Tistotal Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, TomTom said: Well, there's your next flaw because Kesha and Gaga have not "spread" anything. This is precisely what you are doing by blaming Kesha for Dr. Luke making those messages public That's why I said Luke (who spread those messages), Gaga and Kesha (both who emited them) . I'm pretty sure you got it. 4
Phaunzie Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, Reginald said: That's not what was said, though. "Was crying a lot today and needed my mom. I'm really upset with Katy Perry," Kesha told Gaga in the February 26, 2016 exchange, as revealed by Radar Online. "[Katy] could bring the whole thing to a head … She was raped by the same man. She is probably really afraid to lose everything." "U are really strong standing up to him, she's not as strong as u yet," Gaga replied. "Have you talked to her? "[You're] right," Kesha said. "I need to find sympathy and empathy for her. She's so mean. It's hard." "Do you want me to see if I can talk to her?" Gaga said. "I know she's mean." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/lady-gaga-called-katy-perry-mean-in-text-messages-to-kesha/GEXK7FUK7KFII6DUWTCJ5H7QOQ/ Sis, she was raped by the same man, literally means she was raped too. It's kind of funny, you want to use this to paint Katy negative light when all it does is show that Kesha and Gaga like to secretly make false accusations about other popstars. Like, if my colleagues were to privately spread misinformation about me, I would not want to be associated with them. Plus, this is small part of the conservation, who knows what else they were saying about Katy. Edited June 20 by Phaunzie 1 6
Phaunzie Posted June 20 Posted June 20 @TomTom what was wrong with what I typed. Instead of mass disliking, actually present why we are wrong in illustrating that Kesha's words basically imply that Katy Perry was allegedly raped by Dr. Luke. 1
ChooseyLover Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) Katy cats derailing the whole thread and focusing on an IRRELEVANT rumor that would've NEVER been made public if it wasn't for DR. LUKE, just to avoid the elephant in the room, aka Katy being a terrible human being and proving it time and time again. Edited June 20 by ChooseyLover 7 3
TomTom Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: @TomTom what was wrong with what I typed. Instead of mass disliking, actually present why we are wrong in illustrating that Kesha's words basically imply that Katy Perry was allegedly raped by Dr. Luke. What wasn't wrong? 1) "make false accusations" —> they referenced a story that they both heard from a third party which they believed to be true 2) "about other popstars" —> where did anyone "accuse" Katy of being a victim, they simply believed she was one 3) "privately spread" —> that's literally a contradiction in itself, they didn't "spread" anything at all precisely because nobody else knew of this story besides Kesha and Lady Gaga until Dr. Luke decided to make it public Edited June 20 by TomTom 7
Phaunzie Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 30 minutes ago, TomTom said: What wasn't wrong? 1) "make false accusations" —> they referenced a story that they both heard from a third party which they believed to be true 2) "about other popstars" —> where did anyone "accuse" Katy of being a victim, they simply believed she was one 3) "privately spread" —> that's literally a contradiction in itself, they didn't "spread" anything at all precisely because nobody else knew of this story besides Kesha and Lady Gaga until Dr. Luke decided to make it public Actually, they did privately spread misinformation, if you knew about an alleged rape of someone and don't ask to get it clarified by the same people allegedly raped. Then go and conversate with someone else and bring it up as though it happened. That is privately spreading false or unfounded accusations. You knows who else Kesha and Gaga told that rumor to. Like, instead of saying "She was raped by the same man, it was sick", she could have said, "I heard from someone that Katy was allegedly raped by the same man". If she had used allegedly, Dr. Luke would not have any ammunition against her. Also, nothing in those messages read as she got them from katy herself, as she bypassed question when Gaga asked, "Have you talked to her". So why would she phrase as though there was confirmation that it happened. It is why she got hit with a defamation suit. And sis, if you want the meaning of accuse and accusation, you can look it up. Plus, Gaga was also in the crossfire when her mother and lawyer started publicly insinuating that Gaga was sexually assaulted by Dr. Luke. https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/dr-luke-sues-kesha-lawyer-mark-geragos-lady-gaga-6386004/ Edited June 20 by Phaunzie 4 3
TomTom Posted June 20 Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: Then go and conversate with someone else and bring it up as though it happened. Lady Gaga testified that John Janick told both her and Kesha that Luke raped Katy…Kesha mentioned this story because Lady Gaga was already familiar with it. That's precisely why she worded it that way. You can not "spread" something to a person who already knows what you are talking about. 5 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: Like, instead of saying "She was raped by the same man, it was sick", she could have said, "I heard from someone that Katy was allegedly raped by the same man". If she had used allegedly, Dr. Luke would not have any ammunition against her. And she did not do that because Kesha already knew that Lady Gaga also believed this to be true because Lady Gaga was next to her when they have been told this story. 7 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: So why would she phrase as though there was confirmation that it happened. Because they were simply under the assumption that John Janick told them a true story. Case closed. 8 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: It is why she got hit with a defamation suit. A defamation lawsuit without defamation because Kesha has not been convicted of any defamation since Dr. Luke has not proven malice and would have failed to do so if he had not settled his case before the jury trial. 6 1
OrgVisual Posted June 20 Posted June 20 17 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: Actually, they did privately spread misinformation, if you knew about an alleged rape of someone and don't ask to get it clarified by the same people allegedly raped. Then go and conversate with someone else and bring it up as though it happened. That is privately spreading false or unfounded accusations. You knows who else Kesha and Gaga told that rumor to. Like, instead of saying "She was raped by the same man, it was sick", she could have said, "I heard from someone that Katy was allegedly raped by the same man". If she had used allegedly, Dr. Luke would not have any ammunition against her. Also, nothing in those messages read as she got them from katy herself, as she bypassed question when Gaga asked, "Have you talked to her". So why would she phrase as though there was confirmation that it happened. It is why she got hit with a defamation suit. And sis, if you want the meaning of accuse and accusation, you can look it up. Plus, Gaga was also in the crossfire when her mother and lawyer started publicly insinuating that Gaga was sexually assaulted by Dr. Luke. https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/dr-luke-sues-kesha-lawyer-mark-geragos-lady-gaga-6386004/ She was so mean because she didn't want to come forward Who the **** would said that about an allegedly rape victim? 4 1 2
eleganceislearned Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Why are people being dumb? Though, I guess I know why. Gaga and Kesha were told about that rumor by people they trusted, nothing bad was said, the worst was Kesha saying she was mean. Taylor and Ryn Weaver have said she was mean too, where there's smoke. 1
Phaunzie Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, TomTom said: Lady Gaga testified that John Janick told both her and Kesha that Luke raped Katy…Kesha mentioned this story because Lady Gaga was already familiar with it. That's precisely why she worded it that way. You can not "spread" something to a person who already knows what you are talking about. And she did not do that because Kesha already knew that Lady Gaga also believed this to be true because Lady Gaga was next to her when they have been told this story. Because they were simply under the assumption that John Janick told them a true story. Case closed. A defamation lawsuit without defamation because Kesha has not been convicted of any defamation since Dr. Luke has not proven malice and would have failed to do so if he had not settled his case before the jury trial. Still doesn't make it right that she was gossiping with Gaga about something she never asked Katy to clarify about. The way y'all be acting like these three (Katy, Gaga & Kesha) were friends, but not once Kesha and Gaga think let me ask Katy about this rumor. Despite Katy being mean, Kesha should have still asked Katy whether this rumor going around was true. If she said no, then she wasn't, therefore this rumor would not have come up in the messages. Like, at least Katy would not have been blindsided with her industry colleagues circulating a rumor that she was allegedly raped by Dr. Luke. Like if this rumor was circulating, you would think Kesha would think this girl has been through the same thing as me, maybe I should reach out to hear her story. Instead, she got caught in messages being messy with Gaga. Calling Katy mean because she didn't want to come forward as a rape victim. Look, Katy has said she was never raped. If Kesha and Gaga would have asked her to clarify, we wouldn't be having this conversation. In conclusion, Kesha and Gaga were dead wrong for how they were talking about Katy, how they never thought to ask Katy if it were true and never thought to consider that the rumor was not true. Edited June 20 by Phaunzie 4 1
halcyonday Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: Still doesn't make it right that she was gossiping with Gaga about something she never asked Katy to clarify about. The way y'all be acting like these two were friends and not once Kesha and Gaga think let me ask Katy about this rumor. Despite Katy being mean, Kesha should have still asked Katy whether this rumor going around was true. If she said no, then she wasn't, therefore this rumor would not have come up in the messages. Like, at least Katy would not have been blindsided with her industry colleagues circulating a rumor that she was allegedly raped by Dr. Luke. Like if this rumor was circulating, you would think Kesha would think this girl has been through the same thing as me, maybe I should reach out to hear her story. Instead, she got caught in messages being messy with Gaga. Calling Katy mean because she didn't want to come forward as a rape victim. Look, Katy has said she was never raped. If Kesha and Gaga would have asked her to clarify, we wouldn't be having this conversation. In conclusion, Kesha and Gaga were dead wrong for how they were talking about Katy, how they never thought to ask Katy if it were true and never thought to consider that the rumor was not true. Right? Like miss TomTom is a smart person but they just can't accept that what these two did was wrong. It's probably the reason why KP doesn't care anymore. Edited June 20 by halcyonday 1 1 1
TomTom Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Phaunzie said: Still doesn't make it right that she was gossiping with Gaga about something she never asked Katy to clarify about. The way y'all be acting like these two were friends and not once Kesha and Gaga think let me ask Katy about this rumor. Despite Katy being mean, Kesha should have still asked Katy whether this rumor going around was true. If she said no, then she wasn't, therefore this rumor would not have come up in the messages. Like, at least Katy would not have been blindsided with her industry colleagues circulating a rumor that she was allegedly raped by Dr. Luke. Like if this rumor was circulating, you would think Kesha would think this girl has been through the same thing as me, maybe I should reach out to hear her story. Instead, she got caught in messages being messy with Gaga. Calling Katy mean because she didn't want to come forward as a rape victim. Look, Katy has said she was never raped. If Kesha and Gaga would have asked her to clarify, we wouldn't be having this conversation. In conclusion, Kesha and Gaga were dead wrong for how they were talking about Katy, how they never thought to ask Katy if it were true and never thought to consider that the rumor was not true. Why would they ask Katy for clarification for simply referencing a story amongst themselves? If Kesha had publicly said this somewhere or written it to a third person who was not familiar with this story (unlike Lady Gaga), then that would have made sense and would have been appropriate…but not under these circumstances. 1 minute ago, halcyonday said: but they just can't accept that what these two did was wrong. Because it wasn't. It would have been wrong to publicly make these statements or actually spread them (with people who have not heard that story before), but I don't see anything wrong under these particular circumstances. 3 1 1
Vespertine Posted June 20 Posted June 20 7 hours ago, ChooseyLover said: She's a bully. I'm surprised people haven't brought it up yet but during her debut era, she used Ur So Gay many times to call out the lead singer of Tokio Hotel, Bill Kaulitz. Mind you he was like 19 and in the closet and he hadn't figured out his sexuality. She was so mad because Tokio Hotel won a VMA Award over her. I tried to give her a pass many times but she's an all around terrible person. The entirety of Ur So Gay proves that Katy has always been an awful, miserable (also talentless but duh) person, point blank period. Imagine proudly making the first line of your debut single being "I hope you hang yourself" It's giving scum. 1
ChooseyLover Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Vespertine said: The entirety of Ur So Gay proves that Katy has always been an awful, miserable (also talentless but duh) person, point blank period. Imagine proudly making the first line of your debut single being "I hope you hang yourself" It's giving scum. I like when artists use sarcasm in their lyrics or exacerbate their feelings but weaponizing someone's sexuality to ridicule them... Gurl. I've noticed that she enjoys the drama, taking jabs at other peers and then act like she didn't do anything. Her energy is so off and the fact she feels comfortable teaming up with that man... that Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Avril, Gaga, Kesha... so many women have expressed how shady he is, says a lot about her. And even if he didn't r*pe Kesha, he abused her emotionally and verbally and there is proof of it. Birds of a feather flock together I guess. Edited June 20 by ChooseyLover 2 1 1
Phaunzie Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 22 minutes ago, TomTom said: Why would they ask Katy for clarification for simply referencing a story amongst themselves? If Kesha had publicly said this somewhere or written it to a third person who was not familiar with this story (unlike Lady Gaga), then that would have made sense and would have been appropriate…but not under these circumstances. Because it wasn't. It would have been wrong to publicly make these statements or actually spread them (with people who have not heard that story before), but I don't see anything wrong under these particular circumstances. So, you don't see a problem, in engaging with unfounded information of a colleague and not consulting them about it. So, to you, it makes sense they instantly believed the words of John and ran with it. Like, are they in high school? Why wouldn't Kesha and Gaga both SA survivors consider going to Katy with this info? If I were to hear a rumor about someone as serious as them being sexual assaulted, the last thing I am going to do is gossip with my friend about it. I would have a private convo with the alleged victim to make sure they know some rando is telling people that they were raped. If they say it not true, then the rumor is not true. It is not like Katy was complete out of reach, Gaga and Kesha were in the same circles as her. They could have easily asked for a private convo with her. No one is asking them to make a public statement. Edited June 20 by Phaunzie 1
TomTom Posted June 20 Posted June 20 12 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: So, to you, it makes sense they instantly believed the words of John and ran with it Yes, it makes sense to me that two pop stars would perceive a major label CEO to be a credible source. 13 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: Why wouldn't Kesha and Gaga both SA survivors consider going to Katy with this info? If I were to hear a rumor about someone as serious as them being sexual assaulted, the last thing I am going to do is gossip with my friend about it. I would have a private convo with the alleged victim to make sure they know some rando is telling people that they were raped. If they say it not true, then the rumor is not true. It is not like Katy was complete out of reach, Gaga and Kesha were in the same circles as her. They could have easily asked for a private convo with her. No one is asking them to make a public statement. Unless you are a sexual assault survivor yourself, I don't think it's right to speculate about how a sexual assault survivor is supposed to react in such a situation. 3 1
Phaunzie Posted June 20 Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, TomTom said: Yes, it makes sense to me that two pop stars would perceive a major label CEO to be a credible source. Unless you are a sexual assault survivor yourself, I don't think it's right to speculate about how a sexual assault survivor is supposed to react in such a situation. So, you are saying that it made more sense to gossip about it, than to make Katy aware of a salacious rumor being spread by a major label CEO. Interesting. 1 1
TomTom Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: So, you are saying that it made more sense to gossip about it, than to make Katy aware of a salacious rumor being spread by a major label CEO. Interesting. First, I don't think referencing a mutually familiar story that appears to be credible and is embedded in a serious context like Kesha's own lawsuit that she was stuck in at that time qualifies as "gossip". Even if it did, I don't see how you or anyone else is in a position to say that it would have been mandatory for Kesha and Gaga to confront Katy about it. There can be many reasons to believe that that may not have been a good idea at that point in time and - absent more context about the whole situation and it's aftermath beyond those few text messages - there is no real basis to judge Kesha's and Lady Gaga's peace of mind/their intentions with respect to this issue. Edited June 20 by TomTom 4
Yes, AND Posted June 20 Posted June 20 2 hours ago, TomTom said: What wasn't wrong? 1) "make false accusations" —> they referenced a story that they both heard from a third party which they believed to be true 2) "about other popstars" —> where did anyone "accuse" Katy of being a victim, they simply believed she was one 3) "privately spread" —> that's literally a contradiction in itself, they didn't "spread" anything at all precisely because nobody else knew of this story besides Kesha and Lady Gaga until Dr. Luke decided to make it public The mental gymnastics. Kesha CLEARLY stated that Katy had been raped by Luke. There was no ambiguity about what she said. 1 3
Yes, AND Posted June 20 Posted June 20 28 minutes ago, TomTom said: First, I don't think referencing a mutually familiar story that appears to be credible and is embedded in a serious context like Kesha's own lawsuit that she was stuck in at that time qualifies as "gossip". Even if it did, I don't see how you or anyone else is in a position to say that it would have been mandatory for Kesha and Gaga to confront Katy about it. There can be many reasons to believe that that may not have been a good idea at that point in time and - absent more context about the whole situation and it's aftermath beyond those few text messages - there is no real basis to judge Kesha's and Lady Gaga's peace of mind/their intentions with respect to this issue. Appears to be credible ? Where was her evidence that Katy had been raped ? 3
Yes, AND Posted June 20 Posted June 20 44 minutes ago, TomTom said: Yes, it makes sense to me that two pop stars would perceive a major label CEO to be a credible source. Unless you are a sexual assault survivor yourself, I don't think it's right to speculate about how a sexual assault survivor is supposed to react in such a situation. Yet this is EXACTLY what Kesha did to Katy. And called her mean in the process ! 1 3
Phaunzie Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, TomTom said: First, I don't think referencing a mutually familiar story that appears to be credible and is embedded in a serious context like Kesha's own lawsuit that she was stuck in at that time qualifies as "gossip". Even if it did, I don't see how you or anyone else is in a position to say that it would have been mandatory for Kesha and Gaga to confront Katy about it. There can be many reasons to believe that that may not have been a good idea at that point in time and - absent more context about the whole situation and it's aftermath beyond those few text message - there is no real basis to judge Kesha's and Lady Gaga's peace of mind/their intentions with respect to this issue. I didn't know to be credible all one needs is to be a higher up. I guess you really do appreciate power. So, there is nothing wrong with letting misinformation spread about someone because one doesn't have to talk about it. Like, we are talking about activist against bullying (2011) Lady Gaga here. How can a statement be credible if you don't ask questions to gather the validity of the statement. It is not guilty until proven innocent. At least Gaga apologized for her gossiping, where is Kesha's? Gaga clearly saw the error of her ways, why can't Kesha? Like do you think it's fun, finding out that people in your orbit of colleagues were messaging each other about lies said about you? It is not like Katy was told this in private, she was dragged to the court by Dr. Luke to ask this question. Put on the spot to answer whether he raped her or not, and when she said no, your fanbase was angry and bitter about it. For some reason, y'all have found every reason to drag her, despite her clearly moving on from the case.
John Slayne Posted June 20 Posted June 20 8 hours ago, Musicmajor said: How anyone has the time, mental space and energy to continue to talk about these people daily is insane to me. ma'am, you're on a gay pop music forum... 2
TomTom Posted June 20 Posted June 20 5 minutes ago, Yes, AND said: Kesha CLEARLY stated that Katy had been raped by Luke. There was no ambiguity about what she said. Where did I say that? I literally said that she worded it as a fact because she (and Lady Gaga) believed it happened. 5 minutes ago, Yes, AND said: Appears to be credible ? Where was her evidence that Katy had been raped ? Why do you need evidence to prove something you do not wish to make public or share with anyone else? She literally kept this to herself and Lady Gaga is technically not a "new" party. It's not like she was officially using this information as part of her own lawsuit or anything. 4 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: So, there is nothing wrong with letting misinformation spread about someone because one doesn't have to talk about it. Why is it Kesha's duty to intervene in such a scenario? You haven't presented any justification for that except: "I believe a sexual assault survivor should act that way because I think it's the right thing to do". 7 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: At least Gaga apologized for her gossiping, where is Kesha's? Why would she issue an "apology" for something she was defending herself against in court, everything she needed to say is in her deposition. 10 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: and when she said no, your fanbase was angry and bitter about it. Absolute nonsense . 3
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