celeb news Rosalía shades Karol G

[Namie-Knowles]

12 hours ago, CocoPouf said:

And you have a delulu ***** in this very thread claiming Cataluña is a colonial territory of Spain because "they want to be free". And you have +10 ******* voting positive that comment lol. 

That's what made me laugh. They were a slave owning territory that abused, r-worded, traded, killed, tortured, etc almost 1 million African people cause the color of their skin to boost their own economy and feel superior. But somehow they aren't a colonial power? People are so... lmao. Anyone who gave that **** +1 just slow. Europeans be doing anything and everything to not acknowledge their participation and/or economic benefit from Chattel Slavery and the colonisation of Africa. 

Edited June 26 by Namie-Knowles

[Thesedays]

On 6/25/2024 at 4:03 PM, shakeyourbombom said:

A fact

Rosalia has a diamond certification in Brazil while Karol G is hungry and failed to break into a non-Spanish Latin market.

 

Karol G's recent Brazilian show flopped.

And Karol G fans should stop lifting up their fave to Shakira's level because it's nowhere close. I didn't and will probably never see a non-latino or Spaniard Karol G fan in my life.

I mean, it sold 9k tickets, and tickets were hella expensive. Considering she doesn't even have a top-50 hit here, that's far from a flop. But yeah, Rosalia is definitely closer to being a household name in Brazil than Karol for now.

 

It's because mainstream Latino music in Brazil isn't really a genre people care about. You need something more to make it here. Despacito only became a hit here after the Justin Bieber version. RBD only became huge here because of the TV show. It's CONSIDERABLY more difficult to break Brazil as a Spanish-speaking act than breaking the US. For her to happen in Brazil, Shakira had to become fluent in Portuguese and worked her ass off doing every TV show you could imagine (back in 1997, when TV mattered).

 

So, the fact that Rosalia happened in Brazil is a testament that she indeed has something special in her. Unlike Shakira, she didn't even really go out of her way to have hits here and yet, she's doing better than most.

 

But Karol will eventually happen in Brazil because she's more than willing to do the work. She brought her whole ass stadium production here, even though she'd lose money by doing that (even if tickets sold out, she'd lose money because she was doing a stadium show in an arena-sized open-air venue) because she's hungry for success here. 

[Thesedays]

On 6/25/2024 at 2:07 AM, Trainwreck said:

She hasn't been relevant in México since Despecha, meanwhile Karol's been EVERYWHERE and had multiple hits including her collab with Shakira

Girl, Rosalia did a massive concert in Mexico City, and her Rauw Alejandro song was a top 15 hit lol. She's doing fine in Mexico lbr. Obviously, Karol, who does mainstream music catered to the masses, is probably more popular, but that doesn't negate Rosalia's success in the market.

[Katamari]

not me seeing a news ticker about it on telemundo news

 

is this really a big story

[CocoPouf]

I didn't know Con Altura, Despechá, and basically, all of Rosalia's most-played songs are not "mainstream". The ***** keeps trying to be as big as Karol G. 

And lol at the other delulu ***** thinking Rosalia is bigger than Karol G because she "has not a hit in Brazil". Nobody cares. 

I already said this, but seems people need to be reminded: 

Rosalia's entire Motomami tour made the same money Karol G did in ONE CITY: LA. 

[CocoPouf]

20 hours ago, Namie-Knowles said:

That's what made me laugh. They were a slave owning territory that abused, r-worded, traded, killed, tortured, etc almost 1 million African people cause the color of their skin to boost their own economy and feel superior. But somehow they aren't a colonial power? People are so... lmao. Anyone who gave that **** +1 just slow. Europeans be doing anything and everything to not acknowledge their participation and/or economic benefit from Chattel Slavery and the colonisation of Africa. 

You have Catalonian colonial pride since like the XIX century, they even claim Cristobal Colon was from there. But now, in the XXI century, they are all "we are subjects of Imperial Spain". Give me a break. 

[Bhabylon]

Karol's music is more commercial than Rosalia's, of course she's going to draw a bigger crowd. She has broader appeal... that's how it works.

That's like comparing a Taylor Swift concert to a Charli XCX concert.

[ChooseyLover]

8 hours ago, CocoPouf said:

I didn't know Con Altura, Despechá, and basically, all of Rosalia's most-played songs are not "mainstream". The ***** keeps trying to be as big as Karol G. 

And lol at the other delulu ***** thinking Rosalia is bigger than Karol G because she "has not a hit in Brazil". Nobody cares. 

I already said this, but seems people need to be reminded: 

Rosalia's entire Motomami tour made the same money Karol G did in ONE CITY: LA. 

People keep trying to make us believe Rosalía is this amazing legendary singer but she just has a very specific cult following and she's not commercially successful by any means. It just became cool to like her because a bunch of American celebrities praised her years ago. It's really annoying.

[VerdantHue]

On 6/23/2024 at 4:58 PM, Goddxss said:

why is she complaining when she stole arca's aesthetic and sound for motomami? 

Motomami sounds nothing like Arca

[AvadaKedavra]

The rosario and bicho fans are destroying each other on twitter. Its so funny all the skeletons in the closet from both are coming out

Its time for the real goddess to come out and stomp all over the "problematic new stars" with an expanded edition of Las Mujeres Ya No LLoran

 

Edited June 27 by AvadaKedavra

[AlleeX]

On 6/26/2024 at 9:31 AM, Namie-Knowles said:

That's what made me laugh. They were a slave owning territory that abused, r-worded, traded, killed, tortured, etc almost 1 million African people cause the color of their skin to boost their own economy and feel superior. But somehow they aren't a colonial power? People are so... lmao. Anyone who gave that **** +1 just slow. Europeans be doing anything and everything to not acknowledge their participation and/or economic benefit from Chattel Slavery and the colonisation of Africa. 

This is beyond dangerous, in general I think calling people from Spain colonizers is similar to calling any German a N*zi. It's crazy to me that people on this forum, who should be, and for the most part are, smart and liberal fall into these traps so easily.

That being said, I can't believe are still using the "she hasn't invented the genre". Well, who the HELL claims that she did? It's about the way the song is structured, the outro, the timing/way in it was dropped (a post album summer single), which would all be debatable if the overall context wasn't so clear - anything that Rosalia does, Karol G and her team copy. And it's laughable at this point. The difference between a bigger mainstream artist (without any charisma and songwriting skills) being a playground for the producers/A&Rs/stylists to emulate what has worked for a big, but still smaller, authentic artist is disgusting enough, if it weren't hidden between this dangerous "colonizadora" narrative that Karol G and her team abuse. Basically, they can copy as much as they want, because her Latina blood gives her an excuse to get away with an artistic rip off, knowing she will always be more succesful than Rosalia.

Yes, Rosalia was obviously hugely influenced by Arca and some other underground Latin/Spanish acts, but what distinguishes her from Karol G is that she:

1. worked with most of these people and has openly supported them countless times
2. took some elements of it and made it her own/and made a spin on it - which is completely normal in art

What Karol and her team are doing is much much worse, and ultimately, benefits no one apart from herself and her PG-friendly version (for Latin standards) of what Rosalia and others do. She has some good songs, but please people, let's be real. ATP I can't believe that this is even a conversation that we're having, yet, it looks just as hopeless.

Let's see who gets remembered in the music history books though.

[AlleeX]

On 6/27/2024 at 1:48 PM, ChooseyLover said:

People keep trying to make us believe Rosalía is this amazing legendary singer but she just has a very specific cult following and she's not commercially successful by any means. It just became cool to like her because a bunch of American celebrities praised her years ago. It's really annoying.

Success =/= quality which is what a lot of y'all can't grasp. Legendary singers/songwriters have usually not been the most commercially successful. You don't have to go far back in history to see. Where was Amy Winehouse on the charts in the 00s? Are Lana Del Rey/Lorde/Charli XCX to name a few, these crazy chart powerhouses, no. Look at Janis Joplin, Stevie Nicks, Bjork..

Further, she can't be a legendary singer in less than 10 years into her career, but what she is, is one of the most-acclaimed acts currently recording music in THE WORLD. Not by some random critics, but with absolute universal agreement.

Will she ever be able to be as succesful as Karol G, no. And she isn't planning to be, as her albums, whatever she pushes as these commercial non-album singles/collabs, will always be coherent bodies of work, which will never ever be able to top stuff that Bad Bunny or Karol G do with their playlist-like albums full of songs and collabs that are made to last for a season or two.

And even with all of that said, Rosalia still has 25m monthly listeners without a release in more than a year, and without an album in 2+ years. So, sorry to burst your bubble, but you better wake up, as you're gonna be pretty disappointed in the years to come.

[ChooseyLover]

5 minutes ago, AlleeX said:

Success =/= quality which is what a lot of y'all can't grasp. Legendary singers/songwriters have usually not been the most commercially successful. You don't have to go far back in history to see. Where was Amy Winehouse on the charts in the 00s? Are Lana Del Rey/Lorde/Charli XCX to name a few, these crazy chart powerhouses, no. Look at Janis Joplin, Stevie Nicks, Bjork..

Further, she can't be a legendary singer in less than 10 years into her career, but what she is, is one of the most-acclaimed acts currently recording music in THE WORLD. Not by some random critics, but with absolute universal agreement.

Will she ever be able to be as succesful as Karol G, no. And she isn't planning to be, as her albums, whatever she pushes as these commercial non-album singles/collabs, will always be coherent bodies of work, which will never ever be able to top stuff that Bad Bunny or Karol G do with their playlist-like albums full of songs and collabs that are made to last for a season or two.

And even with all of that said, Rosalia still has 25m monthly listeners without a release in more than a year, and without an album in 2+ years. So, sorry to burst your bubble, but you better wake up, as you're gonna be pretty disappointed in the years to come.

I know there are many ways to be successful as a musician and she definitely found her own and I love that for her. I'm also aware she's ridiculously acclaimed. I'm from where she is and I know people irl that know her and love her. Still I'm not sold on the phenomenon and I don't see the excellence. And I think her path to that recognition was very fabricated and she had connections and is privileged, which doesn't take away from her talent.

[AlleeX]

2 minutes ago, ChooseyLover said:

I know there are many ways to be successful as a musician and she definitely found her own and I love that for her. I'm also aware she's ridiculously acclaimed. I'm from where she is and I know people irl that know her and love her. Still I'm not sold on the phenomenon and I don't see the excellence. And I think her path to that recognition was very fabricated and she had connections and is privileged, which doesn't take away from her talent.

Well, honestly, I'd love to hear who you consider as excellent and why, cause, taste can vary, but the way she and her team approach songwriting, production, the way she creates a narrative and genre-bends with every song she does is absolutely insane, and everyone is following the lead. Not to mention her singing which is almost overlooked with so many other things in the equation. The way she managed to resonate with people outside of Catalunya/Spain. I'm talking about some other parts of Europe, where I'm from, where people who nothing about music critics or Kardashians react to her music with genuine awe.

I also agree partly, but what I think is that what was actually fabricated was, in fact, her mainstream success, and not her recognition or acclaim. The Kardashian proximity and praise from that circle of people is something I like the least about her - it's not like she denounce them, but hanging out with privileged, untalented billionaires who are part of some of the biggest problems our today's world has (like Kylie Jenner) is imo really something a true artist shouldn't do. Basically, these connections served her to go as mainstream as she can, for every other instagram influencer to hop on the train and "appreciate the art" without knowing nothing about her art. Without them, she'd be far less popular, and wouldn't get the promo and resources to be what she is today, but she'd undoubtedly still make amazing music.

[ChooseyLover]

1 minute ago, AlleeX said:

Well, honestly, I'd love to hear who you consider as excellent and why, cause, taste can vary, but the way she and her team approach songwriting, production, the way she creates a narrative and genre-bends with every song she does is absolutely insane, and everyone is following the lead. Not to mention her singing which is almost overlooked with so many other things in the equation. The way she managed to resonate with people outside of Catalunya/Spain. I'm talking about some other parts of Europe, where I'm from, where people who nothing about music critics or Kardashians react to her music with genuine awe.

I also agree partly, but what I think is that what was actually fabricated was, in fact, her mainstream success, and not her recognition or acclaim. The Kardashian proximity and praise from that circle of people is something I like the least about her - it's not like she denounce them, but hanging out with privileged, untalented billionaires who are part of some of the biggest problems our today's world has (like Kylie Jenner) is imo really something a true artist shouldn't do. Basically, these connections served her to go as mainstream as she can, for every other instagram influencer to hop on the train and "appreciate the art" without knowing nothing about her art. Without them, she'd be far less popular, and wouldn't get the promo and resources to be what she is today, but she'd undoubtedly still make amazing music.

You made great points and I can't disagree with them. I'm also aware she came a long way and she perfected her craft and became a decent vocalist (she wasn't always one) and she's musically talented, like she's cultured, she understands music.

I guess my animosity towards her comes from those ties with the celebrities you mentioned and the fact her kind of music is not what I'm usually into. And I genuinely believe the most well known singles she's put out are bad lyrically and are unworthy of acclaim (just my pov), I guess the greatness tends to be somewhere else in her projects.

[AlleeX]

1 minute ago, ChooseyLover said:

You made great points and I can't disagree with them. I'm also aware she came a long way and she perfected her craft and became a decent vocalist (she wasn't always one) and she's musically talented, like she's cultured, she understands music.

I guess my animosity towards her comes from those ties with the celebrities you mentioned and the fact her kind of music is not what I'm usually into. And I genuinely believe the most well known singles she's put out are bad lyrically and are unworthy of acclaim (just my pov), I guess the greatness tends to be somewhere else in her projects.

Yeah, I guess it's a road that every non-american up and coming star has to take, like a devil's rite of passage to Hollywood 

And I agree that lyrics are probably the place where she has the least of that "special & unique", especially on the most commercial singles of hers.

[Namie-Knowles]

8 hours ago, AlleeX said:

This is beyond dangerous, in general I think calling people from Spain colonizers is similar to calling any German a N*zi. It's crazy to me that people on this forum, who should be, and for the most part are, smart and liberal fall into these traps so easily.
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The way this is the biggest problem for y'all in modern day sends. Lord, I wish it was this easy for everyone else that got clapped by Spain. 

[AlleeX]

7 hours ago, Namie-Knowles said:

The way this is the biggest problem for y'all in modern day sends. Lord, I wish it was this easy for everyone else that got clapped by Spain. 

Well, we're living in the present, and not 700 years ago. This by no means implies that crimes and genocides don't exist, it's just absolutely ludicrous to blame individuals (musicians!) and call them names based on historical conquests and conflicts. It's terribly irresponsible, makes no sense, and if we go back 700 years in the past, who knows where we all are from looking at our lineages. I mean, come on.

It's another thing confronting politicians and their agendas, and when they are reflecting the present times or their opinions on past events, but this just does no good.

[Namie-Knowles]

1 minute ago, AlleeX said:

Well, we're living in the present, and not 700 years ago.

And you don't have the historical facts nor do you have the range for this conversation with this sentence alone. Thank you for saying what I needed you to say to justify not engaging.
 

Edited June 30 by Namie-Knowles

[AlleeX]

1 minute ago, Namie-Knowles said:

And you don't have the historical facts nor do you have the range for this conversation with this sentence alone. Thank you for saying what I needed you to say to justify not engaging.
 

World War II happened 80 years ago and yet, everything I said (with giving the example) can be applied just the same. But ok, if I don't have the range, you will more than easily prove your point about how we should blame individuals for the acts of the countries (in the past) that they were born in. It all boils down to that, and it's honestly scary that people like you are enjoying the witch hunt. 

[Namie-Knowles]

Just now, AlleeX said:

 

Too long didn't read STREAM

 

[AlleeX]

8 minutes ago, Namie-Knowles said:

Too long didn't read STREAM

 

So much for the range to have a conversation. Enjoy  

[Namie-Knowles]

1 minute ago, AlleeX said:

 

Too long didn't read STREAM

 

[liquiddiamonds]

1 hour ago, Namie-Knowles said:

Too long didn't read STREAM

 

Girl, not y'all goin in on Rosalia for cultural appropriation to then post k-pop i swear lol

 

[Namie-Knowles]

34 minutes ago, liquiddiamonds said:

Girl, not y'all goin in on Rosalia for cultural appropriation to then post k-pop i swear lol

 

OH MY GOD YOU GOT ME. I CAN'T STOP ME CULUTRAL APPROPRIATED SO HARD. OMG