Popular Post Communion Posted June 30 Popular Post Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, Anthinos said: I really don't understand how people can vote for far-right parties. Fascists exploit the contradictions of capitalism and scapegoat minorities as the reason behind people's falling material conditions instead of class warfare. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Aurora Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 I'm sick and tired of the far-right honestly. When will they go away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shimind Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Is marine la pen or whatever her name is, becoming the president then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shimind Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 4 hours ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: RIP western civilization. Far right + commitment to white supremacy and genocides has won. your statements are contradictory.. isnt that what western civilization has always been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 5 hours ago, Gui Blackout said: As it always is with France, the first round election is misleading due to the center-left and left votes being split between different parties and the right wing vote being centralized for RN. RN is strong, no doubt, but they'll likely lose again on the second round. The problem with this assumption is that the left is always expected to form a coalition with the centrists, but if the centrists don't make the top two, they aren't held to that same expectation. Most likely, the centrists will do as centrists do: they'll either side with the fascists or they'll go "both sides are too extreme for me so I'm staying home." I don't even see Macronists half-supporting Mélenchon the way Bernie supporters did with Biden and Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sannie Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Racism is one hellavuh drug. So sad to see so many people fall for it. Hoping the other two factions coalesce and do the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squall Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 12 hours ago, Bocanada said: It might be different this time, because it's far left against far right. The media are convincing the people that the danger comes from the left, and many people agree with that. Macron voters will either not go to vote or vote Le Pen rather than vote for the left. It's not far left, stop lying to people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocanada Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Squall said: It's not far left, stop lying to people Read the last page. i know it's not but, you can't deny that for the majority of people and media, it is. Edited July 1 by Bocanada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squall Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Just now, Bocanada said: Read the last page. I don't care, it's not far left stop spreading misinformation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squall Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 13 hours ago, Gui Blackout said: As it always is with France, the first round election is misleading due to the center-left and left votes being split between different parties and the right wing vote being centralized for RN. RN is strong, no doubt, but they'll likely lose again on the second round. 13 hours ago, loliza said: But still they're never going to win at the second round, no? It's always the same problem, the center helps the rise of the right, the left never goes all in because it needs to be moderate and if it goes in power becomes centerliberal. It's a ******* circle They are winning the second round. The main point is to avoid the absolute majority. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jglj Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 11 hours ago, shimind said: Is marine la pen or whatever her name is, becoming the president then? These are legislative elections, so the office of the president is not up for election (that'll be in 2027). The far right might get a prime minister in (leader of the national assembly - like the house of commons in the UK or the house of representatives in the US), but it all depends on the final results after the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prettyinpink940 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Not surprising at all. Austria will follow suit in the fall. This is what we get for letting Muslims in our country who refuse to work. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Phoenix Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 17 minutes ago, prettyinpink940 said: Not surprising at all. Austria will follow suit in the fall. This is what we get for letting Muslims in our country who refuse to work. This, it all started like 14 years ago, when the EU started to take refugees either from North Africa or from Turkey, Syria; etc. Now that's the main reason why people from those countries are so mad and willing to go to the far right, because they seem to think that they need to get the country back from the refugees and because they think that blacks and Muslims will become the majority in a few years. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shimind Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 8 hours ago, Jglj said: These are legislative elections, so the office of the president is not up for election (that'll be in 2027). The far right might get a prime minister in (leader of the national assembly - like the house of commons in the UK or the house of representatives in the US), but it all depends on the final results after the second round. so the president will just be a puppet ? will he have any real powers? what forced him to call these snap elections when his term ends in 2027? sorry for asking so many questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 6 hours ago, prettyinpink940 said: Not surprising at all. Austria will follow suit in the fall. This is what we get for letting Muslims in our country who refuse to work. Migrants are why there are no jobs but also all migrants are jobless? Huh? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.R.L Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 15 hours ago, Sannie said: Racism is one hellavuh drug. So sad to see so many people fall for it. Hoping the other two factions coalesce and do the right thing. Racism? There are immigrants themselves who vote for the far right 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jglj Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, shimind said: so the president will just be a puppet ? will he have any real powers? what forced him to call these snap elections when his term ends in 2027? sorry for asking so many questions... I must say, I'm not French, so someone might have a better insight into it. But the President of France is usually seen as one of the most powerful government position when compared to other democracies (e.g. UK, Germany, etc.). The president is the head of the executive branch, so they are in control of the armed forces, they also set the political agenda of the country and are responsible for diplomacy. They have the power to appoint the Prime Minister, albeit the National Assembly has to confirm this appointment with a vote, so usually the President picks someone from the largest party. The Presidential term is 5 years, as is the National Assembly, but the president can call a snap election for the National Assembly, which is the case here. In general terms, the system was created envisioning the National Assembly and the President to be on the same side and work together. The Prime Minister is the leader of the National Assembly and will share executive power with the President. When both are on the same party or coalition, it's all good as the PM will push for the President's agenda and all. Now when the National Assembly has the opposition leading, it's what is called a cohabitation government, in which most likely the PM will tip the scales. As for why he called the election, it was a surprise for everyone. The most common read is that after the far-right came out on top in the EU Parliament elections*, and his party flopped, he threw a gamble to the French people, forcing them to decide if they actually want a far right government; some say he did this so the left wouldn't have time to organise, so his party would get all the tactical votes against the far right; others say it's because he's going with the "France is not governable" approach and giving the people a taste of how bad the far right would be. But I think no one knows for sure why he did this. *The EU Parliament is one of the three main political entities of the union, it's the only one where EU citizens vote directly. These elections a lot of time get lower turnout than general elections, but they give some of the temperature of how people might vote in upcoming elections in some countries (the ones with higher turnout). The far right got around 30% of the votes in France. Important to note the EU is not a federation, so the EU parliament is not the same as a legislative branch of a country, but that's a whole another can of worms. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, A.R.L said: Racism? There are immigrants themselves who vote for the far right Wait until you find out how racism works. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.R.L Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 2 hours ago, Communion said: Wait until you find out how racism works. I got your point and it's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shelter Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Europe is going to fall imo. It's going to a mess in years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letemtalk Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 It's France, so of course they did. They carried out a genocide in Algeria - arguably at least two genocides, one during the French conquest of Algeria and another when the Algerian people had to fight a war to rid themselves of the colonial power. I'm not going to list the acts of torture and other atrocities that continued into the 1960s, the details are easy enough to find. France going far right is one of the least surprising things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 23 minutes ago, Shelter said: Europe is going to fall imo. It's going to a mess in years to come. China looking at all of this: Everything is going according to the plan. - Such a pathetic, pathetic world. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthinos Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 On 1.7.2024 at 22:22, A.R.L said: Rassismus? Es gibt selbst Einwanderer, die die extreme Rechte wählen And there are also gays who vote for the extreme right, are against LGBT rights, etc. It's about what these people stand for. Gays can also be homophobic and there are countless examples. What kind of logic is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy Day Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 18 hours ago, Letemtalk said: It's France, so of course they did. They carried out a genocide in Algeria - arguably at least two genocides, one during the French conquest of Algeria and another when the Algerian people had to fight a war to rid themselves of the colonial power. I'm not going to list the acts of torture and other atrocities that continued into the 1960s, the details are easy enough to find. France going far right is one of the least surprising things. hate france but "only" 10 million voted for far right while 35 million people voted against it. it's been like that forever and the far right always lose the second round, even tho this time is more dangerous. the majority of french people are against the right / far right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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