Jay07 Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Just now, WildHeart said: What type of logic is that? So black people can't be racist against Asian people in the US which is even smaller minority? Asian people cant be racist against Latinos because both are minorities? Some of you are so weird my god That's being bigoted/prejudiced which is what the other poster said. Again, racism is wielding structural power. Maybe less tracking streams and more reading https://www.thoughtco.com/racism-vs-prejudice-3026086 2 1 1
MattieB Posted August 5 Posted August 5 10 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Racism is structural and minorities don't have structural power. Educate yourselves, please. Its funny they don't know this but quick to copy AAVE into their vocabulary while imitating black women/queer black people 1
MattieB Posted August 5 Posted August 5 3 minutes ago, Jay07 said: That's being bigoted/prejudiced which is what the other poster said. Again, racism is wielding structural power. Maybe less tracking streams and more reading https://www.thoughtco.com/racism-vs-prejudice-3026086 Let me get you up to speed, they're not ignorant, they're very well aware of the fact that they're bigots 1
WildHeart Posted August 5 Posted August 5 2 minutes ago, Jay07 said: That's being bigoted/prejudiced which is what the other poster said If a part of minority abuse someone for their race, it is them being a bigot. If a white person does it, it is racism. What type of logic is that Both are results of racism, stop trying to act like one is less problematic and harmful than other. 7 minutes ago, MattieB said: You cawkujuns are so ignorant and tone-deaf Why did you got offended? Do you share the same braincell with that person who calls all Asians white worshippers and says minorities can't be racist? 1
Badgalbriel Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Because people will always say that things in the past were much bigger because of the nostalgia effect. Artists need to flop before they start being recognized.
Pepo Posted August 5 Posted August 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, WildHeart said: You are not very bright either which explains your previous post. I'd like to know if mods are going to take care of such a post or they'll just shrug it off since the poster is a fellow swiftie. Or it seems that rules are applied to Beyoncé stans only. Edited August 5 by Pepo 5
lonnie Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said: Because people will always say that things in the past were much bigger because of the nostalgia effect. Artists need to flop before they start being recognized. I mean MJ is factually bigger stats wise. It's certainly not nostalgia as most of us weren't even alive during his peak?
Breathe On Moi Posted August 5 Posted August 5 8 hours ago, Tylerbv said: Honestly? Because her talent is so low compared to his. People fainted to see him and she can barely sing period ok
WildHeart Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 minute ago, Pepo said: I'd like to know if mods are going to take care of such a post or they'll just shrug it off since the poster is a fellow swiftie. Or it seems that rules are applied to Beyoncé stans only. Asking mods to take care of the post calling a person not bright for implying that millions of Asians and Latinos are white worshippers and then complaining about mods not taking care of it. Maybe try to use your brain instead of complaining so you will finally understand why...
lonnie Posted August 5 Posted August 5 It's so strange. I mean Taylor is HUGE, no doubt about that. But where did the idea that she's on the same level of success as MJ come from? Even going by numbers without his legacy and impact included MJ is the bigger commercial artist by FAR so how is it that swifties genuinely believe she's as big as he was or bigger? Is all of this just because of those people outside her Munich show?
skizzo Posted August 5 Posted August 5 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Jay07 said: That's being bigoted/prejudiced which is what the other poster said. Again, racism is wielding structural power. Maybe less tracking streams and more reading https://www.thoughtco.com/racism-vs-prejudice-3026086 That's just the left's definition of racism, redefined. Its also a way to exclude minorities from problematic behavior. Any race can be racist. "the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another." Edited August 5 by skizzo 1 1
Paddy Posted August 5 Posted August 5 The truth is people like Michael Jackson and/or Madonna did something nobody did before. They broke the ground, created a blueprint that became the norm. Taylor is doing absolutely incredible and pulling crowds and interest that nobody else is nowadays, but she's not doing anything groundbreaking with her shows, except making it 3+ hours which is incredible. But I do think people should cut Taylor some slack, too, because if itnwas easy (and she makes it look easy) then everyone would be doing it.
Doctor Dick Posted August 5 Posted August 5 MJ had STANS in every demographic: He had/has the white heterosexual fans, the white female heterosexual fans, he had the black heterosexual fans, the black female heterosexual fans, the LGBTQ+ community, the teens and kids, the adults and the pop, rock, r&b, hip hop, metal, jazz and adult contemporary fans as well as the top 40 fans. Taylor has STANS in white female heterosexuals and the LGBTQ+ community as well as kids and teens. Of course she has stans in other demos but no to the extend MJ had and she doesn't have the same 'cool' factor that MJ had in literally every demo. Taylor is a bit of a guilty pleasure for white straight guys but there aren't enough of them to even claim she has a chokehold on them the way MJ did. It's not about acclaim and impact because even if Taylor had the same impact (which she doesn't) she does not have the same reach and fame.
Doctor Dick Posted August 5 Posted August 5 (edited) 32 minutes ago, lonnie said: It's so strange. I mean Taylor is HUGE, no doubt about that. But where did the idea that she's on the same level of success as MJ come from? Even going by numbers without his legacy and impact included MJ is the bigger commercial artist by FAR so how is it that swifties genuinely believe she's as big as he was or bigger? Is all of this just because of those people outside her Munich show? Because they think units sold from 11 albums in one calender year which is largely composed of the same fans listening to her music again and again is the same as MJ selling 50 million albums in a calender year from one release without the measure of how many times his fans also played his music at home. And that's from only the US and half of Europe since a large part of the world didn't have legal copies of MJ's albums and swam in piracy while Taylor's sales come from legal copies across the entire globe even Africa which didn't have legal copies in MJ's units until 2020. Edited August 5 by Doctor Dick 2
Doctor Dick Posted August 5 Posted August 5 (edited) 9 hours ago, Trent W said: I think people have a hard time accepting that history is happening in front of their own eyes There is also a monoculture vs current culture thing that back then MJ had the entire world following him Nowadays Taylor has 1000x more competition so it feels like she isn't dominating as much as him in the 80s But the reality is that Taylor is smashing in a much harder market where everything is over saturated and everyone has already done everything It's a hard pill to swallow, but Taylor's current success might be more impressive than the ones from artists in the 80s The truth is MJ's gigantic sales came from North America and half of Europe and Australia but his sales from LATAM, Asia, Africa and half of Europe were unaccounted for because of different political issues like communism where countries didn't even have legal sales of music. Taylor has every market and every country counted towards her sales as well as IFPI being there to count legal sales. It's also the truth that MJ was a giant in all the demos Taylor is a giant in (women, kids, teens, LGBTQ+) but he also was a giant and had stans in heterosexual black and white men which is a group Taylor doesn't have a chokehold on. MJ simply had more fans. Edited August 5 by Doctor Dick 1
xrayed Posted August 5 Posted August 5 We are currently experiencing an oversaturation of music releases, primarily due to the rise of Spotify and other streaming services. Nowadays, you don't need a record label to make music and as a result, music, especially pop music, has become highly fragmented. There won't be another Madonna or MJ because pop music is no longer consumed by the masses. Instead, as in the case of Taylor Swift, it reaches a specific fanbase. Even though her latest album has been number one on the charts for 13 weeks, I don't recognize any songs from it. This shows that you can achieve commercial success without having a significant cultural impact. Pop music is no longer universal and consumed by GP, period.
Doctor Dick Posted August 5 Posted August 5 9 hours ago, Trent W said: Back in the 80s there were very few artists that had the opportunity to get exposure Once you had a record deal 80% of the job was done Now its really really hard to stand out, even with a record deal most artists are a flop Please try to understand that in Taylor's case her sales come from every corner of the world while MJ's official sales even those counted by chartmasters lack the legal sales from his peak in the 80s up until the 90s from the majority of the globe. How can you even compare those two. MJ's sales would get even bigger than they are now with those sales and they are already above Taylor's with half the eras.
Doctor Dick Posted August 5 Posted August 5 3 minutes ago, xrayed said: We are currently experiencing an oversaturation of music releases, primarily due to the rise of Spotify and other streaming services. Nowadays, you don't need a record label to make music and as a result, music, especially pop music, has become highly fragmented. There won't be another Madonna or MJ because pop music is no longer consumed by the masses. Instead, as in the case of Taylor Swift, it reaches a specific fanbase. Even though her latest album has been number one on the charts for 13 weeks, I don't recognize any songs from it. This shows that you can achieve commercial success without having a significant cultural impact. Pop music is no longer universal and consumed by GP, period. Everyone knows "Flowers" though and that's the kind of hits MJ had during his peak along with having 21-like sales for multiple releases. His peak can't be touched. 1
xrayed Posted August 5 Posted August 5 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said: Everyone knows "Flowers" though and that's the kind of hits MJ had during his peak along with having 21-like sales for multiple releases. His peak can't be touched. You think everyone knows hits like "Flowers" and "Espresso", but no. We live in bubbles. Ask your grandma/grandpa if she/he knows those songs. This is how universally known Madonna or MJ were in their peaks - every generations knew them back then. There is no hits like this that there are reaching universally to every household. There are massive hits, but not as massive as back then. Edited August 5 by xrayed 1
lonnie Posted August 5 Posted August 5 18 minutes ago, Doctor Dick said: Because they think units sold from 11 albums in one calender year which is largely composed of the same fans listening to her music again and again is the same as MJ selling 50 million albums in a calender year from one release without the measure of how many times his fans also played his music at home. And that's from only the US and half of Europe since a large part of the world didn't have legal copies of MJ's albums and swam in piracy while Taylor's sales come from legal copies across the entire globe even Africa which didn't have legal copies in MJ's units until 2020. I agree that it's ludicrous to compare streams to actual album sales but the thing is even with the units from her streams, Taylor's numbers aren't anywhere near MJ's. A case can be made for the different sales climates, but however it's spun Taylor's numbers (even with her having released more albums than MJ did at this point) aren't as huge as MJ's. So how come the swifties are so bold with the comparison? 1
supertiffany Posted August 5 Posted August 5 5 hours ago, WildHeart said: Neither The Beatles or Madonna had an album as big as Thriller Cruel Summer, the defining song of her peak about the become the most streamed female song EVER is cruel summer released this year on her latest album? or stupid enough not to have a comprehension?
supertiffany Posted August 5 Posted August 5 5 hours ago, burninredhot said: Dance Monkey is technically the biggest female single from the 2010s so i guess Tones and i will be the most remembered artist of that time in the future isnt it Rolling in the Deep?
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