Monday Night Messiah Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Gaga did it. Beyoncé has now just done it (and took credit for Shaboozey's success despite him already on that trajectory pre-Cowboy Slacker). And so many others did it too. Do you believe them? Or is it cope and cap?
State of Grace. Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Every single artist signed to a major label cares about success/charts to a certain degree. Some more than others obviously. 5
futuresuperstar2023 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Beyonce is the reason why he is getting that success lmfao. I don't understand why in 2024 Y'all still bitter at Beyonce success and legacy after all these years. Beyonce simply said she doesn't care about sales and charts like she used to when she was younger. Beyonce never said she wants her music to not be a success. When has Bey ever said she wants to flop? Bey just don't care about doing promo and being relatable to the basic ass GP 2
MasterExpose Posted July 6 Posted July 6 I only believe those artist who flopped since the beginning of their carrier but kept going until they finally hit it and managed to book arenas.
Illuminati Posted July 6 Posted July 6 I think they're trying to convince themselves more than others in order to keep going 2
alexrex Posted July 6 Posted July 6 I only believe the artists I like The other ones are liars ans hypocrites 1 4
Bloodflowers. Posted July 6 Posted July 6 If they served non-commercial work then sure, but pop girls who seek current music trends with pop albums and flop are lying
AvadaKedavra Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) The small indie ones probably dont care that much but the mainstream ones....... They all suffer but pretend they dont. If you work hard in something u want things to work. It can be homework-projects-family things Specially when their projects are gargantuan and have so much money-millions of dollars invested in them. Look how depressed was Gaga with the artpop flop. Katy after witness. Xtina with Bionic Miley when plastic hearts was badly managed by rca. Taylor when Reputation didnt get grammy noms. Madonna suffered a lot with the Erotica backlash The labels are also less supportive of them once they flop and sometimes can be abusive like it happened to Kesha with Warrior underperforming or just replace them with new artists. Artists are not dumb. They know their careers are expendable and they get worried about their future like we all. They get poorer once their career is goin down in flames and the rich-wealthy are never satisfied with Money. They want more and more. You have all the attention in the world and suddenly nobody cares about you. Can be hard. So many artists also live when they get smashes unexpectedly. Look how happy Sabrina looks with her two monster hits. Tinashe with nasty.........u can see the happiness in their faces. Theyre livin the high life. Theyre in the top of the world.... Im totally sure Dua Lipa is trying her best to be a radical optimist but deep inside she's real sad about the mid-performance of her record and singles she cries in the night in her expensive bed or luxury bathtub Just an example of many Edited July 6 by AvadaKedavra 1
MidnightsAtPeace Posted July 6 Posted July 6 8 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: They all suffer but pretend they dont. If you work hard in something u want things to work. It can be homework-projects-family things Low how depressed was Gaga with the artpop flop. Katy after witness. Xtina with Bionic Miley when plastic hearts was badly managed by rca. Taylor when Reputation didnt get grammy noms. Madonna suffered a lot with the Erotica backlash The labels are also less supportive of them once they flop and sometimes can be abusive like it happened to Kesha with Warrior underperforming Artists not dumb. They know their careers are expendable and they get worried. They get poorer once their career is goin down in flames. So many artists also live when they get smashes. Look how happy Sabrina looks with her two monster hits. Tinashe with nasty.........u can see the happiness in their faces. Theyre livin the high life. Im totally sure Dua Lipa is trying her best to be a radical optimist but she's real sad about the underperformance of her record she cries in the night in her expensive bed or luxury bath-thub Just an example of many THIS I'm tired of stans claiming their A-list favs don't care about charts and commercial success. Every pop girl has had history of being overly obsessed with external validation and commercial success, but once they flop and fall from grace, they have to pretend they make music only for the arts. Obviously, when you are an artist and you make art, you want to be recognized and praised for it. No sane person on earth would volunteerly make something people would hate or not support. And it's not even soley about Hollywood or the music industry. Everyone wants to be recognized and appreciated for their work, whether they're a poet, a singer, a painter, an actor, a designer etc. 1
KillingYourCareer Posted July 6 Posted July 6 They're all mainstream pop artists releasing out of pure greed/contract requirements. There's no soul to any pop girl album we listen to and we should all accept that.
AvadaKedavra Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MidnightsAtPeace said: THIS I'm tired of stans claiming their A-list favs don't care about charts and commercial success. Every pop girl has had history of being overly obsessed with external validation and commercial success, but once they flop and fall from grace, they have to pretend they make music only for the arts. Obviously, when you are an artist and you make art, you want to be recognized and praised for it. No sane person on earth would volunteerly make something people would hate or not support. And it's not even soley about Hollywood or the music industry. Everyone wants to be recognized and appreciated for their work, whether they're a poet, a singer, a painter, an actor, a designer etc. I think some of the independent and indie small ones care a lot about their success too....... Artists like Tinashe or Rina Sawayama even with their small fanbases. They have to invest from their own money for the album recording-music videos-tours-photoshoots.... If fans dont play their music and they dont get any support. They will lose all that money. To have a small career is algo a big financial risk. i remember an article about how small indie artists cant do live shows anymore cause is too expensive for them https://adambernard.blogspot.com/2023/01/indie-roundtable-state-of-touring-in.html music is not profitable anymore...Without touring youre basically broke as an artist. Edited July 6 by AvadaKedavra
Imagine Dragon Posted July 6 Posted July 6 I am pretty sure all of the artists signed to major labels care about their chart performance. Maybe not exactly if they hit #1, but they cerrainly want their singles and albums to be sold and streamed, and have longevity. It is like all 9-5 employees - you care about how you do your job and how your performance is - your future career and salary depends on it.
burninredhot Posted July 6 Posted July 6 No they're just coping But to be fair they're humans with feelings too just like the rest of us so the behavior (tho it's cringe/fake) is understandable
thatsmydemi Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Depends on the efforts they put into the era. I won't believe that if it's coming from someone who keeps releasing new versions, remixes, etc. However, if it comes from someone who has done nothing to have success, then maybe it's true. Flopping could hurt artists badly, they could even get dropped from their label. 1
alfonso12 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Depends on the music. There are times when you hear an album that's so risky you can tell they were just doing what they wanted to do instead of pleasing the masses. 1
Xtripped Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Well, my fave said that before releasing Stripped, she said that long before her first flop.
$ebert Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, bielneira said: Depends on who's saying that. This. Kesha releasing Gag Order was definitely a statement, experimental and very different. But if they release a generic album or song, with no creative vision but to chart, I won't believe it.
RoughOperator Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said: The small indie ones probably dont care that much but the mainstream ones....... They all suffer but pretend they dont. If you work hard in something u want things to work. It can be homework-projects-family things Specially when their projects are gargantuan and have so much money-millions of dollars invested in them. Look how depressed was Gaga with the artpop flop. Katy after witness. Xtina with Bionic Miley when plastic hearts was badly managed by rca. Taylor when Reputation didnt get grammy noms. Madonna suffered a lot with the Erotica backlash The labels are also less supportive of them once they flop and sometimes can be abusive like it happened to Kesha with Warrior underperforming or just replace them with new artists. Artists are not dumb. They know their careers are expendable and they get worried about their future like we all. They get poorer once their career is goin down in flames and the rich-wealthy are never satisfied with Money. They want more and more. You have all the attention in the world and suddenly nobody cares about you. Can be hard. So many artists also live when they get smashes unexpectedly. Look how happy Sabrina looks with her two monster hits. Tinashe with nasty.........u can see the happiness in their faces. Theyre livin the high life. Theyre in the top of the world.... Im totally sure Dua Lipa is trying her best to be a radical optimist but deep inside she's real sad about the mid-performance of her record and singles she cries in the night in her expensive bed or luxury bathtub Just an example of many Sometimes I think it's wild how meta the Radical Optimism concept can be? Like, the whole flop thing... Kinda gives it a narrative way more than if it had been a success lol? Something she can look back in interviews and say "Yeah, Radical Optimism was really the keyword for those moments, I went through hard times during the period of my third record's but I tried to endure it". It would be crazy if she'd be able to actually rebound during the era with one last single or something to give it even more meta real life narrative hahah.
Freakshowvato Posted July 6 Posted July 6 If theyre established names and had multiple successful eras, yes. ofc they want success, but will the lack of success change their life drastically? For most probably not much.
Freakshowvato Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Also does depend on the material as well: is it personal or generic? Is it catering and pandering or is it stemming from a personal and creative space? Is it experimental or is it cookie cutter?
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