MP3 Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 19 minutes ago, NoAngelus said: Let it go. Madonna is not more successful than Mariah anymore. Madame X was a Top 5 worldwide while Caution was a Top 50, demand for Mariah music WW is much lower than Madonna new stuff and saying otherwise is just bad-faith Demand WW for Madonna concert is way bigger too than Mariah, it's not even comparable, Mariah is more on the size of big theatres while Madonna is somewhere between arenas and stadiums.. No doubt Mariah is a legend and one of the big but Madonna is at a different level, she's part of a small amount of BIG ones 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoAngelus Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 9 minutes ago, MP3 said: Madame X was a Top 5 worldwide while Caution was a Top 50, demand for Mariah music WW is much lower than Madonna new stuff and saying otherwise is just bad-faith Demand WW for Madonna concert is way bigger too than Mariah, it's not even comparable, Mariah is more on the size of big theatres while Madonna is somewhere between arenas and stadiums.. No doubt Mariah is a legend and one of the big but Madonna is at a different level, she's part of a small amount of BIG ones Madonna has more dedicated/bigger fanbase outside US but after week 2 or 3 they are on pair since both left charts instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 On 7/25/2024 at 7:44 PM, Charmed Life said: So all the old classic albums that were big hits are not successful anymore (or remembered) because of their low streaming numbers? The majority of Mimi's streams are probably coming from the USA. She's not global like Madonna. all old classic albums get great streaming results, except Madonna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, MP3 said: Madame X was a Top 5 worldwide while Caution was a Top 50, demand for Mariah music WW is much lower than Madonna new stuff and saying otherwise is just bad-faith Demand WW for Madonna concert is way bigger too than Mariah, it's not even comparable, Mariah is more on the size of big theatres while Madonna is somewhere between arenas and stadiums.. No doubt Mariah is a legend and one of the big but Madonna is at a different level, she's part of a small amount of BIG ones Madame X was supported by 2 great young artists from the stream era, Maluma and Anitta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, MP3 said: she's part of a small amount of BIG ones I agree, releasing an album worse than the other since 2008, she really is on a unique level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charmed Life Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said: Madame X was supported by 2 great young artists from the stream era, Maluma and Anitta. Except you forgot to mention the part about those young artists only being huge in south America. She wasn't exactly catering to the public either with Nutcracker samples. 35 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said: all old classic albums get great streaming results, except Madonna That's not true in a lot of cases, and you know it. Edited July 29 by Charmed Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charmed Life Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 26 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said: I agree, releasing an album worse than the other since 2008, she really is on a unique level. Oh, I don't know. Mariah's been releasing dreadful albums since the early 00's, and that's quite a feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bey_Rihstan Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 On 7/26/2024 at 11:35 AM, Charmed Life said: The US is the third biggest country in the world, and there isn't much diversity when it comes to music This flagrant lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tost1 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 This MadonnaxMariah war is actually kinda amusing in the absence of an ongoing Britney/Xtina thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Poncho Barlliams said: I agree, releasing an album worse than the other since 2008, she really is on a unique level. Actually Rebel Heart was an improvement from MDNA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, tost1 said: This MadonnaxMariah war is actually kinda amusing in the absence of an ongoing Britney/Xtina thread It's always the defeating team who start the war 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charmed Life Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 12 minutes ago, Bey_Rihstan said: This flagrant lie So Hip hop, R+B and (c)Rap aren't THE domineering genres of music in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 5 hours ago, Charmed Life said: No ones making excuses. At the end of the day Madonna reigns supreme, and remains the most influential, iconic and bigger artist of the two due to her worldwide classics, epic tours, and generally being a trailblazer. She also broke down so many barriers for woman, as well as advocating for the queer community at a time when it wasn't cool. Mariah is known worldwide (mostly) for her Christmas ditty, and there's no shame in that, so embrace it. Facts can't be erased, no matter how many daily streaming lists you throw at us. Mitski, a Japanese artist who is inspired by Mariah Anitta, Brazilian artist https://www.instagram.com/p/C5vwf1zxFRG/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Grimes, Canadian artist Leigh-Anne, British artist I could spend hours here citing various artists who are influenced by Mariah, from Beyoncé to Ariana Grande, so don't try to summarize her legacy to Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 5 hours ago, Chris said: So TEOM only pulls 500k daily streams? You would think the way the Mariah fans gush about it being such a success that it would perform a lit bit better, don't you think? Look at how all these pop girl albums perform on a daily basis: Now compare that to the Emancipation of Mimi. Are you comparing a 2005 album with albums released in the streaming era? I thought at least our intelligence was level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 hours ago, stevyy said: Mariah fluctuated and depends on viral tracks on tik tok. There was a time when she got to 4 million streams daily last year and earlier this year... but that has faded. Much like Madonna, Mariah is also on the same level as 2019/20. The overall catalogue increases are almost non-existant... maybe 3-5% annually which is smaller than the average spotify gain. 4 million on the 26th, without The Weeknd or Marvel movie, just 100% your own catalog https://x.com/SpotifyMariah/status/1817979552653844790 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 hours ago, NoAngelus said: No, because your post makes no sense. If Madonna had any power in making Popular hit, her latest singles would've been up there with its numbers. Popular is Weeknd's only 27th biggest song on Spotify, it's Madonna's #1 by a mile, and she will never top it with any new or old song. It will remain her biggest song on streaming. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charmed Life Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 16 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said: Mitski, a Japanese artist who is inspired by Mariah Anitta, Brazilian artist https://www.instagram.com/p/C5vwf1zxFRG/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Grimes, Canadian artist Leigh-Anne, British artist I could spend hours here citing various artists who are influenced by Mariah, from Beyoncé to Ariana Grande, so don't try to summarize her legacy to Christmas. Four people. Whoopi do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBC Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Isn't Loose by Nelly kinda a bigger comeback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 hours ago, NoAngelus said: Caution is not only more acclaimed and fan favorite album, but it also charted 1 week longer on B200. MX was saved by tour bundles, without them her first week sales would've been below Caution's. Caution also has 4 solo songs over 10m, 3 of them over 20m. MX has ONE song over 10m at 11,7m. Lowest streamed song on Caution has 5,2m streams while on MX 3,9m That also shows you how much people listened to those 2 albums in full. Let it go. Madonna is not more successful than Mariah anymore. It's funny how Madonna fans want to make MX a commercial success, just because it sold a little more than Caution. At the end of the day, both are within what is expected for two veteran artists with more than 30 years of career. The only difference is the fact that Caution is better than anything by Madonna since 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho Barlliams Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 40 minutes ago, Charmed Life said: Four people. Whoopi do. If you want a complete list you can go to Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) I'm living for the dragging and the fact that that one Madonna stan has to post pics of a concert while people are entering... and claim it's empty. I agree... They only used 1 section out of an entire stadium there... which probably still held 8k-10k. As someone said, Mariah's live entertainment statistics improve actually. Just 8 months ago she finished a 16 dates tour which grossed $30 million in revenue. (It was her biggest tour by revenue in regards to individual show gross). Not too shabby for the Xmas lady. Her current residency show The Celebration of Mimi will end with 24 shows, but twice the gross than the 50-dates residency Infinity from 2015-2017. Improvement wherever we see. She's about to embark on a 2 concert streak in Brazil and will also return to China for 2 stadium shows later this year. #activ I can concede that Madonna is eons bigger than Mariah in touring and bigger in albums sales and currently even bigger in streaming. I can also concede that Madonna is eons bigger in Europe and South America. I find it so odd that so many Madonna stans in contrast have to resort to inuendo when discussing Mariah, often claiming the woman never had a hit, is unknown, has never done anything... and still it's so odd that she sold 150 million albums and over 100 million singles worldwide and became one of the top 3 biggest female entities in music in the world. So weird how someone who's always flopped like that and only has bad, unlistenable music... found an audience so big and for decades that she became a trailblazer herself. But that is so unthinkable for a Madonna fan to admit and I think some lack the capacity to even understand that. Edited July 29 by stevyy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenda-walsh Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 it is easily between Cher's 'Believe' and Tina Turner's 'Private Dancer.' Neither Madonna or Mariah both of those ladies quite literally came from the dead when the world had not been paying attention to them in forever. at least Madonna and Mariah had hits in the 5 or so years beforehand and still had the publicity and machine backing them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 God y'all still going on in here. I didn't even know it was a question that Madonna was leagues ahead of Mariah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 7 hours ago, NoAngelus said: Madonna is not more successful than Mariah anymore. Mariah isn't more successful than Madonna either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 7 hours ago, NoAngelus said: but it also charted 1 week longer on B200 Wow ONE week longer? And still shipped wood like Madame X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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