CroNich Posted June 27 Posted June 27 4 minutes ago, dumbsparce said: I had no idea Gaga and Katy were involved in the Kesha vs Luke ordeal. It's crazy to think that these women had to testify to court for such a serious case and at the same time some gay was creating yet another Applause vs Roar: bigger? thread Im pretty sure Kelly Clarkson, Pink and Adam Lambert were all deposed too? @TomTom 1
shyboi Posted June 27 Posted June 27 On 6/25/2024 at 1:04 PM, PoisonPill said: But could you blame Katy for being upset at Kesha for going around telling other celebrities that Katy had been raped and was covering it up? Regardless of whether it's true or false (Katy says it's false), no one should ever rip away a survivor's privacy - especially not to help themselves win a lawsuit. that never sat right with me 2
TomTom Posted June 27 Posted June 27 35 minutes ago, CroNich said: Im pretty sure Kelly Clarkson, Pink and Adam Lambert were all deposed too? @TomTom Adam Levine (not Adam Lambert) and P!nk signed an affidavit (no deposition), but yeah.
wkpw Posted June 27 Posted June 27 21 minutes ago, TomTom said: Adam Levine (not Adam Lambert) and P!nk signed an affidavit (no deposition), but yeah. what did they say?
Have A Break Posted June 27 Posted June 27 4 minutes ago, wkpw said: what did they say? https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/pink-dr-luke-refuses-work-abuse-allegations-karma-7989419/ "I know that regardless of whether or not Dr. Luke did that, this is his karma and he earned it," the mother of two said. "He doesn't do good business, he's not a kind person, he doesn't do the right thing when given ample opportunities to do so, and I don't really feel that bad for him." 1
iHype. Posted June 27 Posted June 27 16 hours ago, Communion said: Sis, did you lose power or something? @iHype. Why did you stop replying after this? No, I just actually try to be productive instead of chronically on ATRL engaging in debates like you That reply didn't really negate my point that EVERY person involved in the Katy rape rumor has a different story. The record label employee said in his disposition he never said it, Kesha said in her disposition he stated it as a fact, and Gaga said in her disposition he stated it as a hearsay rumor. When every single party involved in the rumor has a conflicting story then it's clear that shouldn't have been repeated outside of the original discussion and it was likely misconstrued in the following texts recapping it. Kesha and her lawyers also doubled down on saying Katy was possibly raped after she denied it saying her denial doesn't mean it can't have happened. They ignored her testimony and chose not to fully believe her, yet expect Katy to fully believe her and stand as a complete ally. Its contradictory and the proper thing to do would've been retracting any prior discussion on Katy being sexually assaulted and issuing an apology to her upon hearing she completely denied it. 6
Communion Posted June 27 Posted June 27 6 minutes ago, iHype. said: No, I just actually try to be productive instead of chronically on ATRL engaging in debates On 6/26/2024 at 10:20 AM, iHype. said: All you're pointing out is Kesha claiming she heard the rumor from another source, not that she didn't also say it out of her mouth herself (which she did). Addiotionally Kesha and her lawyers doubled down on the rumor after Katy herself denied it. They refused to listen to the woman involved and that they were accusing of being a victim of sexual assault. On 6/26/2024 at 10:29 AM, iHype. said: Kesha told Gaga in a text message that Katy was raped, factual. The texts were shown in court, factual. And yes, Kesha's lawyers dismissed Katy denying she was raped by staying her denial isn't proof it didn't occur. Denying Katy's words but also wanting her to stand 100% behind your story is ridiculous On 6/26/2024 at 10:53 AM, iHype. said: John Janick denied he told them Katy was raped in his deposition, so the claimed source of the rumor is contradicting that he ever told Kesha that. Kesha's lawyers stated Katy's denial isn't proof that rape didn't happen to her. This actually happened. They didn't take her story as 100% fully credible, and they didn't "believe women's stories" in her instance. But also Katy is expected to stand fully behind Kesha in return. On 6/26/2024 at 11:00 AM, iHype. said: Even Gaga in her deposition admitted she didn't properly recall whether he phrased it as knowing she was raped or that he even brought up rape in particular. There is no mental gymnastics. I can again post proof Kesha's team denied Katy's claims she wasn't raped as proof she wasn't. On 6/26/2024 at 11:54 AM, iHype. said: It does materially change the situation when you claim someone told you and a friend Katy was raped, that person denies it, and the friend is now being vague in recalling and doesn't have proper recollection of the details in which they were told. I haven't defended Dr. Luke at any point. You are engaging in a conversation which you can't even properly comprehend? Do you have no shame? Stick to discussing Gaga's upcoming prescription medicine commercials. On 6/26/2024 at 10:05 AM, iHype. said: What was "debunked"? Kesha factually told other industry peers Katy was raped, it was proven in court and she lost a defamation case behind it. On 6/26/2024 at 2:23 AM, iHype. said: Can someone explain why Katy is owed to be an ally to Kesha when people seem to be forgetting Kesha went around telling industry peers that Katy was also raped by him which was a false lie? Katy's in a unique standing in the situation. Imagine someone lied about you being raped and then you are being gaslit to stand behind their other accusations or you're the bad person? Katy did the most objective thing she could do which was just not take any side while the case was happening and let that play out. Luke's accusations were dismissed and Kesha lied on Katy, so logically why is she still expected to permanently drop Luke and stand with Kesha? It's pretty odd she's put in a position where she has to side with someone who went around telling very extreme lies regarding her. ? 7
Aethereal Posted June 27 Posted June 27 Those conversations just prove why Katy should not work with Dr Luke.
iHype. Posted June 27 Posted June 27 28 minutes ago, Communion said: ? Kesha repeated in afterwards discussion "he raped her too", then later cited a source who 1. Denied ever saying it along with 2. Gaga saying it sounded like a random hearsay rumor that she herself didn't believe he actually knew the truth behind. Kesha in her deposition said he stated it as a fact (all other parties denied this) and still alluded that she believed it to be true after Katy denied it. She was purposely taking something that even Gaga thought was not reliable and repeating it as a fact. Even AFTER Katy denied it she still continued to refuse to admit it was bullshit allegation and further stood on it. At that point you are hoping false rumors regarding Katy being assaulted stick for the sake of your personal gain in your own case. 1
TomTom Posted June 27 Posted June 27 1 hour ago, iHype. said: No, I just actually try to be productive instead of chronically on ATRL engaging in debates like you That reply didn't really negate my point that EVERY person involved in the Katy rape rumor has a different story. The record label employee said in his disposition he never said it, Kesha said in her disposition he stated it as a fact, and Gaga said in her disposition he stated it as a hearsay rumor. When every single party involved in the rumor has a conflicting story then it's clear that shouldn't have been repeated outside of the original discussion and it was likely misconstrued in the following texts recapping it. Kesha and her lawyers also doubled down on saying Katy was possibly raped after she denied it saying her denial doesn't mean it can't have happened. They ignored her testimony and chose not to fully believe her, yet expect Katy to fully believe her and stand as a complete ally. Its contradictory and the proper thing to do would've been retracting any prior discussion on Katy being sexually assaulted and issuing an apology to her upon hearing she completely denied it. Summary of your "productive" input so far: You falsely claimed Kesha told "industry peers" that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry, despite the only "industry peer" being Lady Gaga who was already familiar with said story You falsely claimed Kesha lost a defamation case You falsely claimed Kesha "doubled down" on something she never claimed to have known for a fact to begin with You falsely claimed Lady Gaga was not sure about John Janick mentioning the word "rape", despite her deposition literally including the sentence "He said something like: 'I heard he raped Katy Perry too'" Give it up already. 2 1 5
gettsleazy Posted June 27 Posted June 27 6 minutes ago, TomTom said: Summary of your "productive" input so far: You falsely claimed Kesha told "industry peers" that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry, despite the only "industry peer" being Lady Gaga who was already familiar with said story You falsely claimed Kesha lost a defamation case You falsely claimed Kesha "doubled down" on something she never claimed to have known for a fact to begin with You falsely claimed Lady Gaga was not sure about John Janick mentioning the word "rape", despite her deposition literally including the sentence "He said something like: 'I heard he raped Katy Perry too'" Give it up already. Oop 1
iHype. Posted June 27 Posted June 27 40 minutes ago, TomTom said: You falsely claimed Kesha told "industry peers" that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry, despite the only "industry peer" being Lady Gaga who was already familiar with said story ....So you're confirming she did 40 minutes ago, TomTom said: You falsely claimed Kesha "doubled down" on something she never claimed to have known for a fact to begin with Yes, when you say someone was raped, they deny it, then your response is "well her denial doesn't mean it didn't happen" you are indeed doubling down on believing a rumor of her being raped. 40 minutes ago, TomTom said: You falsely claimed Lady Gaga was not sure about John Janick mentioning the word "rape", despite her deposition literally including the sentence "He said something like: 'I heard he raped Katy Perry too'" Because Gaga herself said "it was like he said" meaning the possibility that he did not say the word rape, but expressed something vague that could be posssibly (mis)interpreted as that. An example would be "I heard he did something to Katy too". In the screenshot you posted she again doubled down on saying "something like" meaning that rape may have not been the exact word used along with the entire sentence she said in general not being exact wording. 1
TomTom Posted June 27 Posted June 27 (edited) 47 minutes ago, iHype. said: Yes, when you say someone was raped, they deny it, then your response is "well her denial doesn't mean it didn't happen" you are indeed doubling down on believing a rumor of her being raped. Why do you keep omitting the fact that this statement was preceded by the statement that "Kesha cannot concede a fact for which she lacks personal knowledge"? She logically can not have "doubled down" on anything because she never claimed that she personally knows for a fact that Katy was raped. When you are a party in a lawsuit, you will not concede any facts - regardless of true or false - for which you lack personal knowledge. Katy confirming or denying something does not make Kesha gain personal knowledge of the situation, just like Katy had no personal knowledge of whether Dr. Luke raped Kesha and testified accordingly. If Kesha had been fully convinced that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry, she could have tried to use this information for her own benefit to bolster her own credibility. However, she did not even attempt to use this information in any way as part of the lawsuit, but rather had to defend herself against the accusation of intentionally spreading a lie. 47 minutes ago, iHype. said: Because Gaga herself said "it was like he said" meaning the possibility that he did not say the word rape, but expressed something similar that could be concluded as that. An example would be "I heard he did something to Katy too". In the screenshot you posted she again doubled down on saying "something like" meaning that rape may have not been the exact word used along with the entire sentence she said in general not being exact wording. How does that make any difference whatsoever when both Kesha and Lady Gaga understood John Janick as expressing the idea that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry, regardless of what words exactly he used? Your semantics game really does not take anything away from the basic fact that both Kesha and Lady Gaga understood John Janick to be expressing the idea that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry. It is also futile to argue about this when neither Kesha nor Lady Gaga remembered the exact words he used, therefore what matters is the gist. 47 minutes ago, iHype. said: ....So you're confirming she did No? One person ≠ industry peers. Edited June 27 by TomTom 2 1
iHype. Posted June 27 Posted June 27 8 minutes ago, TomTom said: Why do you keep omitting the fact that this statement was preceded by the statement that "Kesha cannot concede a fact for which she lacks personal knowledge"? She logically can not have "doubled down" on anything because she never claimed that she personally knows for a fact that Katy was raped. Saying "denial isn't evidence it did not occur" is quite literally a counter argument to Katy denying. You would only say that with purpose to counterclaim her statement. 8 minutes ago, TomTom said: How does that make any difference whatsoever when both Kesha and Lady Gaga understood John Janick as expressing the idea that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry, regardless of what words exactly he used? You: You claimed she wasn't sure of the word "rape" being used! Now you're being silent and won't respond back. *proceeds to prove she was not sure of the word rape being used* You: Why does it matter whether the word 'rape' was used? 8 minutes ago, TomTom said: No? One person ≠ industry peers. Critiquing someone for 'semantics games' then following up with this in the very next paragraph is sending me. 1
$ebert Posted June 27 Posted June 27 I love seeing @TomTom clocking r*pe apologists. They're trying so hard to justify her actions, it's humiliating. Anyways, Katy knew what was coming working with him, she didn't care, why do her fans care to justify it? I don't get it, just take it and move on. You'll be supporting a r*pists and I hope your mind is ok with that. 9
TomTom Posted June 27 Posted June 27 7 minutes ago, iHype. said: Saying "denial isn't evidence it did not occur" is quite literally a counter argument to Katy denying. You would only say that with purpose to counterclaim her statement. You: You claimed she wasn't sure of the word "rape" being used! Now you're being silent and won't respond back. *proceeds to prove she was not sure of the word rape being used* You: Why does it matter whether the word 'rape' was used? Critiquing someone for 'semantics games' then following up with this in the very next paragraph is sending me. We're going in circles because you refuse to answer any arguments and just keep deflecting with the same talking points over and over again, so I'm gonna stop now. Bye! 3
iHype. Posted June 27 Posted June 27 5 minutes ago, TomTom said: We're going in circles because you refuse to answer any arguments and just keep deflecting with the same talking points over and over again, so I'm gonna stop now. Bye! You're just deflecting, but bye. You chose to specifically focus on me claiming Gaga wasn't sure if the word 'rape' was used, then even gagged with other users saying you clocked me, @'ing my name baiting me to reply back and laughing that I had no response. I just gave you a response you were looking for -- proving that Gaga was indeed not sure of the word being used, and now we're talking in circles and you're done. You've ended with completely backtracking that it doesn't matter if the word 'rape' was used. 6
diemoehre Posted June 27 Posted June 27 On 6/26/2024 at 10:39 AM, KillingYourCareer said: It's your choice to believe the anonymous DailyMail source! Katy surely lacks the motivation and inspiration she once had, but at the same time, if she wanted a paycheck she wouldn't be doing music. She'd do something more profitable! Why is she working with him then? I can't think of a single reason that would make her look better.
NEUTRON Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 hour ago, diemoehre said: Why is she working with him then? I can't think of a single reason that would make her look better. Friends stick together.
Ethereaaal Posted June 28 Posted June 28 (edited) On 6/27/2024 at 1:43 AM, applestar said: Yeah the untalented guy who won a grammy for KMM I was referring to you and Ms Perry who has zero Grammys to her name. But go off praising Dr. Rape Edited June 28 by Ethereaaal 1
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