celeb news Critics pan Woman's World: The Guardian 1/5, Pitchfork: "A monumental catastrophe"

[Hurem]

6 hours ago, iHype. said:

It's definitely a weak song, but tbh I started thinking how it reminds me of "Break My Soul" and pondered exactly how Beyonce got such universal acclaim with also a dated 2016 sounding Dance-Pop empowerment song as her comeback single 

 

"Break My Soul" was the most acclaimed song of 2022 period and yet this is a disaster on the ears to the same critics  This song unironically once again shows how useless and agenda driven critics are honestly 

Maybe because Break My Soul is a good song, while Woman's World isn't? Shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp  

[BrattyBottom]

Dazed has finally released their thoughts! Get in! 

https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/63107/1/katy-perrys-womans-world-dr-luke-the-epitome-of-2010s-girlboss-feminism

 

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The Dr. Luke produced 'Woman's World' – which is as empowering as an advert for Vagisil

 

Sitting at just under three minutes, "Woman's World" feels like one of the most creatively bankrupt comebacks in pop history.

 

[Sexyzinger]

4 minutes ago, Burn said:

so "it's a woman's world" but you only want one type of woman represented? 

Not in a sexy music video, go take a walk on the street if you want to look at average people 

[iHype.]

9 minutes ago, Hurem said:

Maybe because Break My Soul is a good song, while Woman's World isn't? Shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp  

"Break My Soul" is slightly catchy and an overall average song at best, especially for Beyonce's standards. It's lower rank on Renaissance, and probably one of her weakest singles in a ranking. Universal acclaim to the point of SOTY/ROTY nominations & Rolling Stone naming it one of the greatest songs ever is hilarious though.

 

Nearly every criticism (besides the Luke association) I've seen aimed at why Woman's World is bad from publications could be pinned on Break My Soul too. 

• Sounds outdated (BMS also sounds like a 2016 song you'd hear at a H&M)
• Pandering ("Queens to the front, doms to the back" are lyrics on BMS)
• Not self-aware (A billionaire singing about the stress of a 9-5 job is?)

[Shelter]

49 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Break My Soul release wasn't changing her image (there wasn't even a music video) and the lyrics were nothing special  It sounded like a 2016 demo meant for an H&M playlist. There was nothing groundbreaking or elevating about that song. 

 

Once Renaissance dropped (which is actually a 10/10 masterpiece! We stan!) "Break My Soul" became a distant memory to everyone even fans who now rank it consistently as one of the weakest songs on the album. 
 

The universal praise for it to the point of even Rolling Stone naming it one of the greatest songs ever is absolutely a showcase of the dynamics and agenda behind critical praise  Woman's World sucks but also critical praise is borderline worthless in 2024 — both can be true. 

Your comparison is stupid. Katy's sucks ass. 

[SeeingStars1515]

13 minutes ago, iHype. said:

"Break My Soul" is slightly catchy and an overall average song at best, especially for Beyonce's standards. It's lower rank on Renaissance, and probably one of her weakest singles in a ranking. Universal acclaim to the point of SOTY/ROTY nominations & Rolling Stone naming it one of the greatest songs ever is hilarious though.

 

Nearly every criticism (besides the Luke association) I've seen aimed at why Woman's World is bad from publications could be pinned on Break My Soul too. 

• Sounds outdated (BMS also sounds like a 2016 song you'd hear at a H&M)
• Pandering ("Queens to the front, doms to the back" are lyrics on BMS)
• Not self-aware (A billionaire singing about the stress of a 9-5 job is?)

Sorry but BMS does not sound like anything from 2016 lol Esp with that sample

the 9-5 was relating to the pandemic - we're all very aware - as is she - that she's a billionaire

Pandering is subjective. The whole album is a love letter to queer black community. 

 

It's not the best song on renaissance but it fit the moment. Whereas Womans World is in a post SC overturning Roe v Wade at a time where women are losing their rights. This song is just awful and no one felt this way about BMS lol 

[AlbumOfTheYear]

36 minutes ago, AccioMiley said:

Ive been wanting this katy perry almost a decade of downfall since IKAG. It seems like the floors of hell keep cracking and she continues tumbling down 

I knew I liked your ass. Twinning!

[iHype.]

2 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

Sorry but BMS does not sound like anything from 2016 lol Esp with that sample

Big Freedia sampling/collab also had been used by other artists in prior years (Drake - Nice for What 2018, Kesha - Raising Hell 2019). I don't find there to be anything new/groundbreaking about BMS, and it also is a very average Dance-Pop empowerment song meant to be a radio single and nothing more.

 

Nothing about it justifies acclaim to the extent of being the greatest song of its year and one of the best songs of all-time.

4 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

the 9-5 was relating to the pandemic - we're all very aware - as is she - that she's a billionaire

Pandering is subjective. The whole album is a love letter to queer black community. 

 

It's not the best song on renaissance but it fit the moment. Whereas Womans World is in a post SC overturning Roe v Wade at a time where women are losing their rights. This song is just awful and no one felt this way about BMS lol 

As for BMS fitting a moment and Woman's World not... if you just said yourself this is a time where women rights are under attack why would a pro-women song not be fitting  That would ideally be when it is most needed.  

 

 

[Hurem]

14 minutes ago, iHype. said:

"Break My Soul" is slightly catchy and an overall average song at best, especially for Beyonce's standards. It's lower rank on Renaissance, and probably one of her weakest singles in a ranking. Universal acclaim to the point of SOTY/ROTY nominations & Rolling Stone naming it one of the greatest songs ever is hilarious though.

 

Nearly every criticism (besides the Luke association) I've seen aimed at why Woman's World is bad from publications could be pinned on Break My Soul too. 

• Sounds outdated (BMS also sounds like a 2016 song you'd hear at a H&M)
• Pandering ("Queens to the front, doms to the back" are lyrics on BMS)
• Not self-aware (A billionaire singing about the stress of a 9-5 job is?)

Break My Soul is not outdated at all, though. It captures that 90s house style, while still feeling modern and fresh. Woman's World's biggest crime is being a bad song, as simple as that. 

 

There's a fine line between having a good song and an outdated one when you draw influence from previous eras. I can name Free Woman demo as an example. Both it's demo and final version were influenced by 90s house/dance music, but the final version sounds like **** compared to the demo one, solely because of production choices that made the song sound outdated

[SeeingStars1515]

1 minute ago, iHype. said:

Big Freedia sampling/collab also had been used by other artists in prior years (Drake - Nice for What 2018, Kesha - Raising Hell 2019). I don't find there to be anything new/groundbreaking about BMS, and it also is a very average Dance-Pop empowerment song meant to be a radio single and nothing more.

 

Nothing about it justifies acclaim to the extent of being the greatest song of its year and one of the best songs of all-time.

As for BMS fitting a moment and Woman's World not... if you just said yourself this is a time where women rights are under attack why would a pro-women song not be fitting  That would ideally be when it is most needed.  

 

 

but BMS sounds like nothing like Raising Hell or Nice for What lol

 

Womens World is not a pro-women song. Women are intelligent and strong? No **** - thats not the problem right now. 

[Bimbo]

Forbes and Business Insider kadfjskghsfdg

 

We ALL love a Katy Perry is over party!

 

[Hurem]

25 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Universal acclaim to the point of SOTY/ROTY nominations & Rolling Stone naming it one of the greatest songs ever is hilarious though.

What I will give you, though, is that the critics can overreact. When you're on a good streak, they will praise you to the gods, but when you're at your lowest - they will punch you down even harder.

 

That being said, Katy being at her lowest is exclusively her fault. She should have known better than running back to Dr. Luke for a hit (and miserably failing while doing so.)

[perpetual novice]

I legitimately can't think of the last time a pop girls single was so bad it was headline news. Pop culture is back 

[iHype.]

7 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

 

Womens World is not a pro-women song. Women are intelligent and strong? No **** - thats not the problem right now. 

Just because the lyrical subject matter isn't groundbreaking doesn't mean it cannot be pro-women.  It's like saying Single Ladies isn't seen as a female anthem lol. 

 

But using your logic Break My Soul wasn't necessary or a moment. The lyrics already regurgitated the same thoughts basic level thoughts everyone publicly had during the pandemic (tired, stressed, need an escape). I guess popstars need to start having in-depth deep presidential speeches in their song lyrics.

[perpetual novice]

Just now, iHype. said:

Just because the lyrical subject matter isn't groundbreaking doesn't mean it cannot be pro-women.  It's like saying Single Ladies isn't seen as a female anthem lol. 

 

But using your logic Break My Soul wasn't necessary or a moment. The lyrics already regurgitated the same thoughts basic level thoughts everyone publicly had during the pandemic (tired, stressed, need an escape). 

Except BMS felt inspired, actually tapped into the culture it was inspired by and was a danceable banger. It's not even comparable. Katys song sounds like it was conceived in a board room.

[BrattyBottom]

4 minutes ago, perpetual novice said:

I legitimately can't think of the last time a pop girls single was so bad it was headline news. Pop culture is back 

Has it ever really happened in this capacity? 

 

I don't even think late Madonna singles, Nicki's Starships or Me! was as universally panned.

[Mocha]

what an absolute disaster, atleast the other snippets sound promising 

 

[bringdanoize]

 

 

thanks Twitter for protecting people from even looking at something related to this atrocity

Edited July 12 by bringdanoize

[Burn]

What is this random trying to drag Beyoncé into it mess on the last couple of pages.  We're dragging Katy this week/month/year. Let's keep to that, shall we.

 

[Reginald]

[The7thStranger]

37 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Not self-aware (A billionaire singing about the stress of a 9-5 job is?)

When did this stop Bruce Springsteen?

[Happylittlepunk]

!Pop Emergency! 
 

Stupid love by Lady gaga has officially surpassed Katy new single woman's world in global iTunes chart! 

Edited July 12 by Happylittlepunk

[BrattyBottom]

10 minutes ago, Burn said:

What is this random trying to drag Beyoncé into it mess on the last couple of pages.  We're dragging Katy this week/month/year. Let's keep to that, shall we.

 

Just IGNORE anything not related to Katy lashings. 

[Riverbank]

Not Business Insider getting their whack in  What a disaster

[iHype.]

21 minutes ago, Hurem said:

What I will give you, though, is that the critics can overreact. When you're on a good streak, they will praise you to the gods, but when you're at your lowest - they will punch you down even harder.

 

That being said, Katy being at her lowest is exclusively her fault. She should have known better than running back to Dr. Luke for a hit (and miserably failing while doing so.)

There is nothing about Break My Soul that I would rank eons above a song like Stupid Love or Woman's World to the point of being absolutely superb and a discography highlight 

 

All 3 of those songs are pretty much just rather average, safe playing, and nothing worth ever debating as one of their best songs. I think that is pretty universal too.

 

So as I was saying, the absolute difference in reception between artists when they release songs like this just shows critical/publications are a mess in 2024. I do agree Woman's World is a weak song, but also panning it to this point especially after I have seen the level of praise for similar songs from other artists is funny.