plagiarism. Katy called Dagny to apologize and claim she never heard her song and that she would give Dagny songwriter credit as an apology and to avoid a lawsuit.

 

Rumor has it that Zedd was responsible for the plagiarism, as he was known at the time for copying other artist's beats and style and changing it just barely enough to be different.

the way all of this is incorrect  

[Enrique523]

4 hours ago, _Fey said:

This is what really gets me. If she was going to go back to Dr Luke, she should have known that the material better be some of the best she's ever made. The "how could she go back to Dr Luke!!" posts would always be there, but they'd be drowned out by people bopping.

 

The fact that the two songs we've gotten are not only NOT among her best material, but are actually the WORST material she's ever put out....yeah it's time to remain on Planet Unbothered. It's over.

Exactly. The whole thing just doesn't make sense, it's giving Trump-level of delusion 

 

 

[Nefertiti0]

Day 4: 825,650(+27,375)

[Bubble Tea]

....anyway I've been streaming this sexy little bop

 

[bluesooul]

This song was always meant to tank, even if it was the lead single.

[ThePopStop]

18 hours ago, Mattically said:

You are making things up to a level where it's crazy, lmao. They got Dagny permission way before the song release. Katy didn't have to call anybody and apologize for anything, and definitely didn't say she never heard the song. Literally WHAT are you talking about. 

"It was the start of this year that suddenly there was a call from Katy's team," Dagny tells Radio 1 Newsbeat. "They said 'Hey, we've made a version of Love You Like That and we want to give credit where credit's due'. "I think it's very good of Katy's team that they did it the right way," Dagny tells Newsbeat. "I was just kind of happy for the song that it could be part of something bigger."

You conveniently left out this part of the article:

 

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She says she's glad that Katy's team were upfront about using her work.

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"I think it's very good of Katy's team that they did it the right way," Dagny tells Newsbeat.

 

"I think it's a really positive thing because I don't think that any songwriter can deny the fact that when you go into sessions you're inspired by different things that you're listening to."

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"It would be really sad, I think, to see this song blow up, realise how similar it is and not to be part of it.

 

That's not asking for permission. Once again, Katy made the song, and then it was brought to her attention that it was almost identical to Dagny's. It wasn't a "hey -- we like your song can we sample it?" it was a "Hey, we made a song and realized how similar it is. How about some writing credit so people can't say we stole it?" The song was not made with the intention of sampling -- THATS MY POINT. What a mess.

 

Ok, so permission was obtained before release. But this article came out on 6/5/2019 -- 6 days after the single was released. Nobody knew that Katy had permission during that time and so the GP accused her of plagiarism. Katy had to go on social media and clarify exactly what I said.

 

 

18 hours ago, Truth Teller said:

I can't find an accurate sentence in all of this, I-

So instead of correcting it you do... nothing? So much for your username being Truth Teller ... 

9 hours ago, halcyonday said:

the way all of this is incorrect  

See above. 

 

10 hours ago, Truth Teller said:

The Diddy collab is true but it being the original lead single and only being replaced by Daisies because of the leak is false and to claim that Diddy was removed because Katy's team knew he was an abuser is completely made up. Look at the credits of his last album. He had A-listers all over that. My personal hypothesis is that Diddy himself pulled out because the song was about to come out a few weeks after the George Floyd shooting and the optics were BAD. Or it was a money thing or label politics of course. The Chance the Rapper feature on Witness also fell through, it's not because Capitol had dirt on him

You don't have any more fact to prove why Daisies was chosen as lead single to replace Smile than I do. Smile has all the workings of a lead single -- it shared the album's name, had a major feature on it, and was an upbeat bop. All like California Gurls. There is nothing about Daisies that implies it should have been the proper lead single. And I never said that Capitol or Katy knew what Diddy did -- but you can bet that they probably heard whispers of him doing sketchy things. Have you not followed any of the Diddy news? Diddy's partying and bad behavior was an open secret just like Harvey Weinstein's. 

 

Sit down, children.

 

 

[Kool_Aid_King]

1 hour ago, ThePopStop said:

You conveniently left out this part of the article:

 

 

That's not asking for permission. Once again, Katy made the song, and then it was brought to her attention that it was almost identical to Dagny's. It wasn't a "hey -- we like your song can we sample it?" it was a "Hey, we made a song and realized how similar it is. How about some writing credit so people can't say we stole it?" The song was not made with the intention of sampling -- THATS MY POINT. What a mess.

 

Ok, so permission was obtained before release. But this article came out on 6/5/2019 -- 6 days after the single was released. Nobody knew that Katy had permission during that time and so the GP accused her of plagiarism. Katy had to go on social media and clarify exactly what I said.

 

 

So instead of correcting it you do... nothing? So much for your username being Truth Teller ... 

See above. 

 

You don't have any more fact to prove why Daisies was chosen as lead single to replace Smile than I do. Smile has all the workings of a lead single -- it shared the album's name, had a major feature on it, and was an upbeat bop. All like California Gurls. There is nothing about Daisies that implies it should have been the proper lead single. And I never said that Capitol or Katy knew what Diddy did -- but you can bet that they probably heard whispers of him doing sketchy things. Have you not followed any of the Diddy news? Diddy's partying and bad behavior was an open secret just like Harvey Weinstein's. 

 

Sit down, children.

 

 

Daisies was the lead single because it was a very personal song as it's her daughter's name and the entire album was a memoir of being real or whatever. 

 

Smile was sent to DSPs but it had negative feedback from what I heard & the leak was not well received. They did not take Diddy off to distance themselves from him and his doings. Of course there were whispers, everyone knows Diddy is a POS but clearly that does not bother Katheryn Hudson seeing as though she is currently working with Dr. Luke who is not only an alleged rapist but a notoriously bad person with horrible morals and treatment of people (see Kelly Clarkson, P!nk & more). Diddy was probably taken off because he was taking a break from music at that time and not ready to come back with that song or maybe they preferred the solo version. If they wanted to distance himself from a lawsuit, they wouldn't have put him on the vinyl version of the album. I understand vinyl is created months prior, but the song was released (solo) in July, and the album was released end of August, so it must have been a last minute decision based on negative reception to his verse from DSPs or something else.

 

Whispers about Diddy's doings have been known since the 90s and especially known in the 2000s and 2010s... yet she still collabed with him & he was taken off super last minute. You're being really delusional.

 

[Topaz]

I still think the song is cute. Idk if it will have replay value in the future. I think stronger adlibs would have made it better. I hope she has a successful third single.

[Nefertiti0]

day 5: 792,057(-33,593)

[SmittenCake]

2 hours ago, Nefertiti0 said:

day 5: 792,057(-33,593)

[Yes, AND]

22 hours ago, ThePopStop said:

You conveniently left out this part of the article:

 

 

That's not asking for permission. Once again, Katy made the song, and then it was brought to her attention that it was almost identical to Dagny's. It wasn't a "hey -- we like your song can we sample it?" it was a "Hey, we made a song and realized how similar it is. How about some writing credit so people can't say we stole it?" The song was not made with the intention of sampling -- THATS MY POINT. What a mess.

 

Ok, so permission was obtained before release. But this article came out on 6/5/2019 -- 6 days after the single was released. Nobody knew that Katy had permission during that time and so the GP accused her of plagiarism. Katy had to go on social media and clarify exactly what I said.

 

 

 

 

 

Nobody knew ? The credits were right there. From the start. 

[JustHoran]

At this point the album is going to debut at #143

[Sannie]

On 8/12/2024 at 2:14 PM, Axolotl said:

I can't believe the revisionist history here with Smile. That album BOMBED even harder than Witness, still only certified Gold () after more than four years, had a tacked on streaming hit (NRO) just to make the album stats look better, and left the BB200 in a month -- A MONTH. 

In Miss Perry's defense, the way 143 is going to perform, Smile will look like an Adele-sized smash in comparison.  

[Nefertiti0]

Day 6: 754,781(-37,276)

[Enrique523]

On 8/14/2024 at 10:56 PM, Nefertiti0 said:

day 5: 792,057(-33,593)

[BrokenMachine]

9 hours ago, Nefertiti0 said:

Day 6: 754,781(-37,276)

It's getting stable. Just in time for Saturday's update drop 

[gab00]

You know i think the hate against her is just too much, people should calm down Katy is a person too.

 

What's the point of making 6 threads a day bashing her? like I get it: She's flopping, can we move on?

[toy soldier.]

On 8/14/2024 at 3:26 AM, ThePopStop said:

You conveniently left out this part of the article:

 

 

That's not asking for permission. Once again, Katy made the song, and then it was brought to her attention that it was almost identical to Dagny's. It wasn't a "hey -- we like your song can we sample it?" it was a "Hey, we made a song and realized how similar it is. How about some writing credit so people can't say we stole it?" The song was not made with the intention of sampling -- THATS MY POINT. What a mess.

 

Ok, so permission was obtained before release. But this article came out on 6/5/2019 -- 6 days after the single was released. Nobody knew that Katy had permission during that time and so the GP accused her of plagiarism. Katy had to go on social media and clarify exactly what I said.

 

 

So instead of correcting it you do... nothing? So much for your username being Truth Teller ... 

See above. 

 

You don't have any more fact to prove why Daisies was chosen as lead single to replace Smile than I do. Smile has all the workings of a lead single -- it shared the album's name, had a major feature on it, and was an upbeat bop. All like California Gurls. There is nothing about Daisies that implies it should have been the proper lead single. And I never said that Capitol or Katy knew what Diddy did -- but you can bet that they probably heard whispers of him doing sketchy things. Have you not followed any of the Diddy news? Diddy's partying and bad behavior was an open secret just like Harvey Weinstein's. 

 

Sit down, children.

 

 

I forgot what Smile sounded like so I just played it and had war flashbacks ugh

What a bad song, I get why my brain completely removed it from its existence 

[Funnyfatty]

Not her going to JAIL  

 

The way she won't know how good (for her standards) the album will perform by debuting at #144 because she won't be here. 
 

I will be streaming Clown with a Smile to celebrate for her 

Spoiler

 

[SmittenCake]

21 hours ago, Nefertiti0 said:

Day 6: 754,781(-37,276)

Oh wow 

[PlERRE]

On 8/13/2024 at 12:02 AM, vince_martin88 said:

 

Fadty your music career is so over. Go back to making blackface shoes

[Nefertiti0]

Day 7: 633,398(-121,383)

[TomTom]

18 minutes ago, Nefertiti0 said:

Day 7: 633,398(-121,383)

Kesha - Joyride

 

Day 43: 638.901 (-25.749)

 

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