Communion Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Just now, Onyxmage said: What exactly has Biden done to hurt Americans directly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 6 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: Almost every celebrity does this. Maybe we should cancel all of them too. "Every celebrity" isn't bidding to lead the country while fighting off allegations of dementia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespertine Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 minute ago, Onyxmage said: Things are happening because Trump was elected. Elections have consequences. What exactly has Biden done to hurt Americans directly? What meaningful actions has his administration taken in the last 4 years to push back on attacks on queer people, POC, or women's reproductive rights? Border detentions have increased under Biden. Is Trump supplying weapons to Israel right now? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyxmage Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Just now, Vespertine said: What meaningful actions has his administration taken in the last 4 years to push back on attacks on queer people, POC, or women's reproductive rights? Border detentions have increased under Biden. Is Trump supplying weapons to Israel right now? Well first of all Roe was overturned by TRUMPS supreme court and they cant codify Abortion rights without 60 votes. Also most anti LGBT legislation is being passed on a state level and being rammed through by the supermajority of Republicans. The border argument is laughable when Republicans came to a bipartisan agreement on the border and immigration then walked away when Trump told them not to vote for it so he could have something to campaign on. As for Israel, well every president has and will continue to support Israel including Trump and Biden but please ignore all domestic issues and focus on a foreign war. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyxmage Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Literally nothing that I said garnered those reactions but I guess when someone doesnt respond with the typical circle jerk of Biden hate on here it can be a little confusing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 24 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: Well first of all Roe was overturned by TRUMPS supreme court and they cant codify Abortion rights without 60 votes. Also most anti LGBT legislation is being passed on a state level and being rammed through by the supermajority of Republicans. The border argument is laughable when Republicans came to a bipartisan agreement on the border and immigration then walked away when Trump told them not to vote for it so he could have something to campaign on. As for Israel, well every president has and will continue to support Israel including Trump and Biden but please ignore all domestic issues and focus on a foreign war. Seeing as Trump may be sliding easily towards one of the strongest trifectas Republicans have ever had, maybe throwing out bipartisanship is working out well for him after all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favorite crime Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 The people in here are ridiculous. Are you 5 years old? Wanting to teach the Democrats a lesson as if the livelihoods of real people are not at stake. Yes the democratic party messed up, yes Biden should have never even stepped up to the primary but he did and these are the cards we've been dealt. The idea that he could step down now, months before the election, and a new candidate could Garner support to win is 100% ridiculous and impossible. There would be 0 confidence left in the party + Twitter liberals would probably find a way to still be angry just like in 2016. The idea that a second Biden administration would be just as bad for Palestine as a Trump administration would be is soooo stupid. Get your heads out off Twitter and use your brains!! Biden's (albeit measly) two-state solution is more than Trump, who has spent the entire year calling all Palestinians terrorists, would ever do. And the consequences for Ukraine would be dire but they aren't trending on Twitter anymore so no one cares. If Trump wins there will be a nation-wide abortion bad, at least one more conservative seat in the Supreme Court, work place discrimination based on sexuality/gender identity will be legalized, bible will become mandatory in all schools, social securities will get repealed, public school system dismantled etc etc etc. These are all things that Trump has not only promised to do, but with the way Congress and the Supreme Court are, can 100% implement with lasting effects. That's not even getting into Project 2025. But sure, the most important thing right now is to dunk on Biden so you can tell your kids you had the "morally superior" position (it's not, it's just selfish). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyxmage Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Seeing as Trump may be sliding easily towards one of the strongest trifectas Republicans have ever had, maybe throwing out bipartisanship is working out well for him after all. Is this supposed to scare anyone? Literally nobody cares about your doomsday predictions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyxmage Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, favorite crime said: The people in here are ridiculous. Are you 5 years old? Wanting to teach the Democrats a lesson as if the livelihoods of real people are not at stake. Yes the democratic party messed up, yes Biden should have never even stepped up to the primary but he did and these are the cards we've been dealt. The idea that he could step down now, months before the election, and a new candidate could Garner support to win is 100% ridiculous and impossible. There would be 0 confidence left in the party + Twitter liberals would probably find a way to still be angry just like in 2016. The idea that a second Biden administration would be just as bad for Palestine as a Trump administration would be is soooo stupid. Get your heads out off Twitter and use your brains!! Biden's (albeit measly) two-state solution is more than Trump, who has spent the entire year calling all Palestinians terrorists, would ever do. And the consequences for Ukraine would be dire but they aren't trending on Twitter anymore so no one cares. If Trump wins there will be a nation-wide abortion bad, at least one more conservative seat in the Supreme Court, work place discrimination based on sexuality/gender identity will be legalized, bible will become mandatory in all schools, social securities will get repealed, public school system dismantled etc etc etc. These are all things that Trump has not only promised to do, but with the way Congress and the Supreme Court are, can 100% implement with lasting effects. That's not even getting into Project 2025. But sure, the most important thing right now is to dunk on Biden so you can tell your kids you had the "morally superior" position (it's not, it's just selfish). ATRL is fun because most people here dont live in reality. They will post essays and page long thesis to prove they are right regardless of who gets hurt. You cant take these people too seriously. Well you can but its pointless. Just the mention of Biden triggers them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 4 hours ago, favorite crime said: There would be 0 confidence left in the party There is 0 confidence in the party RIGHT ******* NOW. BECAUSE. OF. BIDEN. The fact that they've run this historically unpopular candidate and think they can just tough it out because the other side is worse is disconnected from reality. Americans would genuinely rather have a Christofascist dictator than an Alzheimer's patient like Biden leading for another four years, and it's astounding that liberals have buried their hands in the sand out of cultish worship for a soulless corpse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyboi Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 8 hours ago, byzantium said: Democrats need to learn that you can't gaslight people into ignoring what they clearly see as signs of aging. You also cannot guilt trip people into voting for Biden after is continued support of Genocide. Without gaslighting or guilt tripping, the party does not have an effective strategy for winning. We as a country deserve a better candidate and party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespertine Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 3 hours ago, Onyxmage said: ATRL is fun because most people here dont live in reality. You're the one not living in reality Biden is wildly disliked right now, and I'm not saying "disliked by Trump voters." He's disliked by the people who actually put him in office. Or are you one of the Biden fanatics who are still pretending like he isn't projected to lose in states that shouldn't even be competitive? Are you not seeing that even in some very blue states like New York, which Biden won by over 20 points in 2020, he's now polling with just single digit leads over Trump? Given those facts, do you think that people who previously supported Biden are as impressed with his presidency as you seem to be? Biden is going to hand the presidency over to Trump on a silver platter by refusing to step down and continuing to embarrass himself with moments like this attempted radio interview. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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byzantium Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 8 hours ago, Sannie said: Yes, you can. The USA has a two-party system, so not voting for one is helping the other. That is how it works no matter how you try to deny it in an attempt to retain your moral superiority. We can make it known we do deserve better while also understanding the cards we've been dealt and working with what we have. Unless Biden decides to step down, he is going to be the nominee and you can choose to help him win and save millions or not and help cause the following: Increasing the onslaught of death and destruction in Palestine; most likely with the use of nuclear weapons. Rounding up millions of immigrants (both documented and undocumented) and placing them in detention camps. Forcing transgender people in red states to detransition. Forcing impregnated rape victims in red states to give birth to their rapist's baby. Forcing pregnant people in red states whose health is at risk if they give birth to give birth. Outlawing black history being taught in schools in red states. Outlawing public displays of queerness, e.g., drag shows in red states. Nominating two additional right-wing extremists to SCOTUS. Consolidating power around the President via installing loyalists in every governmental agency. Continued deregulations that will allow corporations to set forth their own regulatory practices, i.e., none that will curb their profits. You cannot in good faith claim to not support genocide while actively threatening to help a candidate win who has promised to enact genocides on virtually every single vulnerable population in the USA. The reason why this reasoning fails is because it hinges on the idea that a party is entitled to your vote. If you were truly terrified of the points you listed, you would be vigorously advocating for Biden to step down and also currently fighting these moves that are already happening. But currently Centrist democrats are rather complacent in the bullet points you listed because they are not terrified of those events happening, but terrified that it may make Biden look bad. Guilt-tripping works when one of the candidates has a sense of moral leadership. But when one candidate is promising the eradication of a people, you cannot guilt trip people into voting or supporting that person because the other person might do it faster. The rhetoric only increases voter apathy and withdrawal. The bottom-line point is, if you want Biden to win, you need to convince people why he is a good leader and calm their reservations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favorite crime Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: There is 0 confidence in the party RIGHT ******* NOW. BECAUSE. OF. BIDEN. The fact that they've run this historically unpopular candidate and think they can just tough it out because the other side is worse is disconnected from reality. Americans would genuinely rather have a Christofascist dictator than an Alzheimer's patient like Biden leading for another four years, and it's astounding that liberals have buried their hands in the sand out of cultish worship for a soulless corpse. If that doesn't seem silly to you then there is no point in arguing. If you genuinely believe it's okay to let an actual fascist win because Biden is old and incompetent then you are past saving. How can any logically thinking adult support a position like that? Twitter brain rot is truly one of the most confounding phenomenons of our times. But no, there is not zero confidence. Obviously Biden is a terrible candidate but if you look at the actual poling numbers, it is still close. If Biden loses it will be because of Twitter and the Left Wing media reporting on Biden's every stutter while completely ignoring Project 2025 or the fact that Trump appeared almost 70 times in the newly unsealed Epstein documents. No presidential candidate has ever dropped after winning the primary and the two times candidates have dropped out at all, the opposing party won by a landslide. There is quite literally no chance any candidate would be able to beat Trump with 4 months until the election. Edited July 8 by favorite crime 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 21 minutes ago, favorite crime said: If Biden loses it will be because of Twitter and the Left Wing media You calling anyone hopeless but then offering up this kind of incoherent hot tske...embarrassing. there's no such thing as left wing media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favorite crime Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 10 minutes ago, Communion said: You calling anyone hopeless but then offering up this kind of incoherent hot tske...embarrassing. there's no such thing as left wing media. The fighting over semantics now. I also find it funny how you guys just choose to only quote a sentence and ignore the rest. I'm talking about CNN, The New York Times etc ... Media publications who typically support Democrats. Call them what you want. They are all now filled with Anti-Biden news reports while ignoring anything Trump is doing 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favorite crime Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 59 minutes ago, byzantium said: The reason why this reasoning fails is because it hinges on the idea that a party is entitled to your vote. If you were truly terrified of the points you listed, you would be vigorously advocating for Biden to step down and also currently fighting these moves that are already happening. But currently Centrist democrats are rather complacent in the bullet points you listed because they are not terrified of those events happening, but terrified that it may make Biden look bad. Guilt-tripping works when one of the candidates has a sense of moral leadership. But when one candidate is promising the eradication of a people, you cannot guilt trip people into voting or supporting that person because the other person might do it faster. The rhetoric only increases voter apathy and withdrawal. The bottom-line point is, if you want Biden to win, you need to convince people why he is a good leader and calm their reservations. What type of backwards, fallacious argument is this? So now wanting Biden to win means you support Trump's policies? Biden stepping down and an alternate candidate beating Trump is not a realistic option. There is no precedent and no serious political analyst will tell you there's a chance of that happening. It's clear that you people are the ones who don't care about the many terrible life-altering consequences of another Trump administration. Your Biden hate seems more important. It has nothing to do with entitlement and arguing like that makes it sound like you are just angry at the democratic party and want to punish them. Are your personal feelings really more important than human rights? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 32 minutes ago, favorite crime said: What type of backwards, fallacious argument is this? So now wanting Biden to win means you support Trump's policies? Biden stepping down and an alternate candidate beating Trump is not a realistic option. There is no precedent and no serious political analyst will tell you there's a chance of that happening. It's clear that you people are the ones who don't care about the many terrible life-altering consequences of another Trump administration. Your Biden hate seems more important. It has nothing to do with entitlement and arguing like that makes it sound like you are just angry at the democratic party and want to punish them. Are your personal feelings really more important than human rights? Sigh, You centrists really would rather spend your time dividing the coalition than generating electoral support. Most of us say we are terrified of the prospect of Trump winning, but it seems only some of us actually act like we want to avoid it at all costs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylena Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, favorite crime said: Are your personal feelings really more important than human rights? Biden cultists saying this but then completely ignoring what's happening in Gaza. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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