celeb news Bebe Rexha: "Albania, Kosova, Macedonia, Montenegro, Presheva, that's all my Albania"

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Mr.X said:

Hhmmm I don't know much about this to be honest. Is there any non-bias/non-USA-loving publications to look into that go into the context of why these groups of people still reclaim their heritage as different to what the distribution of the countries are like?
 

Also, I know that the Yugoslavia war was a US-plot to overthrown an already fragile communist state, and the various countries were basically drawn by European and USA-demands, but I want to know more.

 

Imperialism and capitalism means that in the EU, we only have a very bias, pro-EU and pro-capital/division focused press, so would be good to know from local sources/anti-empire sources.

 

Thank you

i wouldn't agree with you that it was a US-plot. ofc US had a big role in the conflict and ofc they wanted a socialist state to break (especially since it was the most successful one in Europe), but it is a really really complex issue. there's hundreds of years of history, wars and different empires, religions and cultures that left a mess there. there is the geopolitical context and the crisis that influenced the breakup, and many more factors. i suppose it would be really hard to connect all the dots, so i wouldn't know if there is any book that fully examines it. but i do advise you to read local scholars, if you can find unbiased ones. foreigners usually aren't able to get the complexity of things. i'm not an expert on the subject, so i can't recommend anything, but i hope you find something 

[Kool_Aid_King]

She's about to have her Levitating moment.

 

Or Houdini, either a way a win

 

[NoAngelus]

This is so wrong, some of you don't even seem to understand how offensive it is. Like imagine Israeli singer coming to Palestine and claiming it was Israeli's land.

 

Albanians with the help of Nato already illegally took the land from Serbia and ever since then they are pushing Hitler's idea of Great Albania frighting people near the borders even more. People already started leaving Macedonia, half of that country is already occupied by Albanians, history repeats itself. 

[NoAngelus]

2 hours ago, RideOrDie said:

rita ora is a money laundering scheme for albanian mafia 

You saying this as a joke while not being far from the truth.

 

Back in 2012 it seemed her main job was lying about growing up in Kosovo more than talking about her music. Once she was exposed as a liar BBC because she didn't memorize her lines properly she stopped being government's puppet. 

 

And then came Dua. 

 

Isn't her uncle connected to Albanian war criminals that are actually wanted by Hague? Or is he himself wanted? I don't remember well, seems that story is buried well these days. 

[NoAngelus]

2 hours ago, Luckitty said:

nobody wants serbia i fear

Well Albania obviously wanted the heart of Serbia when they collaborated with NATO on stealing its territory in order to give US that land for their soldiers and illegal military operations on the Balkans. 

[Bosque]

Oh people are gonna be angry about this

[Spice]

7 minutes ago, NoAngelus said:

This is so wrong, some of you don't even seem to understand how offensive it is. Like imagine Israeli singer coming to Palestine and claiming it was Israeli's land.

 

Albanians with the help of Nato already illegally took the land from Serbia and ever since then they are pushing Hitler's idea of Great Albania frighting people near the borders even more. People already started leaving Macedonia, half of that country is already occupied by Albanians, history repeats itself. 

Lol stfu, you're always spewing anti- Albanian nonsense on here like the time you posted random mugshots of Albanian men when someone posted about Serbian hooligans beating up english fans and going on racist tirades.  "Illegally took land from Serbia" , try asking the people of Kosova  what they think of Serbia, when Albanians have been there since before the Slavic migration to the Balkans. "Hitler's idea of greater Albania" is rich coming from the people who still celebrate the fascist chetniks and the ideas of "Greater Serbia" was actually put in practice many times , and flopped. 

[Solaria]

She is so irrelevant she even has to steal Dua's only controversy too. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE ALBANIAN MAFIA POSTER CHILD!!!

 

 

[NoAngelus]

2 minutes ago, Spice said:

Lol stfu, you're always spewing anti- Albanian nonsense on here like the time you posted random mugshots of Albanian men when someone posted about Serbian hooligans beating up english fans and going on racist tirades.  "Illegally took land from Serbia" , try asking the people of Kosova  what they think of Serbia, when Albanians have been there since before the Slavic migration to the Balkans. "Hitler's idea of greater Albania" is rich coming from the people who still celebrate the fascist chetniks and the ideas of "Greater Serbia" was actually put in practice many times , and flopped. 

[Matchatea]

Can someone give a rundown of why this is problematic to say? I'm seeing differing opinions. I need another explain in pop terms no I'm dumb 

[Solaria]

12 minutes ago, NoAngelus said:

This is so wrong, some of you don't even seem to understand how offensive it is. Like imagine Israeli singer coming to Palestine and claiming it was Israeli's land.

 

Albanians with the help of Nato already illegally took the land from Serbia and ever since then they are pushing Hitler's idea of Great Albania frighting people near the borders even more. People already started leaving Macedonia, half of that country is already occupied by Albanians, history repeats itself. 

There's very little support in Kosovo to be a de-jure part of Serbia. Albanians have been the majority in that region FAR before the Kosovo or the Yugoslav wars even started. They have the right to self determination.

[NoAngelus]

2 minutes ago, Matchatea said:

Can someone give a rundown of why this is problematic to say? I'm seeing differing opinions. I need another explain in pop terms no I'm dumb 

Albanians are trying to steal the land of all countries around them, they already successfully took Serbia's land with the help of NATO and now they are aiming for Macedonia and Greece. People already started leaving territories which they started claiming, same thing happened to Kosovo. 

[Spice]

Just now, NoAngelus said:

Lmao ofc the Ottoman defter from 1455 in the Brankovic realm💀 when the Ottomans identified people by religion and Included less than 40% of modern Kosovo.  Albanian Orthodox who didn't have their own Orthodox church were part of the Serbian orthodox church. See your precious Saint Angelina. 

[Solaria]

5 minutes ago, NoAngelus said:

Albanians are trying to steal the land of all countries around them, they already successfully took Serbia's land with the help of NATO and now they are aiming for Macedonia and Greece. People already started leaving territories which they started claiming, same thing happened to Kosovo. 

Not the fearmongering and war language  Greater Albania is not a state ideology, it's not something that every Albanian stands behind. And besides, the only region they rightfully fight for is Kosovo considering it's made up by a majority of Albanians. What does Serbs being the majority there before the 1900s have to do with anything? You seem to ommit the fact that Serbia and Montenegro participated in ethnic cleansing of Albanians during the interwar period because they didn't like that Albanians had formed the majority there.

[Luckitty]

19 minutes ago, NoAngelus said:

People already started leaving Macedonia, half of that country is already occupied by Albanians, history repeats itself. 

occupied? aren't they just normal citizens of macedonia? 

[NoAngelus]

Just now, Solaria said:

There's very little support in Kosovo to be a de-jure part of Serbia. Albanians have been the majority in that region FAR before the Kosovo or the Yugoslav wars even started. They have the right to self determination.

Well ofc when there are less and less Serbians living there only few thousands now? And they would probably leave too if they were not stopped by government because if they leave there's no one left.

 

Serbia's history with Kosovo goes all the way back, centuries before Albania was even founded 100 years ago. There are Serbia's most important monuments and monasteries, all being burned and taken down by Albanians in recent years. Because they are trying to erase history. But you don't read about it because Kosovo was West's door into Balkans and has the support of both US and UK. It was political plan to tear down Yugoslavia. 

 

 

[NoAngelus]

3 minutes ago, Solaria said:

Not the fearmongering and war language  Greater Albania is not a state ideology, it's not something that every Albanian stands behind. And besides, the only region they rightfully fight for is Kosovo considering it's made up by a majority of Albanians. What does Serbs being the majority there before the 1900s have to do with anything? You seem to ommit the fact that Serbia and Montenegro participated in ethnic cleansing of Albanians during the interwar period because they didn't like that Albanians had formed the majority there.

So you're basically saying Israel has every right to do what it has been doing to Palestine all this time? 

 

It's the same situation. 

 

 

[Solaria]

1 minute ago, NoAngelus said:

Well ofc when there are less and less Serbians living there only few thousands now? And they would probably leave too if they were not stopped by government because if they leave there's no one left.

 

Serbia's history with Kosovo goes all the way back, centuries before Albania was even founded 100 years ago. There are Serbia's most important monuments and monasteries, all being burned and taken down by Albanians in recent years. Because they are trying to erase history. But you don't read about it because Kosovo was West's door into Balkans and has the support of both US and UK. It was political plan to tear down Yugoslavia. 

 

 

This is an arbitrary talking point. That's like the Israelis saying ''Jews are indigenous to the land of Judea so we had the right to expel the Palestinians.'' What year or what period do you start counting then? The fact is, just like the Palestinians, Albanians had the majority in Kosovo and Serbia was actively trying to make sure that majority went down significantly, and they failed. Which means Kosovo has the right to self determination under the UN charter. They are not ''erasing''  history. Kosovo's heart and soul is Albanian.

[dumbsparce]

There's no such a thing as a country named "Macedonia", that I know for sure. Don't know about the rest though. 

[mintflavour]

2 minutes ago, Solaria said:

This is an arbitrary talking point. That's like the Israelis saying ''Jews are indigenous to the land of Judea so we had the right to expel the Palestinians.'' What year or what period do you start counting then? The fact is, just like the Palestinians, Albanians had the majority in Kosovo and Serbia was actively trying to make sure that majority went down significantly, and they failed. Which means Kosovo has the right to self determination under the UN charter. They are not ''erasing''  history. Kosovo's heart and soul is Albanian.

There are so many messages of support from Albanians under Bebe's comment. It seems to me that Albanians really think they have a right to claim all those regions that Bebe mentioned.

[NoAngelus]

4 minutes ago, Solaria said:

This is an arbitrary talking point. That's like the Israelis saying ''Jews are indigenous to the land of Judea so we had the right to expel the Palestinians.'' What year or what period do you start counting then? The fact is, just like the Palestinians, Albanians had the majority in Kosovo and Serbia was actively trying to make sure that majority went down significantly, and they failed. Which means Kosovo has the right to self determination under the UN charter. They are not ''erasing''  history. Kosovo's heart and soul is Albanian.

lol you are actually mistaking countries in this case, but i;m not surprised you are ignorant since you are being thought wrong history. Albania is Israel in this case.

 

Kosovo has been Serbia's heart and soul for centuries. CENTURIES before Albania was even founded in 1912. 

 

Read about Serbian monuments on Kosovo, with oldest being Gračanica Monastery from all the way back in 1321.

 

 

 

[BrokenMachine]

The random user spreading nonsense as if ethnic groups didn't exist in basically EVERY country, if that ethnic group grows in population it doesn't mean they're 'stealing'. Now if said group imposes an ethnostate and starts bombing the country they were once part of and turns it into an apartheid, now, that's another story. There's absolutely no correlation between Albania and certain ethnostate funded by some wealthy elites

[VeniceBeach]

5 minutes ago, NoAngelus said:

Well ofc when there are less and less Serbians living there only few thousands now? And they would probably leave too if they were not stopped by government because if they leave there's no one left.

 

Serbia's history with Kosovo goes all the way back, centuries before Albania was even founded 100 years ago. There are Serbia's most important monuments and monasteries, all being burned and taken down by Albanians in recent years. Because they are trying to erase history. But you don't read about it because Kosovo was West's door into Balkans and has the support of both US and UK. It was political plan to tear down Yugoslavia. 

 

 

I wonder if you feel the same way about Vojvodina, where the Serbs migrated to at the same time as the Albanians started migrating more to Kosovo. Should we give the northern part of Serbia to Hungary so that only the central part of the country remains? You can only get Kosovo if you apply the same thinking to Vojvodina

[Solaria]

5 minutes ago, mintflavour said:

There are so many messages of support from Albanians under Bebe's comment. It seems to me that Albanians really think they have a right to claim all those regions that Bebe mentioned.

Albanian online nationalism is not any different from online Turkish nationalism for example. A lot of people from the Balkan region share the same type of camaraderie in being proud of their country. That doesn't mean they want to annex all their neighboring countries Public support for ''Greater Albania'' is low except for unification of Kosovo. Albania can't risk a war with Serbia. They would lose.

[NoAngelus]

3 minutes ago, VeniceBeach said:

I wonder if you feel the same way about Vojvodina, where the Serbs migrated to at the same time as the Albanians started migrating more to Kosovo. Should we give the northern part of Serbia to Hungary so that only the central part of the country remains? You can only get Kosovo if you apply the same thinking to Vojvodina

I don't care about Vojvodina sorry. It was never integral part of Serbia.