Miss Show Business Posted July 20 Posted July 20 17 minutes ago, Pikachoo said: just playing devil's advocate, but isnt this what the article is saying? it is in fact not detrimental to their mental health? Sorry, I'm not referring to the article posted here. I'm referring to a broader scientific consensus that shows this claim is in fact not the case. As someone mentioned above, it's too soon to see the negative effects.
Worm Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Quote One risk is that young people and their families will be terrified by predictions of suicide as inevitable without puberty blockers - some of the responses on social media show this," he said. There was also the risk that distressed adolescents hearing that message could be led to copy the behaviour warned about. He also said the claims placed in the public domain about an "explosion" in suicides "do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence". So his argument is that *checks notes* denying access to puberty blockers doesn't cause an increase in suicide rates, but that talking about an increase in suicide rates because of denied access to puberty blockers is dangerous and could increase suicide rates? I wonder if his claim "meets basic standards for statistical evidence". 1
Miss Show Business Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Here's a systematic review (the highest form of evidence based on the heirarchy of evidence) that concludes puberty blockers in youths is "reasonably safe". Apparently there are research gaps; however I'm fairly certain puberty blockers have been a routine practice for trans youth for decades, and it is my understanding that these treatments, even hormone replacement therapy, are reversible. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(17)30099-2/fulltext
Communion Posted July 20 Posted July 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kukai said: The data is from the trust it was banned from in 2020. This is UK focused though so it is not reflective of what's happening globally. I'm confused ... is the below paragraph what the observation is based on? Covering the period between 2018-19 and 2023-24, he found there were 12 suicides - five in the three years leading up to 2020-21 and seven in the three years afterwards. "This is essentially no difference," Prof Appleby says in his report, "taking account of expected fluctuations in small numbers, and would not reach statistical significance." He adds: "In the under 18s specifically, there were 3 suicides before and 3 after 2020-21." The obvious flaw being, could patients go and find other means to get on puberty blockers? Go to other clinics? Get them illegally? When knowing the evidence that suicide rates do increase when trans youth are denied treatment, how does tracking a population that will not include people who feel suicidal ideation so badly that they will find other means to access treatment? You've not "stopped puberty blockers" as a means of treatment in all of the UK to make an assessment on how such has gone. You stopped one clinic from being able to - apparently - use them in treatment. If I needed to see a specialist, and one hospital suddenly no longer lacked that specialist.. wouldn't I just go to a different hospital? Edited July 20 by Communion 1
Headlock Posted July 20 Posted July 20 On 7/19/2024 at 6:38 PM, Moloko Plus said: Medical intervention for a transition should happen after a child goes through puberty. Argue with the wall. You posting this nonsense with a Sophie avi is deplorable. 2
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