ohjulia Posted July 4 Posted July 4 How is this racist...? So now I have to insert anyone's ***** in my hole even though I'm not attracted to them to appease society?
Expensive Taste Posted July 4 Posted July 4 Okay, this is a sensitive matter, all comments are on thin ice, be careful.
dinorhino Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, modeblock said: this is a sticky issue because people clearly have preferences, but we also fail to acknowledge how much our environment / worldview affects those preferences. this app looks like it's the type to reinforce close-minded ideals of what a partner should be, instead of opening up the eyes of users to also see people they would have never considered before. This is pretending like apps that lack features to do this aren't rampant with discriminatory selection. The only thing those apps do is make the users work a little bit harder to filter out people that are not their preferences but it never deters anyone from being prejudiced/having certain preferences People also like to cherry pick what is a valid preference or not. No one is going to critique a Muslim who wants to date another Muslim. Wanting to date intra-racially~ethnically, whether you are a minority or not, is generally the norm as most people typically are most attracted to people most similar to themselves. Also, if you are not taking the time to unpack people's reasonings it's kind of wacky to just blanketly say a preference is inherently problematic or closed minded.
glitch Posted July 4 Author Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Cain said: Not the nationalities and then ''muslim guys" "Spiritual people" is the one taking me out
Saint James Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Saintlor said: Awful name choice for an app. If anyone searches Dua on a search engine or social media, Dua Lipa will always come up with all the search results she's only half. there's other results too.
Communion Posted July 4 Posted July 4 20 minutes ago, ohjulia said: How is this racist...? So now I have to insert anyone's ***** in my hole even though I'm not attracted to them to appease society? I genuinely don't get how people who do this kind of counter-argument - "so I have to **** everyone??" - thinks anyone is taking their approach in good faith. You can't possibly be that simple to think people who find such problematic generalizations are arguing you don't have autonomy over who you sleep with. 1 3
ohjulia Posted July 4 Posted July 4 23 minutes ago, Communion said: I genuinely don't get how people who do this kind of counter-argument - "so I have to **** everyone??" - thinks anyone is taking their approach in good faith. You can't possibly be that simple to think people who find such problematic generalizations are arguing you don't have autonomy over who you sleep with. Uh. I do have automy, which is ******* wild that people find having a preference, racism. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't want to date me because they're not attracted to hispanics... and guess what? it's perfectly okay. The world won't end because people don't find me attractive.
MALAMENTE Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ohjulia said: Uh. I do have automy, which is ******* wild that people find having a preference, racism. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't want to date me because they're not attracted to hispanics... and guess what? it's perfectly okay. The world won't end because people don't find me attractive. But I don't think not being attracted to an ethnic group or race is a preference. I consider preferences stuff like hair color, line of work, ideology... People not liking hispanics/latinos may be "accepted" in our world but that doesn't mean it is ok Edited July 4 by MALAMENTE
JonginBey Posted July 4 Posted July 4 51 minutes ago, ohjulia said: How is this racist...? So now I have to insert anyone's ***** in my hole even though I'm not attracted to them to appease society? The sex addiction stays jumping OUT. 1
Gesamtkunstwerk Posted July 4 Posted July 4 9 minutes ago, ohjulia said: Uh. I do have automy, which is ******* wild that people find having a preference, racism. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't want to date me because they're not attracted to hispanics... and guess what? it's perfectly okay. The world won't end because people don't find me attractive. Sounds like you had to defend your preferences multiple times since you're so pressed right at the get go 1
SinnerCity Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Saintlor said: Awful name choice for an app. If anyone searches Dua on a search engine or social media, Dua Lipa will always come up with all the search results As she should 1
alexrex Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, ohjulia said: How is this racist...? So now I have to insert anyone's ***** in my hole even though I'm not attracted to them to appease society? 1
modeblock Posted July 4 Posted July 4 52 minutes ago, dinorhino said: This is pretending like apps that lack features to do this aren't rampant with discriminatory selection. The only thing those apps do is make the users work a little bit harder to filter out people that are not their preferences but it never deters anyone from being prejudiced/having certain preferences People also like to cherry pick what is a valid preference or not. No one is going to critique a Muslim who wants to date another Muslim. Wanting to date intra-racially~ethnically, whether you are a minority or not, is generally the norm as most people typically are most attracted to people most similar to themselves. Also, if you are not taking the time to unpack people's reasonings it's kind of wacky to just blanketly say a preference is inherently problematic or closed minded. It's just by definition, closed-minded to only consider certain groups of people and to automatically remove entire other groups from your pool of interests, without so much as a consideration. And since most of the world is prejudiced, it does actually fit right into the desired features for those type of users. That doesn't make it morally right because we know who these types of features favor. Is it not enough that you can select your potential partner's age, sex, height, weight, religious affiliation, etc.? Speaking of religious affiliation, we need to remember not to conflate a preference for a certain cultural identity with plain ol' racism.
dinorhino Posted July 4 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, modeblock said: It's just by definition, closed-minded to only consider certain groups of people and to automatically remove entire other groups from your pool of interests, without so much as a consideration. And since most of the world is prejudiced, it does actually fit right into the desired features for those type of users. That doesn't make it morally right because we know who these types of features favor. Is it not enough that you can select your potential partner's age, sex, height, weight, religious affiliation, etc.? Speaking of religious affiliation, we need to remember not to conflate a preference for a certain cultural identity with plain ol' racism. If people have been doing the exact same thing without those filters readily available for them then what's going to change? They're going to look for who they want to regardless of if the search engine makes it easier for them so the search engine isn't what's inherently racist, it's the userbase that should be in question but there's nothing so far that shows the userbase of this app is more racist compared to other apps. And preference for a certain cultural identity is why I brought up ethnicity because, like I said, for the most part people are most attracted to people who look like them and have similar backgrounds as them. And I'm not sure why it seems like you're implying prejudice on the basis of ethnicity/culture is lesser than prejudice on the basis of race. You have many violent events that have historically occurred based off of differences in culture rather than 'race'. Just like there are valid reasons to prefer dating intra-racially, there are very valid reasons to want to only want to date someone of the same ethnic group as you.
modeblock Posted July 4 Posted July 4 6 minutes ago, dinorhino said: If people have been doing the exact same thing without those filters readily available for them then what's going to change? They're going to look for who they want to regardless of if the search engine makes it easier for them so the search engine isn't what's inherently racist, it's the userbase that should be in question but there's nothing so far that shows the userbase of this app is more racist compared to other apps. And preference for a certain cultural identity is why I brought up ethnicity because, like I said, for the most part people are most attracted to people who look like them and have similar backgrounds as them. And I'm not sure why it seems like you're implying prejudice on the basis of ethnicity/culture is lesser than prejudice on the basis of race. You have many violent events that have historically occurred based off of differences in culture rather than 'race'. Just like there are valid reasons to prefer dating intra-racially, there are very valid reasons to want to only want to date someone of the same ethnic group as you. Okay, but their ad literally says "I ONLY date.... Dutch guys" Does that sound okay to you? That's not the same as a muslim saying I ONLY date muslims because of their family dynamics and religion. Muslims come in all colors, so that doesn't necessarily imply that two muslims will look alike. These are not the same, and you're trying to make them the same. The CEO himself said it was meant to provocative, why is it provocative? Because it's giving a lil' wink to racist hags.
RoughOperator Posted July 4 Posted July 4 3 hours ago, sunbathinganimal said: Albanians being there too nnnn I looked it up and found out that its creators are actually albanian💀 and also like the whole video ad on their site is in albanian, so that also explains the name of the app
sunbathinganimal Posted July 4 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, RoughOperator said: I looked it up and found out that its creators are actually albanian💀 and also like the whole video ad on their site is in albanian, so that also explains the name of the app I don't speak Albanian but I can if you like 5
dinorhino Posted July 4 Posted July 4 27 minutes ago, modeblock said: Okay, but their ad literally says "I ONLY date.... Dutch guys" Does that sound okay to you? That's not the same as a muslim saying I ONLY date muslims because of their family dynamics and religion. Muslims come in all colors, so that doesn't necessarily imply that two muslims will look alike. These are not the same, and you're trying to make them the same. The CEO himself said it was meant to provocative, why is it provocative? Because it's giving a lil' wink to racist hags. As I said before, in the thread one of the developers/owners of the website commented that what is pictured is an option just like having no filters. Irrespective of that, no I don't find an issue with it at all since people would do the same thing anyways without it. So it literally is doing nothing more than what's already existing on apps. You're racialising Muslims whereas I was bringing it up from a cultural perspective to liken it with ethnicity. Reducing everything to race is an extremely reductive way of viewing the differences between people and how they exist outside of the US. Despite being both white, for example, are you going to tell a Ukrainian person they're prejudiced for not wanting to date a Russian? Do you want to go tell an Ashkenazi Jew they're being discriminatory for not wanting to date not only a non-Jew but a German? Lol. For example, in multiple denominations of Judaism there is a heavy emphasis on the maternal line being Jewish and so for Jewish men that means exclusively dating someone who is Jewish. And in addition to that in some sects there is also practice of whoever the father is dictates the style of Judaism the child should be raised under, such as Mizrahi vs Ashkenazi vs Sephardic which further narrows the available dating pool to people who adhere to that. Do you want to go tell them they're being prejudiced for not wanting to date non Jews? No one is obligated to a date. Yes preferences can be prejudiced/have bad reasoning behind it but as I said before it's unfair and not wise to just say having it in general is problematic when everyone has it. If you're not going to sit down with a person and investigate if their preferences have a problematic nature then you need to not comment on it, truthfully
modeblock Posted July 4 Posted July 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, dinorhino said: As I said before, in the thread one of the developers/owners of the website commented that what is pictured is an option just like having no filters. Irrespective of that, no I don't find an issue with it at all since people would do the same thing anyways without it. So it literally is doing nothing more than what's already existing on apps. You're racialising Muslims whereas I was bringing it up from a cultural perspective to liken it with ethnicity. Reducing everything to race is an extremely reductive way of viewing the differences between people and how they exist outside of the US. Despite being both white, for example, are you going to tell a Ukrainian person they're prejudiced for not wanting to date a Russian? Do you want to go tell an Ashkenazi Jew they're being discriminatory for not wanting to date not only a non-Jew but a German? Lol. For example, in multiple denominations of Judaism there is a heavy emphasis on the maternal line being Jewish and so for Jewish men that means exclusively dating someone who is Jewish. And in addition to that in some sects there is also practice of whoever the father is dictates the style of Judaism the child should be raised under, such as Mizrahi vs Ashkenazi vs Sephardic which further narrows the available dating pool to people who adhere to that. Do you want to go tell them they're being prejudiced for not wanting to date non Jews? No one is obligated to a date. Yes preferences can be prejudiced/have bad reasoning behind it but as I said before it's unfair and not wise to just say having it in general is problematic when everyone has it. If you're not going to sit down with a person and investigate if their preferences have a problematic nature then you need to not comment on it, truthfully I feel this conversation has run its course, but I want to point out that your defense of this app is basically "who cares, everyone is already prejudiced, what's so special about this one app?" Okay, sure, but I had already addressed that earlier by pointing out that this type of feature was likely to be useful for their users because most of the world is prejudiced. I understand that people want to date people that look like them. They have every right to use whatever parameter or standard they want to select their partner. With that in mind, I have every right to call this app racist when their advertisement is playing into racist bs to elicit controversy. Edited July 5 by modeblock 1
Gesi Posted July 4 Posted July 4 The app is Albanian they introduced in radio 2 years ago(i don't believe dating apps), but is funny "Dua" name popularity in different marketing and business skyrocket 5000%
dinorhino Posted July 5 Posted July 5 7 hours ago, modeblock said: I feel this conversation has run its course, but I want to point out that your defense of this app is basically "who cares, everyone is already prejudiced, what's so special about this one app?" Okay, sure, but I had already addressed that earlier by pointing out that this type of feature was likely to be useful for their users because most of the world is prejudiced. I understand that people want to date people that look like them. They have every right to use whatever parameter or standard they want to select their partner. With that in mind, I have every right to call this app racist when their advertisement is playing into racist bs to elicit controversy. My defence is more so "with or without this precise filtering feature everyone would literally do the exact same thing/showcase the same behaviour anyways so it truly doesn't matter" Also the fact that preferences are not inherently problematic and there are many reasons someone may want to either exclude certain people or date exclusively intra-racially~intra-ethnically. In my mind it's not that much different than when many bi people wanting to be in heterosexual relationships because of the judgment and safety concerns that come with being in same-sex relationships. They are excluding same-sex partners so that's just as discriminatory in my opinion but the reasoning makes sense.
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