BadHabits Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Gaga is more polarising than Taylor has ever been and used her platform to talk about issues that Taylor would never do. Her music is aimed at the gays whereas Taylor is more accessible and safe. Taylor is more concerned with appealing to Democrats and Republicans, the whole of America. She also has a very America's Sweetheart image which is very safe. Gaga is an amazing performer who can sing amazing and do choreography. Taylor is more relatable because she's not a strong singer, and aside from that, doesn't do choreo or put on great performances. Her best albums are 1989, Folklore and Evermore. Reputation is pretty good but Lover and TTPD are overstuffed and are about quantity over quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Aurora Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 On 7/4/2024 at 2:53 AM, HASHTAGPOW said: Gaga is only 5'1 THIS LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankvert Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Just in case YALL forgot btw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuper Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 32 minutes ago, frankvert said: Just in case YALL forgot btw And? Taylor is the first person ever who has 4 AOTY's … 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankvert Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, zuper said: And? Taylor is the first person ever who has 4 AOTY's … And Taylor is one of the main reasons why the AOTY trophy is losing its prestige Regardless, Gaga achieved more with 1 movie (!) than Taylor, after numerous failed attempts at acting / getting awards with movie songs since 2010… So not sure how Gaga hasn't achieved the heights of Taylor when Gaga has accomplished (and will accomplish) more than Taylor can ever dream of in Hollywood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marry The Gods Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 2 hours ago, zuper said: And? Taylor is the first person ever who has 4 AOTY's … I guess that's says more about the Grammy committee and their lack of taste Gaga isn't losing sleep over an AOTY loss. And we know Taylor is going to strive for an Oscar in the future. She has a lot of work to do if she wants to be taken seriously as an actress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuper Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 25 minutes ago, frankvert said: And Taylor is one of the main reasons why the AOTY trophy is losing its prestige Regardless, Gaga achieved more with 1 movie (!) than Taylor, after numerous failed attempts at acting / getting awards with movie songs since 2010… So not sure how Gaga hasn't achieved the heights of Taylor when Gaga has accomplished (and will accomplish) more than Taylor can ever dream of in Hollywood 1 minute ago, Marry The Gods said: I guess that's says more about the Grammy committee and their lack of taste Gaga isn't losing sleep over an AOTY loss. And we know Taylor is going to strive for an Oscar in the future. She has a lot of work to do if she wants to be taken seriously as an actress. So you both need to argue with Gaga's serious taking acting career and songs for movies against Taylor's little side projects and "I want to play a cat in cat school" acting in the movie industry while dominating the music industry all because you can't compare Gaga's music career to Taylor's heights And funny, AOTY loosing its prestige because Taylor won it 4 times but the Oscars aren't just because Gaga won one? So the argument is, that people who like Taylor have no taste? And yes, she has work to do for an Oscar but hopefully she doesn't need to kill her past music career and artistry. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalism Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 52 minutes ago, frankvert said: And Taylor is one of the main reasons why the AOTY trophy is losing its prestige Regardless, Gaga achieved more with 1 movie (!) than Taylor, after numerous failed attempts at acting / getting awards with movie songs since 2010… So not sure how Gaga hasn't achieved the heights of Taylor when Gaga has accomplished (and will accomplish) more than Taylor can ever dream of in Hollywood The fact that monsters keep acting like she won an Oscar for acting and not the Juicy J category is still funny. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankvert Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Digitalism said: The fact that monsters keep acting like she won an Oscar for acting and not the Juicy J category is still funny. And Bowie couldn't even see a SINGLE nomination, meanwhile Gaga has 5 across both disciplines. PANNED Labyrinth indeed! 56 minutes ago, zuper said: So you both need to argue with Gaga's serious taking acting career and songs for movies against Taylor's little side projects and "I want to play a cat in cat school" acting in the movie industry while dominating the music industry all because you can't compare Gaga's music career to Taylor's heights And funny, AOTY loosing its prestige because Taylor won it 4 times but the Oscars aren't just because Gaga won one? So the argument is, that people who like Taylor have no taste? And yes, she has work to do for an Oscar but hopefully she doesn't need to kill her past music career and artistry. There are so many fundamental inaccuracies here it will be hard to unpack, but let's try. 1. Taylor's AOTY wins are objectively controversial, across online/real life discourse and the media. A Google search would show you this, but I'm gonna put some here for your reference. https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-taylor-swift-winning-album-of-the-year-grammy-would-be-wrong https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/grammys-2016-noone-can-believe-kendrick-lamar-didn-t-get-album-or-record-of-the-year-a6876446.html https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/17/11024174/kendrick-lamar-grammys-hip-hop 2. Taylor has released COUNTLESS attempts at trying to sneak an Oscar nom but she hasn't been able to score a single NOM yet, nvm a win. Meanwhile, all of Gaga's contributions to film soundtracks except one (Hello, Hello) have been nominated for Oscars. - Crazier (2009) - Today Was A Fairytale (2010) - Jump then Fall (2010) - Safe & Sound (2012) - Eyes Open (2012) - Sweeter Than Fiction (2013) - I Don't Wanna Live Forever (2017) - Beautiful Ghosts (2019) - Mcavity (2019) - Only the Young (2020) - Carolina (2022) 3. CATS and Amsterdam were blatant attempts at crossing over to acting and both were COLOSSAL, CRITICALLY AND COMMERCIALLY PANNED, MEGABOMBS. Even House of Gucci, a mildly received film critically was a BOX OFFICE HIT during the 2nd wave of the COVID Pandemic, defying expectations, and earning Gaga the title of "butts-in-seats-movie star" from publications such as Forbes. 4. Lastly, and the most EMBARRASSING by far, was Taylor's FAILED attempt at being nominated by the Directing branch of the Academy with the ATW music video that she touted as a "short film." She campaigned HARD but was ultimately laughed out of the conversation. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2022-12-22/oscars-shortlist-2023-all-too-well-taylor-swift#:~:text=The 2023 Oscars shortlist for,in another category next year. Come CORRECT when you want to talk about Gaga's achievements, especially in Hollywood with her acting career. You can count on one hand the women who achieved as much as Gaga, and Taylor is not one of them. Edited July 10 by frankvert 1 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheromosa Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Taylor has been cultivating this moment from day 1, it takes YEARS, and the pay off now is just insane. Gaga blew up basically on day 1…I think she should have been shitting out albums directly after BTW, like 1 a year. The Artpop roll out really sunk her ship for awhile. I think it's a lack of confidence and team dysfunction that was her downfall. Apples to Oranges 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aden Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, frankvert said: And Bowie couldn't even see a SINGLE nomination, meanwhile Gaga has 5 across both disciplines. PANNED Labyrinth indeed! There are so many fundamental inaccuracies here it will be hard to unpack, but let's try. 1. Taylor's AOTY wins are objectively controversial, across online/real life discourse and the media. A Google search would show you this, but I'm gonna put some here for your reference. https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-taylor-swift-winning-album-of-the-year-grammy-would-be-wrong https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/grammys-2016-noone-can-believe-kendrick-lamar-didn-t-get-album-or-record-of-the-year-a6876446.html https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/17/11024174/kendrick-lamar-grammys-hip-hop 2. Taylor has released COUNTLESS attempts at trying to sneak an Oscar nom but she hasn't been able to score a single NOM yet, nvm a win. Meanwhile, all of Gaga's contributions to film soundtracks except one (Hello, Hello) have been nominated for Oscars. - Crazier (2009) - Today Was A Fairytale (2010) - Jump then Fall (2010) - Safe & Sound (2012) - Eyes Open (2012) - Sweeter Than Fiction (2013) - I Don't Wanna Live Forever (2017) - Beautiful Ghosts (2019) - Mcavity (2019) - Only the Young (2020) - Carolina (2022) 3. CATS and Amsterdam were blatant attempts at crossing over to acting and both were COLOSSAL, CRITICALLY AND COMMERCIALLY PANNED, MEGABOMBS. Even House of Gucci, a mildly received film critically was a BOX OFFICE HIT during the 2nd wave of the COVID Pandemic, defying expectations, and earning Gaga the title of "butts-in-seats-movie star" from publications such as Forbes. 4. Lastly, and the most EMBARRASSING by far, was Taylor's FAILED attempt at being nominated by the Directing branch of the Academy. She campaigned hard but was ultimately laughed out of the conversation. Come CORRECT when you want to talk about Gaga's achievements, especially in Hollywood with her acting career. You can count on one hand the women who achieved as much as Gaga, and Taylor is not one of them. Gaga achieved what Taylor achieved: a huge commercial peak. Not as large as Taylor's, but a huge peak that occupied the cultural zeitgeist nonetheless. Taylor, or really any peer, is unlikely to ever achieve what Gaga achieved in her hybrid massive music and film success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuper Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 hours ago, frankvert said: And Bowie couldn't even see a SINGLE nomination, meanwhile Gaga has 5 across both disciplines. PANNED Labyrinth indeed! There are so many fundamental inaccuracies here it will be hard to unpack, but let's try. 1. Taylor's AOTY wins are objectively controversial, across online/real life discourse and the media. A Google search would show you this, but I'm gonna put some here for your reference. https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-taylor-swift-winning-album-of-the-year-grammy-would-be-wrong https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/grammys-2016-noone-can-believe-kendrick-lamar-didn-t-get-album-or-record-of-the-year-a6876446.html https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/17/11024174/kendrick-lamar-grammys-hip-hop 2. Taylor has released COUNTLESS attempts at trying to sneak an Oscar nom but she hasn't been able to score a single NOM yet, nvm a win. Meanwhile, all of Gaga's contributions to film soundtracks except one (Hello, Hello) have been nominated for Oscars. - Crazier (2009) - Today Was A Fairytale (2010) - Jump then Fall (2010) - Safe & Sound (2012) - Eyes Open (2012) - Sweeter Than Fiction (2013) - I Don't Wanna Live Forever (2017) - Beautiful Ghosts (2019) - Mcavity (2019) - Only the Young (2020) - Carolina (2022) 3. CATS and Amsterdam were blatant attempts at crossing over to acting and both were COLOSSAL, CRITICALLY AND COMMERCIALLY PANNED, MEGABOMBS. Even House of Gucci, a mildly received film critically was a BOX OFFICE HIT during the 2nd wave of the COVID Pandemic, defying expectations, and earning Gaga the title of "butts-in-seats-movie star" from publications such as Forbes. 4. Lastly, and the most EMBARRASSING by far, was Taylor's FAILED attempt at being nominated by the Directing branch of the Academy with the ATW music video that she touted as a "short film." She campaigned HARD but was ultimately laughed out of the conversation. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2022-12-22/oscars-shortlist-2023-all-too-well-taylor-swift#:~:text=The 2023 Oscars shortlist for,in another category next year. Come CORRECT when you want to talk about Gaga's achievements, especially in Hollywood with her acting career. You can count on one hand the women who achieved as much as Gaga, and Taylor is not one of them. 1) Are you really going down so low to ignore all the controversies with the Oscars and picking up random articles against Taylor's wins? As if Gaga's career wasn't build on controversies … and btw, just a quick google search and you would find all the praise Taylor's received. https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2024/02/08/frank-sinatras-family-congratulates-taylor-swift-on-breaking-his-grammy-record/ 2) So every soundtrack song is an attempt for the Oscar? Even when over half of them aren't even eligible beforehand? And did she just focused herself on those songs like the focus she put on studio albums? 3) Again, you're comparing Gaga's seriousness of an acting career AND main roles in two movies with Taylor's 7 minutes in Cats and 4 minutes in Amsterdam? Why don't you compare Taylor's last attempt as the main in the cinema with Gaga's last? House of Gucci: $ 166,2 Million The Eras Tour Film: $ 267,1 Million 4) You know Taylor is currently writing her own movie script for a movie she will direct? And you know she used ATW to connect with other movie makers? And you know she also was praised by them? https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/guillermo-del-toro-talks-taylor-swift-fairy-tales-1235184567/amp/ https://www.thewrap.com/taylor-swift-movie-director-rodrigo-prieto-comments/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2023/10/19/even-christopher-nolan-is-praising-taylor-swift-and-her-concert-film/ 5) I won't reply to y'all anymore. You can live in your bubble and compare Gaga's full time acting with 5 minutes of Taylor's only because you can't compare Gaga's music career to Taylor's. No one denies that Gaga has not the talent and hopefully Joker 2 will crack the billion, but don't act like Person of The Year, Most Successful Tour ever, first woman of 4 AOTY & having the biggest numbers in the streaming era is less worth than a Oscar for a Soundtrack song (which isn't solo). 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePopStop Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 The main reason: Taylor knows how to give her fans exactly what they want, even when changing things up. Meanwhile, Gaga became fixated on being "artistic" and "different" as well as trying to push her love of heavy metal and rock on her fans since Born This Way. I say this as someone whose been a Gaga fan since 2009. I've been envious of Swifties because it reminds me of the glory days of 2009-2013 for Gaga. I wish she served us with 30 track albums, unreleased vault tracks, and a new album every year or two. The other major reason: Gaga took numerous long breaks due to her physical and mental health issues, as well as diverting her focus to acting and classical music with Tony Bennett. Taylor has been very lucky to avoid the burnout and mental health issues that plague most celebrities. Had Gaga not had those struggles, she'd probably come close or been at where Taylor is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 8 hours ago, frankvert said: And Taylor is one of the main reasons why the AOTY trophy is losing its prestige Regardless, Gaga achieved more with 1 movie (!) than Taylor, after numerous failed attempts at acting / getting awards with movie songs since 2010… So not sure how Gaga hasn't achieved the heights of Taylor when Gaga has accomplished (and will accomplish) more than Taylor can ever dream of in Hollywood Let's try and see if Gaga can achieve that with a movie that's not a remake that's been done many times 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankvert Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 57 minutes ago, Josh said: Let's try and see if Gaga can achieve that with a movie that's not a remake that's been done many times Please give me a break 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanceAgain Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 On 7/4/2024 at 2:00 AM, Eternium said: In Taylor's peak, stans are just logging onto Stationhead or pressing play on a playlist that loops forgettable songs. Taylor's heights still haven't matched up to Gaga - she's never had an era with four global smashes. And when you count re-releases, Gaga had a peak with 7 global smashes and gargantuan album sales without multiple variants. Taylor is 14(?) eras in and has failed to match that every time. The Fame was a big success but its not the biggest Female album in existence, theres a scroll of female artists that have Sole albums that absolutely Piss all over the Fame. 4 global hits? Taylors 1989 album produced mire more than 4 hits And Taylor X4 successful then Gaga would ever be, How many times has Gaga opened with a million seller? Then the Streams just on Spotify alone, Gaga's entire total streams combined cant even match half of Taylor's Spotify streams. Taylor 86 billion Gaga 21 billion And i don't need to mention Touring stats. Im no fan of Taylor & prefer Gaga but you think Taylor hasn't surpassed The Fame? Shes not only surpassed it she's obliterated it. Taylors US streams alone probably equal out more in Equivalent album sales than Gaga has sold with all her albums Globally. Gaga peaked after her debut, seems the Fame didn't keep up the momentum. Taylor didn't match it despite all these re-realses but compare careers and stats today side by side... So your reply begs the question what actually went wrong? Having one off the biggest Female albums and eras in existence to a few years down the line to Joanne What happened? Why the massive nosedive.. shouldn't she be doing Taylor's numbers?. And don't with the excuses that she changed her style or whatever, shes released the same music from the start.. Did people not care for her any longer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longjohn9898 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 14 hours ago, frankvert said: And Bowie couldn't even see a SINGLE nomination, meanwhile Gaga has 5 across both disciplines. PANNED Labyrinth indeed! There are so many fundamental inaccuracies here it will be hard to unpack, but let's try. 1. Taylor's AOTY wins are objectively controversial, across online/real life discourse and the media. A Google search would show you this, but I'm gonna put some here for your reference. https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-taylor-swift-winning-album-of-the-year-grammy-would-be-wrong https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/grammys-2016-noone-can-believe-kendrick-lamar-didn-t-get-album-or-record-of-the-year-a6876446.html https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/17/11024174/kendrick-lamar-grammys-hip-hop 2. Taylor has released COUNTLESS attempts at trying to sneak an Oscar nom but she hasn't been able to score a single NOM yet, nvm a win. Meanwhile, all of Gaga's contributions to film soundtracks except one (Hello, Hello) have been nominated for Oscars. - Crazier (2009) - Today Was A Fairytale (2010) - Jump then Fall (2010) - Safe & Sound (2012) - Eyes Open (2012) - Sweeter Than Fiction (2013) - I Don't Wanna Live Forever (2017) - Beautiful Ghosts (2019) - Mcavity (2019) - Only the Young (2020) - Carolina (2022) 3. CATS and Amsterdam were blatant attempts at crossing over to acting and both were COLOSSAL, CRITICALLY AND COMMERCIALLY PANNED, MEGABOMBS. Even House of Gucci, a mildly received film critically was a BOX OFFICE HIT during the 2nd wave of the COVID Pandemic, defying expectations, and earning Gaga the title of "butts-in-seats-movie star" from publications such as Forbes. 4. Lastly, and the most EMBARRASSING by far, was Taylor's FAILED attempt at being nominated by the Directing branch of the Academy with the ATW music video that she touted as a "short film." She campaigned HARD but was ultimately laughed out of the conversation. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2022-12-22/oscars-shortlist-2023-all-too-well-taylor-swift#:~:text=The 2023 Oscars shortlist for,in another category next year. Come CORRECT when you want to talk about Gaga's achievements, especially in Hollywood with her acting career. You can count on one hand the women who achieved as much as Gaga, and Taylor is not one of them. Literally ended it and this thread in one post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longjohn9898 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 7 hours ago, Josh said: Let's try and see if Gaga can achieve that with a movie that's not a remake that's been done many times Taylor remakes her albums 87 times and creates 56 Oscar failed campaigns and you don't seem outraged by those and she still remains talentless and Oscarless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 4 minutes ago, longjohn9898 said: Taylor remakes her albums 87 times and creates 56 Oscar failed campaigns and you don't seem outraged by those and she still remains talentless and Oscarless and those campaigns are still bigger than Gaga's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longjohn9898 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 17 hours ago, zuper said: And? Taylor is the first person ever who has 4 AOTY's … You Swifties do realize that literally nobody even respects AOTY awards anymore because they've been repeatedly handed to safe (usually white) artists who appeal to the masses with minimal risk? Taylor winning 4 when she arguably didn't deserve a single one of them out speaks to her career always remaining in the safe lane, repeatedly releasing to appease audiences with virtually no artistic value. She's the McDonald's of music, reinventing a hamburger into a BigMac and calling it revolutionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longjohn9898 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, Josh said: and those campaigns are still bigger than Gaga's She paid for more people yes and she has had zero Oscar's and zero nominations for acting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 11 minutes ago, longjohn9898 said: You Swifties do realize that literally nobody even respects AOTY awards anymore because they've been repeatedly handed to safe (usually white) artists who appeal to the masses with minimal risk? Taylor winning 4 when she arguably didn't deserve a single one of them out speaks to her career always remaining in the safe lane, repeatedly releasing to appease audiences with virtually no artistic value. She's the McDonald's of music, reinventing a hamburger into a BigMac and calling it revolutionary No one meaning you? cause theyre still coveted by the likes of Yonce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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