AvadaKedavra Posted July 31 Posted July 31 This is very worrisome. What if those arab nations very angry with all of this drop an atomic weapon? this could lead to WW3
Hurem Posted July 31 Posted July 31 3 hours ago, Communion said: Do you think the defense of mass rape and regional war will convince those who believe otherwise of this? Whatever your point is, not a single serious candidate for American presidency is going to call out Netanyahu and Israel, so it doesn't make sense to try and make people bad for voting for Harris when her rhetoric, while still not good enough, is better than Biden's was.
Communion Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Hurem said: make people bad for voting Is this an accidental slip about why you're trying to push back? No one cares who you vote for. The issue is the reality of how her views will impact the electorate and their feelings towards her, and how lying about her record to claim it is better than it is or shaming people for not voting for her won't be and has never been an effective strategy. Again, no one cares who you vote for. Your claim that the American electorate will view her as objectively better than Trump on Gaza is getting push back for being neither factual nor definite and thus people who want to beat Trump must reconcile with how Kamala will earn those votes. These votes are not guaranteed and that's a problem Harris needs to solve. Edited July 31 by Communion 1
ClashAndBurn Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 hours ago, HeavyMetalAura said: Full disclosure I am EXTREMELY ignorant on foreign affairs and have never claimed to be knowledgeable about them (also my geography teacher was in high school was on drugs so it's a weak spot for me) so I'm sorry if this is a stupid question — I know why Israel is at war with Palestine, but why bomb the other countries? Do they support Palestine? Is this their first time bombing them, or is there a precedent for this? Netanyahu wants to inflame regional war to drag the US into broader conflict and make it more likely that Trump gets elected in November because he knows that both of those things will keep him in power and out of jail. Israel knows it can act with impunity because they have nuclear deterrents while the rest of the Middle Eastern countries do not, and they've worked extremely hard to make sure things stay that way by undermining diplomatic efforts between the US and Iran for over a decade.
Hurem Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Communion said: If this an accidental slip about why you're trying to push back? No one cares who you vote for. The issue is the reality of how her views will impact the electorate and their feelings towards her, and how lying about her record to claim it is better than it is or shaming people for not voting for her won't be and has never been an effective strategy. Again, no one cares who you vote for. Your claim that the American electorate will view her as objectively better than Trump on Gaza is getting push back for being neither factual nor definite and thus people who want to beat Trump most reconcile with how Kamala will earn those votes. These votes are not guaranteed and that's a problem Harris needs to solve. make people feel bad for voting for Harris*, my bad I'm not voting for any of the two since I'm not American, I'm just mostly putting my two cents in as an outsider. That being said, I don't see genocide in Gaza being the biggest factor in people choosing who to vote for. There are plenty other ideological issues that feel as bigger factors in this election, especially with Project 2025 being a real possibility. Also, why are you pushing back on Harris not being better than Trump on Gaza? Did he not use "Palestinian" as a slur in the last debate? Meanwhile, she expressed her concern with the number of civilian deaths. Like I previously said, her stance is far from perfect, but it's miles better than Trump's.
ForgottenSoul Posted July 31 Posted July 31 4 hours ago, Freakshowvato said: 2 beautiful Lebanese children martyred. My heart is devastated. I wonder what you said about the kids Hezbollah killed. 7
Freakshowvato Posted August 1 Posted August 1 8 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said: I wonder what you said about the kids Hezbollah killed. Multiple reports indicate it was the Iron Done itself misfiring at Hezbollah rockets that killed those kids. And BTW — if you wanna talk about who kills children, it's clearly Israel who has murdered tens of thousands of children, bombed infants and schools and hospitals… 1
ForgottenSoul Posted August 3 Posted August 3 On 8/1/2024 at 2:58 AM, Freakshowvato said: Multiple reports indicate it was the Iron Done itself misfiring at Hezbollah rockets that killed those kids. And BTW — if you wanna talk about who kills children, it's clearly Israel who has murdered tens of thousands of children, bombed infants and schools and hospitals… Multiple reports indicate it was the Iron Done itself misfiring at Hezbollah rockets that killed those kids Which reports and of course you people blame it on israel when nothing at the scene shows it was the iron dome. 1
Distantconstellation Posted August 3 Posted August 3 On 7/31/2024 at 8:46 AM, Hurem said: There isn't a realistic option that's gonna publicly condemn Israel, considering they are basically an extension of the States in the East. At least Harris' rhetoric, unlike Trump's or Biden's, isn't calling for the death of all Palestinians. The only one who would flat out do something about would be bernie. He's already said he would give a nickle to netanyahoo (how trump said it) and he supports a 2 state solution. Also the attacks on him wouldn't work because he's jewish himself. Kamala is already looking like she isn't gonna do or change anything or rhetoric no action.
stevyy Posted August 4 Posted August 4 On 7/31/2024 at 2:41 PM, HeavyMetalAura said: Full disclosure I am EXTREMELY ignorant on foreign affairs and have never claimed to be knowledgeable about them (also my geography teacher was in high school was on drugs so it's a weak spot for me) so I'm sorry if this is a stupid question — I know why Israel is at war with Palestine, but why bomb the other countries? Do they support Palestine? Is this their first time bombing them, or is there a precedent for this? The countries that Israel bombs harbor terrorist organization which want to complete what Hitler started. In the case of Iran, however, the entire nation / government has a doctrine / policy which states that all Jews need to be eradicated. The incentive for Israel to react in this fashion is the attack on it from October of last year which is condoned and it part funded and supported by the aforementioned countries. 3
Virgos Groove Posted August 4 Posted August 4 58 minutes ago, stevyy said: The countries that Israel bombs harbor terrorist organization which want to complete what Hitler started. In the case of Iran, however, the entire nation / government has a doctrine / policy which states that all Jews need to be eradicated. The incentive for Israel to react in this fashion is the attack on it from October of last year which is condoned and it part funded and supported by the aforementioned countries. I'm amazed by how you always manage to have the worst takes on politics. It's admirable, almost.
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