celeb news Katy Perry was warned

[suburbannature]

All of this for "sExY cOnFiDenT"

 

[PoisonPill]

6 minutes ago, Catch22 said:

If you keep rapists in your life, you're a monster. It's that simple.

So everyone must cut all contact with anyone that's ever been accused of SA - even if the claim was eventually dropped and the court found the accuser liable for defamation?

[Catch22]

4 minutes ago, halcyonday said:

Well looks like Katy believes Luke and not her. It's just that simple.

And what does that make her? Right.

[perfect blue]

thread title is giving:

 

 

[dumbsparce]

"Warned"  About what? She knew exactly what she was doing. That's a little too loaded of a word for a popstar desperate for hits.

[JC.]

Y'all are really selective with what you want to believe from DailyMail  

[halcyonday]

6 minutes ago, Catch22 said:

And what does that make her? Right.

Never said she was right. I'm trying to explain her pov on the situation of her ex friend talking about her behind her back that could lead to her not caring about her anymore. 

[TomTom]

4 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

and the court found the accuser liable for defamation?

But Kesha has not been convicted of defamation. Dr. Luke satisfied one element of defamation (falsity) and only when it comes to the Katy Perry text message, he would never have been able to satisfy the second one (malice). A false statement alone is not defamatory for a public figure. 

 

Likewise, he has not satisfied any prong of defamation when it comes to Kesha's claims about her own experiences with Dr. Luke.

 

The only way Kesha has been found "liable" is that the Katy Perry text message can be attributed to her because she wrote it, but she has never been found guilty of defamation for anything.

[burninredhot]

35 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

dailymail is the most unrelieable gossip source ever 

you guys are pointing this out as if it makes this situation any better or make katy look any less shameless   

[Trent W]

25 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

It's clear that Witness tanking and the backlash that came with it had a toll on her, but thinking this man was the reason for your success only screams insecurity. She could have called Max Martin (+his team), Cirkut, and Bonnie McKee if she was going for "let's give them a new version of Teenage Dream" without having to run back for this rapist. It's not like he has been having success with Pop stars recently, most of his hits are with rappers. And the song ended up being recycled garbage. She had some goodwill with all of her hits going viral and now she's being sent back to clown college.

I'll be honest, I really think she's just dumb and stupid

 

Like she's not smart

 

Let's not forget she was a dumb label bimbo when she was younger, she's just older now and didn't get any wiser.

 

The way she managed Rise in 2016, the witness era, the comments of Britney shaving her head in 2017. 
 

She had a very good team when she was younger and kept her a float for a few years but once she gained full control we saw her for who she really was

 

 

Edited June 25 by Trent W

[Saint James]

45 minutes ago, halcyonday said:

I don't trust unknown "dailymail insiders". Waiting for her to speak up. 

she won't, unless it's not true. anything she says would backfire so there's nothing she can do.

[UnusualBoy]

This is the dailymail which is less reliable than Rihanna saying she's working on #R9...

 

Either way, whoever thought working with Luke was a good idea, it's an idiot and should be slapped but well, if you insist on not using your brain, at least don't make a female empowering song with him. I like Katy but she's too stubborn and dumb at times that it amazes me.

Edited June 25 by UnusualBoy

[popmusicisdead]

"bbBut dAilYmAIL!!!1!!"

as if it takes more than two brain cells to recognize the fact that working with an alleged rapist to make a female empowerment anthem is a TERRIBLE IDEA

Edited June 25 by popmusicisdead

[PoisonPill]

6 minutes ago, TomTom said:

But Kesha has not been convicted of defamation. Dr. Luke satisfied one element of defamation (falsity) and only when it comes to the Katy Perry text message, he would never have been able to satisfy the second one (malice). A false statement alone is not defamatory for a public figure. 

 

Likewise, he has not satisfied any prong of defamation when it comes to Kesha's claims about her own experiences with Dr. Luke.

 

The only way Kesha has been found "liable" is that the Katy Perry text message can be attributed to her because she wrote it, but she has never been found guilty of defamation for anything.

This case occurred in civil court, not criminal, so no one can be "convicted." You're right that an appeals court overturned the public figure ruling against Kesha, I'd forgotten about that. I believe the defamation finding and the $400k penalty owed to Luke remained in place though?

 

But could you blame Katy for being upset at Kesha for going around telling other celebrities that Katy had been raped and was covering it up? Regardless of whether it's true or false (Katy says it's false), no one should ever rip away a survivor's privacy - especially not to help themselves win a lawsuit. 

[Jacobdaniel]

the fact that it's a female empowerment anthem produced by an alleged rapist.

the fact that people had to even warn her in the first place.

then the fact that she did it anyway.

 

mess.

[The_Bling]

11 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

But could you blame Katy for being upset at Kesha for going around telling other celebrities that Katy had been raped and was covering it up? Regardless of whether it's true or false (Katy says it's false), no one should ever rip away a survivor's privacy - especially not to help themselves win a lawsuit. 

Yes because she was only privately discussing that issue with Gaga because they'd both been told by another producer that he believed Katy was a victim of rape of Luke's as well, that information was only made public because Luke demanded so 

 

What even is this logic though? 'Well you assumed I was raped and that upset me, so I'm gonna work with your rapist and abuser for my next project' 

Edited June 25 by The_Bling

[TomTom]

4 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

This case occurred in civil court, not criminal, so no one can be "convicted."

The only difference is that the burden of proof in a criminal trial is "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is necessary to put you in prison. The burden of proof in a civil trial is "preponderance of the evidence" which can impose monetary fines on you. 

 

7 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

I believe the defamation finding and the $400k penalty owed to Luke remained in place though?

This money was paid for interest on royalty payments Kesha made to Dr. Luke. There was a technical dispute about whether Kesha must pay Dr. Luke interest on royalty payments she owed him for the time they did not work together. Kesha said no, Luke said yes and he ultimately won that. This issue had nothing to do with the defamation claims and Kesha never had to pay any money with respect to his defamation claims.

 

Furthermore, this was not part of the issues Kesha appealed before the jury trial was supposed to take place. Her lawyers wrote they would appeal this issue once there is a final judgment on all issues (that never happened due to the settlement).

[JC.]

9 minutes ago, popmusicisdead said:

"bbBut dAilYmAIL!!!1!!"

as if it takes more than two brain cells to recognize the fact that working with an alleged rapist to make a female empowerment anthem is a TERRIBLE IDEA

Then what is the point of this thread? If it is just a Katy dragfest, then title it as so. 

Katy is being dragged everywhere, do we need another thread to add to the mix where the same stuff is being repeated. 
 
This thread got closed fast, then so should this one. And I am not a Katy stan because I know y'all will attack them for the argument. 

[wkpw]

I really don't see which fans are turning their backs on her  

[Sombre]

To return to Dr. Luke is already a horrible move, but to make it about women empowerment? Natural Flop Selection (Katy's Version)

[ChooseyLover]

1 hour ago, halcyonday said:

But let's be real. The most important part is still that's she's working with him and it was her decision. Her label warning her doesn't matter. 

 

I can only imagine her thought process and if I remember correctly she called Kesha her friend last time in 2017. Then the leaks between her and Gaga became known and she found out what they were taking about behind her back. I can imagine Katy getting upset and 6 years later she just doesn't recognize Kesha as her friend, and let's be real. Barely anyone cares about people they stopped being friends with like 6-7 years ago. Especially when they find out they talked about them behind their back.

 

It's just my thought process and I may be wrong but in the end Katy is just a (stupid) human who makes mistakes too. She's not responsible for actions of men. What she's doing now isn't right but she's far from being a monster.

I would've loved to give Katy the benefit of the doubt this time and I've given it to her for years. In fact my last comment here on ATRL before I came back was that Witness was a masterpiece But at this point I'm not sure if she's goofy or shady or evil or just all of the above. I don't think she should be offended by a private conversation of Kesha and Stefani where they (mistakenly) assume she's been abused too. They do try and have empathy for her as a potential victim. And maybe she has been abused to a degree because things said and done by that man as confessed by other artists are really, really bad.

Katheryn needs a tough reality check, there's no other way around this. She really should be ashamed and even more as a mother of a daughter, who could also experience in the hands of a man what many women have experienced around Luke.

Edited June 25 by ChooseyLover

[Hobbes]

[wkpw]

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Edited June 25 by wkpw
it's duplicated sorry

[mercurialworld]

her team after seeing what ATRL thinks of all of this

 

[єѕℓαм]

Since she's so desperate for a hit 

let's see how this song gonna perform on the charts

it's gonna be a kii and a half