base talk Was there any way for Katy Perry to remain an A-list star à la Taylor/Adele/Beyoncé?

[ugo]

2 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Gosh it'd be nice if people could use some critical thinking every now and then.

 

And A-List star is essentially known by the entire GP who still has an automatic invite to every relevant event.

 

Katy flopping doesn't mean she's not a household name who can still virtually appear anywhere she wants. 
 

Is Madonna not an A-List star because she doesn't have top charts in 2024? Is Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, JLaw, etc. Not A-List stars just because their movies don't automatically gross 300M in box office anymore? Like use your brains. 

Madonna is a legend 

 

Katy was never respected as a celebrity….

[Digitalism]

No but mataining A level is really hard. Only one or two stay that way from each decade.

[Nachocheesechalup]

The biggest mistake she made was shave her hair. It amplified all of her flaws, primarily her awkward personality. Her cheesiness was intolerable without her beauty being the focal point.

 

yes, her hair is long now and black now. But …

shes older and it shows.

womans world is not a good song and the concept is beyond dated.

 

 

 

 

[Bimbo]

No, she never had half the talent, quality or intelligence as the other girls. 

[ericcartman]

A list musician? Nah, I never thought she had it in her to remain at that level. She always has a shelf life.

 

A list celebrity? Yeah I feel like she should be. She's hot, sexy, married to a celebrity. There's no reason for her not to be.

[Miracle Whip]

No.

 

She was a pop star for children and tweens and once they grew up they left her behind.

 

The beanie baby of pop music.

[YourFavoriteWeapon]

No. She never solidified a fanbase the way other A-List pop girls have, nor did she ever really showcase any semblance of artistry or talent to help propel her career to further heights. I also think that taking a 4 year break between Prism and Witness was the worst decision she ever did and feel like that was one of the main factors that truly killed her career. 

[Pheromosa]

She's just not that girl.

She was destined to decline 

But to this degree is quite shocking

[Flanders]

1 hour ago, glitch said:

No she made faceless radio music and at the end of the day was just the latest in a long line of disposable pop stars. Singers like her never have a great deal of staying power.

You could say many things about the quality of her music, but it was never faceless I think. Her songs are very recognizable, she has her own distinct style, image and sound. But the quality has gone downhill and people aren't having it

[simplywohoo]

she had so much goodwill for her return after the met gala ai thing went viral and i am 100% sure she would habe done way better if she didnt pick luke and also a different song altogether. she fumbled SOOO hard this time, i don't think she can return anymore.

[TouchinFree]

I think Katy took the whole animation themes too far. It was nice and cool when she did it before the Teenage dream era was over but she took it too far. That whole quirky, fu ky, animated, fun image only works for small projects. 

 

Half of Witness the album should've been cut and replaced with better song. She needed more songs similar to " Wide awake" and " Teenage dream". Smile shouldn't have happened either. 

 

But all in all Katy wasn't supposed to last. Her biggest audience were literal children. 

[ICLDXU4HS]

1 hour ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

Katy is just not cool. I think having a cool factor is very important for longevity and industry dominance, and people associate Katy with corniness, artificiality, and stupidity.

I think she was considered cool during One of the Boys. She was sort of this rockier, more attractive American Lily Allen with the pinup look. Even Cali Gurls and unexpectedly collabing with Snoop was considered cool. She went overboard with the silliness and camp as TD progressed and became cringe with Prism.

 

I think she should have returned to music with a singer-songwriter approach with pop influences as on OOTB after TD. The full pop star thing just never felt very natural to her. If she'd done that her career could have potentially had more longevity and maybe she'd be taken more serious or would be more acclaimed.

[Arrows]

Yes, if she'd been an entirely different person. 
 

So in reality, no. She is who she is.

[UnusualBoy]

Her problem was not evolve as an artist, Prism had more mature sounds she could've embraced to make the follow up but instead we got Witness which was a big decline in the quality sonically and lyrically. Also, I love her quirkiness but she tends to do the most when she doesn't have to ie: Birthday music video, Swiss Swiss, WW and so on.

 

But at the end it is what it is, she made her bed and she's laying in it.

 

 

[Archetype]

Getting consistently panned throughout her career meant that her only ties to stardom and respect are directly related to chart success.  Without that, she doesn't really have anything to warrant A list status aside from her husband, who, let's be honest, also fell off big time.

[Welovetrouble]

3 hours ago, Gaia said:

Gosh it'd be nice if people could use some critical thinking every now and then.

 

And A-List star is essentially known by the entire GP who still has an automatic invite to every relevant event.

 

Katy flopping doesn't mean she's not a household name who can still virtually appear anywhere she wants. 
 

Is Madonna not an A-List star because she doesn't have top charts in 2024? Is Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, JLaw, etc. Not A-List stars just because their movies don't automatically gross 300M in box office anymore? Like use your brains. 

She has a-list name recognition not necessarily an a-list musician if that makes sense, it's just like no matter what Cher and Barbra Streisand would always be a-listers no matter the commercial outcomes of their recent projects

[cat1867]

Her biggest problem is that she chose to tie her image to both oversexulization  and toilet humor. 
 

That turned off fans and credits and caused the gp to have no respect for her. 
 

It made it almost impossible for Katy to evolve her image while the image was one that was age very badly.

 

And then instead of trying to pulling a pink which she had a chance to pull off, she went for "purposeful pop" and then repeated the mistake for woman's world

[ScorpiosGroove]

no, her campy/corny/cheap image coupled with dated pop music wasn't gonna make it past the 5 year mark no matter what she does 

 

her lack of talent and intellect didn't help either 

 

edit : you can downvote and fume all you want, that won't make katy successful again  @halcyonday

Edited July 18 by ScorpiosGroove

[Vixen Eyes]

4 hours ago, ugo said:

she isn't though she get out liked by Gracie Abrams on instagram 

i heard that Gracie Abrams is a nepo baby

her dad is some film director or something

[cyberraga]

She hasn't been A-list since 2015. 
 

Her peers evolved and adapted, she did not. 

[Migs]

First of all, she should've stopped trying to be funny cause she isn't, but I think that after Dark Horse, she should've released Legendary Lovers and Walking on Air as Prism's final singles. Those would be top 10 hits unlike Birthday and TIHWD that underperformed. Also Witness shouldn't have existed. If she had come back with a stronger 4th album in the style of Never Really Over, I think that would've given her 1 or 2 more successful eras.

Edited July 18 by Migs

[aotwbys]

I might be delusional but doesn't she still have A-list name recognition 

[Planet Mars]

I'm not convinced Katy was ever an A-list star. An incredibly successful music star, yes, but her presence never commanded the attention of the likes of Adele, Beyoncé, Taylor, Gaga, Rihanna etc.

 

Any of the aforementioned women, ontop of her music success was/is also acclaimed and generally respected. Katy is cringe and comes off tryhard, she also lacks musical direction. 

 

She was never going to be one of those girls, but if there was even a chance it's over now.

[Sharamee6]

You gave 3 perfect examples as to why she'll never be in the same league as the ones you mentioned.

 

Taylor - Katy doesn't have her song-writing skills nor her fanbase/star power

 

Beyonce - Katy can't dance like Beyonce, and she doesn't have Jay Z, his connections and the illuminati to over-hype her career the way Beyonces is.

 

Adele - Katy doesn't have Adeles voice, vocals, and her talent of sounding ON-key while singing live.

 

Edited July 18 by Sharamee6

[halcyonday]

8 minutes ago, Sharamee6 said:

Katy doesn't have Adeles voice, vocals, and her talent of sounding ON-key while singing live.

not you saying the same thing 3 times